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[Gas Guzzler]

VonBruinwald, on 22 January 2021 - 10:46 AM, said:

CTF-1X: Phract's can take a hit so is should still be intact once it gets in range.

I kinda wanna try that on the -3L

[Gas Guzzler]

SirSmokes, on 23 January 2021 - 02:48 PM, said:

It's about consistent accurate fire like I said AC 5 can fire all day long. You pick a component fire all weapons systems as long as you can hit what you want you hold down AC 5 and pop in LPP as much as you can. It's not about a big alpha it about the DPS so you do about of damage quick accurately. Yea never have take finger of AC 5 and LPPC also have high rate of fire

Nah man.

You might as well do 2 PPCs and shave arm armor. Avoids ghost heat and has better convergence with no loss in DPS. Also, less heat per second.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Gas Guzzler, on 23 January 2021 - 03:00 PM, said:

Nah man.

You might as well do 2 PPCs and shave arm armor. Avoids ghost heat and has better convergence with no loss in DPS. Also, less heat per second.

If you are talking quick poking shots you alpha if you want sustain fire you fire in two groups x2LPPC and in that mode you have better DPS and sustain then that build weapon groups FTW

[Gas Guzzler]

SirSmokes, on 23 January 2021 - 03:05 PM, said:

If you are talking quick poking shots you alpha if you want sustain fire you fire in two groups x2LPPC and in that mode you have better DPS and sustain then that build weapon groups FTW

In what way do you have better DPS with 4 LPPCs vs 2 PPCs?

[FupDup]

I think he's confusing "DPS" with "constant firing." Chaining a bunch of LPPCs doesn't do any more DPS than half as many regular PPCs, but because the shots are coming out one-by-one in a quick series he thinks it does more DPS.

If he really wanted DPS he'd use RAC/2s instead of AC/5s, which each do more than double the DPS of AC/5s for the same tonnage (even when considering spread, they still have quite a bit more useful damage than an AC/5 if your goal is DPS).

[The pessimistic optimist]

FupDup, on 23 January 2021 - 03:15 PM, said:

I think he's confusing "DPS" with "constant firing." Chaining a bunch of LPPCs doesn't do any more DPS than half as many regular PPCs, but because the shots are coming out one-by-one in a quick series he thinks it does more DPS.

If he really wanted DPS he'd use RAC/2s instead of AC/5s, which each do more than double the DPS of AC/5s for the same tonnage (even when considering spread, they still have quite a bit more useful damage than an AC/5 if your goal is DPS).

this is very accurate compared to RACs if your a good shot it can it same competent over and over for 10 damage even on moving targets some RAC will not do nearly as well at hit some spot. On top of short bursts of full alpha damage I can do RACs can't for 30 damage

Edited by SirSmokes, 23 January 2021 - 03:22 PM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

SirSmokes, on 23 January 2021 - 05:54 AM, said:

5 pin point K2 of doom https://mech.nav-alp...c17194f_CPLT-K2
and prime example of why I run speed tweak on a lot of my IS heavy's that engine would be too slow with out it but with it 67 just fast enough

If it works for you, don't worry about other people's thoughts on it.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Yiryi-Sa, on 23 January 2021 - 03:30 PM, said:

If it works for you, don't worry about other people's thoughts on it.

Nah me worried not likely just try to explain the concept

[Gas Guzzler]

SirSmokes, on 23 January 2021 - 03:34 PM, said:

Nah me worried not likely just try to explain the concept

4 LPPC DPS = 2 PPC DPS

There is no reason to take 4 LPPCs instead of 2 PPCs. Yes, you save some tonnage, but you can also strip arms to account for that. There is no other advantage to 4 LPPCs.

[FupDup]

Gas Guzzler, on 23 January 2021 - 03:48 PM, said:

4 LPPC DPS = 2 PPC DPS

There is no reason to take 4 LPPCs instead of 2 PPCs. Yes, you save some tonnage, but you can also strip arms to account for that. There is no other advantage to 4 LPPCs.

Also, the 2x PPCs generate lower heat per alpha (even when ignoring Ghost Heat) and take up 2 fewer critslots.

[VonBruinwald]

Gas Guzzler, on 23 January 2021 - 02:55 PM, said:

I kinda wanna try that on the -3L

CTF-3L

[Gas Guzzler]

VonBruinwald, on 23 January 2021 - 06:42 PM, said:

CTF-3L

Yeah I built it but with an AC20 instead.

[Y E O N N E]

FupDup, on 23 January 2021 - 03:50 PM, said:

Also, the 2x PPCs generate lower heat per alpha (even when ignoring Ghost Heat) and take up 2 fewer critslots.

And 2x AC/10 generate significantly more DPS than 2x AC/5 even at heat cap.

I mean, I get wanting to just sustain fire on a target, but with 2AC/10+2LPPC you can just arrange your groups or use chain fire to keep a steady stream of shots going out...or you can play it like a normal person and fire the whole set as a single shot while keeping the triggers depressed for the ACs the whole time. There is z e r o practical benefit to 4LPPC+2AC/5 over the proposed alternatives.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Miss Greene, on 23 January 2021 - 08:38 PM, said:

And 2x AC/10 generate significantly more DPS than 2x AC/5 even at heat cap.

I mean, I get wanting to just sustain fire on a target, but with 2AC/10+2LPPC you can just arrange your groups or use chain fire to keep a steady stream of shots going out...or you can play it like a normal person and fire the whole set as a single shot while keeping the triggers depressed for the ACs the whole time. There is z e r o practical benefit to 4LPPC+2AC/5 over the proposed alternatives.

Less range and like I said weapon groups FTW heats not a problem. You have trouble hitting people at those ranges? You guys seem to have problems with consistently hitting long range shots my most played mech is the https://mech.nav-alp...#508db90e_ON1-P
All about consistent shooting

Edited by SirSmokes, 24 January 2021 - 03:43 AM.

[PocketYoda]

SirSmokes, on 24 January 2021 - 03:24 AM, said:

Less range and like I said weapon groups FTW heats not a problem. You have trouble hitting people at those ranges? You guys seem to have problems with consistently hitting long range shots my most played mech is the https://mech.nav-alp...#508db90e_ON1-P
All about consistent shooting

I have that almost exact build on my cyclops.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Samial, on 24 January 2021 - 04:06 AM, said:

I have that almost exact build on my cyclops.

Dose it have the quirks like the protector because that's what makes it work 32% cool down on light gauss. It has stupid high rate of fire

[Yiryi-Sa]

SirSmokes, on 23 January 2021 - 03:34 PM, said:

Nah me worried not likely just try to explain the concept

I noticed you like Light PPCs. You might like this BL-7-KNT build.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Yiryi-Sa, on 24 January 2021 - 07:21 AM, said:

I noticed you like Light PPCs. You might like this BL-7-KNT build.

HE HE HE xl on a Black Knight have fun exploding

Edited by SirSmokes, 24 January 2021 - 07:31 AM.

[Yiryi-Sa]

SirSmokes, on 24 January 2021 - 07:31 AM, said:

HE HE HE xl on a Black Knight have fun exploding

Considering this Black Knight is armor quirked, its not really an issue.

[The pessimistic optimist]

Yiryi-Sa, on 24 January 2021 - 07:38 AM, said:

Considering this Black Knight is armor quirked, its not really an issue.

Well you have fun