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[Mechwho]

At this point I don't believe they are anywhere balanced or that we are getting enough numbers to make it function in a reliable way.


I've been in this limbo between tier 3 and tier 2 where there doesn't seem to be any improvement in team cohesion much less comunication, in fact it gets alot worse and it seems to improve once you go back to tier 3.

I want to believe I'm in a ''Elo Hell'' right now and what is causing this back and forth is me trying too hard (which might be part of the issue tbf) but I can't ignore the above mentioned issues... couple that with the frustration of seeing the Tier bar drop twice as much as the amount I get for winning a match it's simply feels a pointless endevour and robs alot of the fun one could be having in this game (which already is barely any if you are a long time player like me).

Rant over.

[GuardDogg]

I agree. In DCS their is little stats, or tiers or ranks. So if you go online against others. And their is actual pilots, some pro DCS pilots and a lot can kick butt. Very friendly environment. Only way to learn is fight against the pros. But their is a good reason behind it. Get to respawn in different aircraft/runway and other factors. In MWO (play 5 minutes out of a 15 min round, and your counted what you have done), many say tiers is not a ranking system. But it feels like it is by some, specially with stats (jarls list), numbers, and "Why is this person in T1?", "Or, go back to T5!" Not like you belong to your own kind of player feel. Many are racing, or trying to reach T1, and when PGI reset the Tiers, I have seen pilots hide their Tier like they were embarrassed, until they reached T1, it was uncovered. I have watched observed T1 pilots, and compared to other Tiers attitudes, and some never returning. PGI needs to rename "Tiers" to something else, more what is more comfortable to you position, piloting type.

Edited by GuardDogg, 23 March 2021 - 04:49 PM.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

There’s an option to hide tier in both the forums profile settings and in the in-game settings.

There, your friend wish has been granted! Have a nice day!

On a side note, the game quality is definitely much more punishing has you go up in tiers. I find it’s better to be happy with where ever you currently are and not to stress to hard on climbing tiers. Play the game, and try to have fun. Wins and losses come for everyone. If you felt the game was easier when you were in T5 but now they are harder in T3... then that’s good because your being challenged and not punching down.

Have fun! And happy hunting!

[Mechwho]

Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky, on 23 March 2021 - 04:28 PM, said:

There’s an option to hide tier in both the forums profile settings and in the in-game settings.

There, your friend wish has been granted! Have a nice day!

On a side note, the game quality is definitely much more punishing has you go up in tiers. I find it’s better to be happy with where ever you currently are and not to stress to hard on climbing tiers. Play the game, and try to have fun. Wins and losses come for everyone. If you felt the game was easier when you were in T5 but now they are harder in T3... then that’s good because your being challenged and not punching down.

Have fun! And happy hunting!

Sarcasm aside, my point wasn't simply being annoyed by the Tier progession and nowhere near if the matches become more punishing or not (I welcome that in fact if it's solely due to my fault on bad tactics/position/builds), it's with the quality of the players in higher tiers, tier 2 in this case.

What seems to be the issue for me is that in Tier 2 the choesion and communication gets worse as if tier 4 and 5 players are in these matches, I don't know for sure how the matchmaking works as I haven't looked into it indepth before this rant but they may be filling the ranks in MM with said lower tier players. If thats not the case then disregard this concern, though I still have to wonder whats the point of having tiers again if the quality of players is worse then lower tiers...it simply becomes are pointless progression bar for bragging rights which can be contributing to worse experience overall.

[Meep Meep]

You don't want to lump new or newer players in with the vultures in the top tiers. Gameplay is much faster and focused at those tiers where in the tier 4 and 5 range there isn't much meta vomit builds to face or the constant nascar.

[Heavy Money]

Why do you care about your tier? The purpose of tier is just to stop the top bracket of players from constantly stomping new players and ruining the game for them. These forums are already covered in complaints about seal clubbing and match quality.

Some players will always be better than others. Trying to obfuscate it won't change that.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

Mechwho, on 23 March 2021 - 05:43 PM, said:

Sarcasm aside, my point wasn't simply being annoyed by the Tier progession and nowhere near if the matches become more punishing or not (I welcome that in fact if it's solely due to my fault on bad tactics/position/builds), it's with the quality of the players in higher tiers, tier 2 in this case.

What seems to be the issue for me is that in Tier 2 the choesion and communication gets worse as if tier 4 and 5 players are in these matches, I don't know for sure how the matchmaking works as I haven't looked into it indepth before this rant but they may be filling the ranks in MM with said lower tier players. If thats not the case then disregard this concern, though I still have to wonder whats the point of having tiers again if the quality of players is worse then lower tiers...it simply becomes are pointless progression bar for bragging rights which can be contributing to worse experience overall.

I am sorry that you think I am being sarcastic, that was never my intention.

I personally and honestly feel it’s liberating to break free from being shacked to tier progression and just have fun. As you can see, I hide my tier long ago and just don’t even care to check it. I just try to have fun in my big stompy robots and I genuinely want you to have fun to.

As for communication, it all starts with the player. If you want teammates to use coms then lead by example and use coms. A simple hello at the start of each map can go a long way.

[Meep Meep]

Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky, on 23 March 2021 - 06:06 PM, said:

I am sorry that you think I am being sarcastic, that was never my intention.

I personally and honestly feel it’s liberating to break free from being shacked to tier progression and just have fun. As you can see, I hide my tier long ago and just don’t even care to check it. I just try to have fun in my big stompy robots and I genuinely want you to have fun to.

As for communication, it all starts with the player. If you want teammates to use coms then lead by example and use coms. A simple hello at the start of each map can go a long way.

Make a smurf account if you want to mix it up with the new players since you start at tier 5 now instead of tier 3. With all the cbills you get from the tutorial and cadet bonus you will have all 5 slots filled in a few days.

[Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky]

Meep Meep, on 23 March 2021 - 06:19 PM, said:

Make a smurf account if you want to mix it up with the new players since you start at tier 5 now instead of tier 3. With all the cbills you get from the tutorial and cadet bonus you will have all 5 slots filled in a few days.

Or like Meep Meep said, you could try making a smurf account. I heard there are some pretty good new trials that just got released that you can try.

Try and see what you like, happy hunting!

[PocketYoda]

Removing tiers here would be bad i believe the skill levels of some groups is far above others.. So if no tiers existed nothing would stop those players from driving the lower skill players away.

At this time its already pretty bad with group drops exploiting it. Removing tiers would turn the game into a cluster.

[RickySpanish]

Difference between tiers is night and day. I win a roughly even number of matches as I lose in t1 playing N/A prime time. When it's off peak or the match maker falls over and there's t3 players in the game, suddenly I'm at 7 kills in a Wolverine.

People speak less in higher tiers because they know what to do, even if that something is the same thing over and over again. Put those guys into lower tier matches and they will clean up.

If you're rocking back and forth between t2 and t3 it sounds like you're having moments of tactical brilliance rocked by the match maker crapping the bed. If you keep playing though you will definitely reach t2 and then t1. I found that t2 was a quagmire, not really Elo hell as that doesn't exist, but I had to stop mucking around with dumb builds and start using the objectively better 'Mech/weapon combos.

Stick to it, don't worry about tier.

[TheCaptainJZ]

Mechwho, on 23 March 2021 - 05:43 PM, said:

Sarcasm aside, my point wasn't simply being annoyed by the Tier progession and nowhere near if the matches become more punishing or not (I welcome that in fact if it's solely due to my fault on bad tactics/position/builds), it's with the quality of the players in higher tiers, tier 2 in this case.

What seems to be the issue for me is that in Tier 2 the choesion and communication gets worse as if tier 4 and 5 players are in these matches, I don't know for sure how the matchmaking works as I haven't looked into it indepth before this rant but they may be filling the ranks in MM with said lower tier players. If thats not the case then disregard this concern, though I still have to wonder whats the point of having tiers again if the quality of players is worse then lower tiers...it simply becomes are pointless progression bar for bragging rights which can be contributing to worse experience overall.

Maybe more of the players are in groups and chatting on discord or something?

[Meep Meep]

TheCaptainJZ, on 23 March 2021 - 07:25 PM, said:

Maybe more of the players are in groups and chatting on discord or something?

Plus mwo voip is a bit buggy at least for me and I have to turn it off if I want to play podcasts or music in a browser as I play or else it causes audio stutters and sometimes game lag.

[Solarise]

hmm balance by tier ? i doubt we have enough players

[D A T A]

This idea is pure brain fart insanity and would kill the game straight away.
In tier 5 people can not move and shoot at the same time, and if they shoot, 70% of the times they miss.

Tiers exist to save those people from me.

If you remove tiers, poor pugs in tier 3-4-5 will get r*ped in the *** so ******* hard that they would uninstall the game in 5 mins.

I agree though that the way the bar moves should be changed, but for opposite reasons: more based on individual damage performance and less on win or loss.
The problem is that TOO MANY WEAK PUGS ARE IN TIER 1, as getting tier 1 is too easy.
And this creates matchmaker imbalance.


A non tier 1 that wishes that tiers were gone is like a masochist that wishes to get *** blasted more

Edited by D A T A, 24 March 2021 - 03:51 AM.

[D A T A]

Meep Meep, on 23 March 2021 - 05:48 PM, said:

You don't want to lump new or newer players in with the vultures in the top tiers. Gameplay is much faster and focused at those tiers where in the tier 4 and 5 range there isn't much meta vomit builds to face or the constant nascar.

Hint hint, there is no meta vomit at all, as vomit is not meta, easy.
Uacs, cerppc, IS medpulse and IS lrms are meta

[Meep Meep]

D A T A, on 24 March 2021 - 03:47 AM, said:

Hint hint, there is no meta vomit at all, as vomit is not meta, easy.
Uacs, cerppc, IS medpulse and IS lrms are meta

For organized play or quick play because I see a shizzton of vomit boats every match usually some form of clan heavy large or er larges and heavy mediums or dakka builds. I only do quick play.

[D A T A]

Meep Meep, on 24 March 2021 - 04:15 AM, said:

For organized play or quick play because I see a shizzton of vomit boats every match usually some form of clan heavy large or er larges and heavy mediums or dakka builds. I only do quick play.

Yes, on quick play, i see laser vomits too, and they do **** every time compared to other stronger builds.
Laser vomit is dead since 2017. Thanks god at this point even the walls understood it

[Meep Meep]

D A T A, on 24 March 2021 - 04:40 AM, said:

Yes, on quick play, i see laser vomits too, and they do **** every time compared to other stronger builds.
Laser vomit is dead since 2017. Thanks god at this point even the walls understood it

Well then you need to spread the word in game that laser vomit isn't meta anymore.

[grim spider]

yep i agree 100% i am tier 5 and the quality of my games and the amount of fun that I have would be increased ten to twenty fold if we just got rid of the tier system and let me play with tier 1 players.