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[VonBruinwald]

Wildstreak, on 21 January 2021 - 07:29 PM, said:

Did a test finally, was interesting. Gotta try it on a bigger Mech for more Alpha Strike power.

SirSmokes, on 22 January 2021 - 08:38 AM, said:

They pair nicely with standard AC 10s get that nice pin point ten damage with both the 10s and snub PPCs and IS standard 10 are very low heat as well so it a very good combo on some builds

CTF-1X: Phract's can take a hit so is should still be intact once it gets in range.

[The pessimistic optimist]

VonBruinwald, on 22 January 2021 - 10:46 AM, said:

CTF-1X: Phract's can take a hit so is should still be intact once it gets in range.

I like that build nice and you should be able to jam down on the AC 10 when you are hot and still cool down

Edited by SirSmokes, 22 January 2021 - 10:53 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

SirSmokes, on 22 January 2021 - 10:51 AM, said:

should be able to jam down on the AC 10 when you are hot and still cool down

You can

[The pessimistic optimist]

VonBruinwald, on 22 January 2021 - 11:09 AM, said:

You can

That's what make's IS AC 10 really good 10 pin point and very low heat

Edited by SirSmokes, 22 January 2021 - 11:12 AM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

SirSmokes, on 21 January 2021 - 10:11 AM, said:

Only advantage is one ton less in weight and no minimum range. There kind niche weapons for niche builds they work well on

I use this niche build on the RFL-5D with dual Snub Nose.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Yiryi-Sa, on 22 January 2021 - 11:29 AM, said:

I use this niche build on the RFL-5D with dual Snub Nose.

Yea snubs also work great with std meds yup low burn time same range low tonage

Edited by SirSmokes, 22 January 2021 - 11:54 AM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

SirSmokes, on 22 January 2021 - 11:54 AM, said:

Yea snubs also work great with std meds yup low burn time same range low tonage

Also, the TBT-7K is really good for the AC/10 + dual Snub Nose combo.

[PocketYoda]

FupDup, on 21 January 2021 - 06:44 PM, said:

They generate more heat than standard PPCs.

I was talking Er ppc.. I don't ever use ppc, lppc or hppc as they all have that 90 meters insanity and they are useless to me as a brawler player, same with IS lrms, i just never use them so i forget they exist.

Yiryi-Sa, on 22 January 2021 - 11:29 AM, said:

I use this niche build on the RFL-5D with dual Snub Nose.

XL on a rifleman seems like asking for trouble to me. Wouldn't a light engine do better?

Edited by Samial, 22 January 2021 - 06:01 PM.

[FupDup]

Samial, on 22 January 2021 - 05:58 PM, said:

XL on a rifleman seems like asking for trouble to me. Wouldn't a light engine do better?

In my anecdotal experience the Roflman tends to take more CT damage than side torso damage (thus making it XL safe), but then again maybe my loadouts/badness had something to do with it.

The real issue with his build is using LAMS on an energy boat...

Edited by FupDup, 22 January 2021 - 06:54 PM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

FupDup, on 22 January 2021 - 06:50 PM, said:

The real issue with his build is using LAMS on an energy boat...

RFL's are indeed XL friendly. That said, no, the LAMS isn't an issue. The heat is accounted for in the amount of DHS and the appropriate skill tree skills. Even so, it is a preference. Don't really care about the commentary otherwise.

[Wildstreak]

I understand why people use the AC10 but I did AC5 + Snub + ML on a Vindicator-1X reason is mid-range sync.

At 630 meters is max Snub range for even pitiful damage, same range for full damage on AC5. Weighs more but I get not only a brawl, I also have a mid-range Alpha.

Then I put 2 AC5 + 2 Snub on the Zeus-9S2. Cannot find other Mechs to use it with yet.

[PocketYoda]

FupDup, on 22 January 2021 - 06:50 PM, said:

In my anecdotal experience the Roflman tends to take more CT damage than side torso damage (thus making it XL safe), but then again maybe my loadouts/badness had something to do with it.

The real issue with his build is using LAMS on an energy boat...

I dunno my Riflemen seem to lose shoulders fast as anything.

[Y E O N N E]

FupDup, on 22 January 2021 - 06:50 PM, said:

In my anecdotal experience the Roflman tends to take more CT damage than side torso damage (thus making it XL safe), but then again maybe my loadouts/badness had something to do with it.

The real issue with his build is using LAMS on an energy boat...

RFL is neutral, you can run it either way.

That being said, you can run a RFL-5D with 2x SN-PPC and 6x MedLas on an LFE280 with that same DHS count, so there's zero practical benefit to running it XL....that LAMS is really a detriment to the build. Swap for TC1.

Edited by Miss Greene, 23 January 2021 - 12:41 AM.

[ImperialKnight]

pair it with AC20 and you get the old BOOM mechs, but no ghost heat

https://mech.nav-alp...49affeab_JM6-FB

https://mech.nav-alp...cb19aad_CPLT-K2

[Y E O N N E]

Eh, that K2 is a silly build when you can do this instead (swap the 2LPPC out for Snub if you want).

[The pessimistic optimist]

Miss Greene, on 23 January 2021 - 12:56 AM, said:

Eh, that K2 is a silly build when you can do this instead (swap the 2LPPC out for Snub if you want).

5 pin point K2 of doom https://mech.nav-alp...c17194f_CPLT-K2
and prime example of why I run speed tweak on a lot of my IS heavy's that engine would be too slow with out it but with it 67 just fast enough

Edited by SirSmokes, 23 January 2021 - 05:56 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

That build has worse convergence, can't alpha without ghosting, has worse max and sustained DPS, and is way slower all just to get a small range advantage over the version I linked. Just use the one I linked.

Edited by Miss Greene, 23 January 2021 - 10:25 AM.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Miss Greene, on 23 January 2021 - 09:50 AM, said:

That build has worse convergence, can't alpha without ghosting, has worse max and sustained DPS, and is way slower all just to get a small range advantage over the version I linked. Just use the one I linked.

Nah convergence is fine ghost heat is not a problem if yea fire in 3x or x2 LPPC or just eat the ghost heat and still fire the AC5s there so cool you can just jam down on AC 5 and still cool down yea never have to take the finger of AC 5 button. Or chain fire LPPCs and fire AC5 at same time and it never ending stream of 5 pin point that takes some time before you over heat

Edited by SirSmokes, 23 January 2021 - 11:45 AM.

[Y E O N N E]

SirSmokes, on 23 January 2021 - 11:43 AM, said:

Nah convergence is fine ghost heat is not a problem if yea fire in 3x or x2 LPPC or just eat the ghost heat and still fire the AC5s there so cool you can just jam down on AC 5 and still cool down yea never have to take the finger of AC 5 button. Or chain fire LPPCs and fire AC5 at same time and it never ending stream of 5 pin point that takes some time before you over heat

Other than the size of the alpha strike and the range on the AC/5, It's worse in every single way to 2AC/10 and 2LPPC. It runs hotter overall, it is slower, it can be neutered when the arms are shot off, and when you are done with the skill tree it will be squishier and have worse weapon performance.

All that to support plinking away at a target in 5-point increments spread all over the body instead of delivering efficient 30-point shots to a single location. It makes no sense.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Miss Greene, on 23 January 2021 - 02:30 PM, said:

Other than the size of the alpha strike and the range on the AC/5, It's worse in every single way to 2AC/10 and 2LPPC. It runs hotter overall, it is slower, it can be neutered when the arms are shot off, and when you are done with the skill tree it will be squishier and have worse weapon performance.

All that to support plinking away at a target in 5-point increments spread all over the body instead of delivering efficient 30-point shots to a single location. It makes no sense.

It's about consistent accurate fire like I said AC 5 can fire all day long. You pick a component fire all weapons systems as long as you can hit what you want you hold down AC 5 and pop in LPP as much as you can. It's not about a big alpha it about the DPS so you do about of damage quick accurately. Yea never have take finger of AC 5 and LPPC also have high rate of fire