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[Crimsonblack]

I can't really find what's special about them.

[John Bronco]

You've passed the test.

[FupDup]

Pros:
*1 ton lighter than regular PPCs
*1 slot smaller as well
*No minimum range

Cons:
*Range reduced
*Damage decreases as range increases
*0.5 higher heat than regular PPCs

The cons generally outweigh the pros. It's especially dumb that the shorter ranged weapon has higher heat than the longer ranged one...

[VonBruinwald]

As Fup said:

They only really work on light and mediums who are small and nimble enough to get in range and bug out when they get too hot.

SnPPC really needs a buff:

• 270 optimum range, 810 maximum range, 8 heat.

Would make for an interesting side-grade to the LPL.

[FupDup]

VonBruinwald, on 09 January 2021 - 11:41 AM, said:

As Fup said:

They only really work on light and mediums who are small and nimble enough to get in range and bug out when they get too hot.

SnPPC really needs a buff:

• 270 optimum range, 810 maximum range, 8 heat.

Would make for an interesting side-grade to the LPL.

I don't really agree with increasing the max range because that goes against the spirit of the weapon and also won't even be practical in application (velocity isn't good enough to make use of that range). Heat however definitely should go down.

[Crimsonblack]

FupDup, on 09 January 2021 - 11:30 AM, said:

Pros:
*1 ton lighter than regular PPCs
*1 slot smaller as well
*No minimum range

Cons:
*Range reduced
*Damage decreases as range increases
*0.5 higher heat than regular PPCs

The cons generally outweigh the pros. It's especially dumb that the shorter ranged weapon has higher heat than the longer ranged one...

Sounds almost exactly like ERPPCs

Edited by Crimsonblack, 09 January 2021 - 11:54 AM.

[FupDup]

Crimsonblack, on 09 January 2021 - 11:53 AM, said:

Sounds almost exactly like ERPPCs

ERPPCs get more range and more velocity at least.

[Gas Guzzler]

Well, it lets you have an AC20 with unlimited ammo on a mech without a ballistic hardpoint, but they are too hot to be used practically in that manner.

I could see a build with 4 SRM6s and 2 Snubs being decent if the heat came down a tad.

[Gagis]

They pair well with SRMs and LB20s on mechs that are tight on tons or crits. A filler.

[VonBruinwald]

FupDup, on 09 January 2021 - 11:45 AM, said:

I don't really agree with increasing the max range because that goes against the spirit of the weapon and also won't even be practical in application (velocity isn't good enough to make use of that range). Heat however definitely should go down.

The alternative would be to increase the optimum range, historically*, they have a larger short range bracket than any other energy weapon. It was kinda their selling point.


_{*I heard that groan.}

[selfish shellfish]

You put Snub nose PPC's on your Awesome 8-Q and go brawling in Polar highlands!

[VonBruinwald]

selfish shellfish, on 09 January 2021 - 12:27 PM, said:

You put Snub nose PPC's on your Awesome 8-Q and go brawling in Polar highlands!

I've recently invested in a Quad Snub Awesome : AWS-8Q

Ended up dropping 2 snubs for a quarter of LPPCs : AWS-8Q

Edited by VonBruinwald, 09 January 2021 - 12:39 PM.

[Elizander]

Heat is too high for me to use them. Otherwise would make great additions to an AC/20.

[East Indy]

I think you could get away with dropping heat to as low as 7, especially since it's capped to 2 from Heat Scale. Now you've got an FLD-PPT energy complement to somewhat hot brawling and skirmishing builds.

[RickySpanish]

You can pair them up with an AC-20 for the equivalent of dual AC-20s without requiring a standard engine. But they're hot hot hot so not terribly practical, and the velocity and shot curve is different too. Some people run 2 snubs and 2 AC-20s but I'm not entirely convinced those people aren't idiots.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

I think the question is what the purpose is. Should they be paired with AC20s? Should they be paired with SRMs? My thing is they should probably be paired with AC20s to give them some use. Sync their velocities closer (AC20 comes up and PPC goes down a bit) and then either lower the heat or increase the damage so it is more like the Heavy Gauss.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 09 January 2021 - 01:50 PM.

[JediPanther]

Pgi can say they added them to the game. Weapon variety and such. You are much better off with 2 mls or just ac 5x2 or ac 10.

[LordNothing]

i put a couple on my katana kat and haven't removed them, dont regret a thing. they have the heat of std ppc but can hit at point blank range. i think most people who dont understand have an erppc mindset. they dont run standard ppcs because they dont want to get ganked by face hugging squirrels so they dont understand the benefits of a slightly colder ppc. most people also want to flag it as a brawling weapon when its more of a close to midrange skirmisher weapon. it could stand for some buffs (like 2 points of splash or slightly less heat, and i think id prefer the former), but they are usable.

Edited by LordNothing, 09 January 2021 - 04:58 PM.

[FupDup]

LordNothing, on 09 January 2021 - 04:52 PM, said:

i put a couple on my katana kat and haven't removed them. they have the heat of std ppc but can hit at point blank range. i think most people who dont understand have an erppc mindset. they dont run standard ppcs because they dont want to get ganked by face hugging squirrels so they dont understand the benefits of a slightly colder ppc. most people also want to flag it as a brawling weapon when its more of a close to midrange skirmisher weapon.

Correction: The SNPPC is slightly hotter than the vanilla PPC (0.5 points hotter).

[LordNothing]

FupDup, on 09 January 2021 - 04:54 PM, said:

Correction: The SNPPC is slightly hotter than the vanilla PPC (0.5 points hotter).

that is the reason i think it needs some buffs. reduced heat would be nice but i think id rather have a little extra damage in the form of a couple points of splash, like the cerppc does, just 1-1 instead of 2.5-2.5. for that sawed off shotgun feel.

Edited by LordNothing, 09 January 2021 - 05:04 PM.