130 replies to this topic

[Kaemon]

Wow -

http://techland.time...ine-in-protest/

$10 says it would backfire and they would say 'no group of intertube nerds is going to stop us from stopping evil pirates'.

I will still vote for the first electoral candidate (regardless of party) that runs on a 'throw the bums out' platform of torte reform and term limits (even if he makes us all wear tinfoil hats and walk to work every day).

[MuffinTop]

I wish I could do more than joining the Stop Sopa on facebook,and writng my Congressman.

[Stone Profit]

if youre not an American citizen, you dont get a vote. And what are you doing that youre worried about the government knowing about it? Everyone cries about how big brother is watching, but scream bloody murder when theres a terrorist attack that wasnt prevented. You cant have it both ways. Ive made my choice, im happy with security. If you dont like it feel free to not be here.

[Stahlseele]

Yeeaah . .
Oof Coouursee . .
You don't mind because you have nothing to hide . . *nods*
this is like smith and wesson suing millions of americans for using the guns they themselves made and sold to those people . .
get it through your head . . with the whole "oh noes terrorism!" thing and the corps trying SOPA, you are NOT innocent until proven guilty.
you are GUILTY until proven innocent.

[BlueDog]

SGT Unther, on 05 January 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Great video, I like that guy

I'd rather have liberty than "security". I and mine provide our own security through vigilance, common sense, and strength of arms, just like in the old days, rather than relying on an inadequate federal bureaucracy to provide it for us.

[Stahlseele]

Quote

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

Quote

• This was written by Franklin, within quotation marks but is generally accept as his original thought, sometime shortly before February 17, 1775 as part of his notes for a proposition at the Pennsylvania Assembly, as published in Memoirs of the life and writings of Benjamin Franklin (1818). A variant of this was published as:
  
  • Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
    
    • This was used as a motto on the title page of An Historical Review of the Constitution and Government of Pennsylvania. (1759); the book was published by Franklin; its author was Richard Jackson, but Franklin did claim responsibility for some small excerpts that were used in it.
• An earlier variant by Franklin in Poor Richard's Almanack (1738): "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power."
  
• Many paraphrased derivatives of this have often become attributed to Franklin:
  
  • They that can give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
    Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
    He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.
    He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
    People willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both.
    If we restrict liberty to attain security we will lose them both.
    Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both.
    He who gives up freedom for safety deserves neither.
    Those who would trade in their freedom for their protection deserve neither.
    Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.

[Tarvitz]

Kaemon, on 08 January 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

http://techland.time...ine-in-protest/

$10 says it would backfire and they would say 'no group of intertube nerds is going to stop us from stopping evil pirates'.

Considering the sheer lack of knowledge being shown by the people who are making this vote, that's an unfortunate possibility. They don't seem to have a single clue about how badly this would effect them nor realise this would do little to improve profit in the entertainment industry. One reporter who was at the SOPA hearing last month summed up this act well:
"If this were surgery, the patient would have run out screaming a long time ago. But this is like a group of well-intentioned amateurs getting together to perform heart surgery on a patient incapable of moving. "We hear from the motion picture industry that heart surgery is what's required," they say cheerily. "We're not going to cut the good valves, just the bad - neurons, or whatever you call those durn thingies.'
This is terrifying to watch. It would be amusing - there's nothing like people who did not grow up with the Internet attempting to ask questions about technology very slowly and stumbling over words like "server' and "service" when you want an easy laugh. Except that this time, the joke's on us."

[Kaemon]

Stone Profit, on 08 January 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

if youre not an American citizen, you dont get a vote. And what are you doing that youre worried about the government knowing about it? Everyone cries about how big brother is watching, but scream bloody murder when theres a terrorist attack that wasnt prevented. You cant have it both ways. Ive made my choice, im happy with security. If you dont like it feel free to not be here.

you'll probably want to take a look here, yours seems a bit overpowered.
http://www.trollingm...ting-guide.html

Edited by Kaemon, 08 January 2012 - 05:44 PM.

[BlueDog]

The most insane part of this, in my view, is that citizens of other countries could be extradited to the US to serve prison time for copyright infringement. I mean seriously, copyright infringement? That's like extraditing someone for petty theft, or a traffic violation.

[Stahlseele]

Yeeaah . . am not seeing that one going over remarkably well with either china, russia or korea , ,
All of which are, technically, the biggest offenders in terms of online "piracy"
And if any government of any western county decides to go along with that, the government won't be ALIVE to see that go through.

[BlueDog]

Hope the British govt has enough backbone to stand up and say "no" for once.

[Stahlseele]

Has Assange been handed over yet?

[Stone Profit]

stahlseele, on 08 January 2012 - 03:19 PM, said:

Yeeaah . .
Oof Coouursee . .
You don't mind because you have nothing to hide . . *nods*
this is like smith and wesson suing millions of americans for using the guns they themselves made and sold to those people . .
get it through your head . . with the whole "oh noes terrorism!" thing and the corps trying SOPA, you are NOT innocent until proven guilty.
you are GUILTY until proven innocent.

Thats right, I have nothing to hide. and dispite what you seem to believe, you ARE in fact innocent until proven guilty. you bring no evidence, and yet you say im wrong. Fearmonger much? go spam somewhere else troll lol

[MuffinTop]

Stone Profit, on 08 January 2012 - 02:17 PM, said:

if youre not an American citizen, you dont get a vote. And what are you doing that youre worried about the government knowing about it? Everyone cries about how big brother is watching, but scream bloody murder when theres a terrorist attack that wasnt prevented. You cant have it both ways. Ive made my choice, im happy with security. If you dont like it feel free to not be here.

Dear fellow American you need to read up on Benjamin Franklin, and also read up about etiquette here in the forums.
http://mwomercs.com/...ing-ettiquette/

Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither-
Benjamin Franklin ( US Founding Father,statesman,inventor,scientist,diplomat,postmaster, and all around lady's man,especially while in France)The same or a simiar quote has been credited to Thomas Jefferson

Edited by MuffinTop, 08 January 2012 - 08:17 PM.

[Cattra Kell]

/whistles while he posts

[Stone Profit]

Kaemon, on 08 January 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

you'll probably want to take a look here, yours seems a bit overpowered.
http://www.trollingm...ting-guide.html

That would be great, but Im expressing my opinion, not trolling. Perhaps you need to refer to your own link?

[Stone Profit]

MuffinTop, on 08 January 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Dear fellow American you need to read up on Benjamin Franklin, and also read up about etiquette here in the forums.
http://mwomercs.com/...ing-ettiquette/

Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither-
Benjamin Franklin ( US Founding Father,statesman,inventor,scientist,diplomat,postmaster, and all around lady's man,especially while in France)The same or a simiar quote has been credited to Thomas Jefferson

Despite what you seem to think, I am allowed to disagree with Mr Franklin, as this is America, and America allows all of its citizens to hold their own views. So, instead of telling me Im wrong (which im not) perhaps you should say you disagree with me. I do enjoy all of those who rush to say im wrong and dont know what Im talking about, thereby doing exactly what they accuse me of doing. Perhaps some of us need to take a Critical Thinking class to better enable us to understand what we read.

I also took a moment to peruse the etiquette link you posted. Nothing I have posted meets any of those qualifications. you can tell because the Admins have not sent me a warning nor have they banned me. Perhaps you need to read those rules yourself before throwing stones in a glass house?

Edited by Stone Profit, 17 January 2012 - 08:54 PM.

[Vulpesveritas]

Down with SOPA. The bill needs to be taken down. Completely. Utterly

Let the tech industry regulate the tech industry, not the entertainment industry. Heck most game companies are against SOPA. I think hollywood needs to get their head out of their rear just because their profits have not moved anywhere near like what internet company profits have been, and they blame the internet for their lack of being top-dog on profits.

I especially have an issue with the fact that websites are shut down before they are proven to contain offensive materials.

[Morashtak]

SGT Unther, on 29 December 2011 - 03:20 PM, said:

here are the main points taken from the toms hardware article


the whole denial of due process really gets me, everyone can thank the lobbyists on capitol hill for this whole mess

This is my main gripe with it. Seems to have been purposefully worded vaguely so they could kick the can over to justice to "polish it up". That's not the way to do it. Write the law with all the intent clearly worded and then hand it to the Executive branch to implement it. Giving something like this in the way it is written is asking for all kinds of shenanigans from any party occupying the WH or controlling either/both parts of Congress.

Certainly the litigation lawyers were hoping this would pass in this form. And the consumer would be the one ultimately paying their extortion exorbitant fees.

[ELHImp]