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[FlareUKCS]

I went into a battle in a med , a Hunchback with a AC20 and 2 lasers ... I got 2 confirmed kills, on assault mechs. We lost the fight, but as a low skilled level 5 player I got my skill dropped.
WTF am I suppose to do?
I got 2 kills, on mechs with a lot more tonnage and the game is like nah you suck.
I did my job hiding near the assaults and doing my limited damage, but the game says nah you suck.
Why because I didn't do a lot of damage, I shot precise shots with my AC20, I didn't run a laser boat that has 50 lasers to do a lot of damage... I had 2 lasers and 1 AC20 and got 2 kills.

When will this silly game learn to grade skill properly, I get you don't want to simply say kills is more points to prevent kill snipes but jeez grading 2 kills in a med mech as a downgrade is a bit much dont you think ?
Am I suppose to go full laser and farm damage on AFK mechs to grade better ?

It wasn't I was simply sniping kills, I was doing my job and adding my damage to the assaults DPS, shooting targets with the AC20 when presented.
Yet my grade goes down... on a battle with 2 kills, 1 team damage (coz a team assault went in front, and lucky I was firing lasers).
Yes I didn't get 10000 damage... you dont get that with 1 AC20 and 2 med lasers in a Hunchback... you get massive hits on a single point that cripples and kills.

I want to get up a few levels to play with skilled players, yet I still get downgraded on a good battle... least I think 2 kills on a 2 Assaults with a med mech is pretty good.

[Valdarion Silarius]

FlareUKCS, on 14 August 2021 - 06:01 PM, said:

I want to get up a few levels to play with skilled players, yet I still get downgraded on a good battle... least I think 2 kills on a 2 Assaults with a med mech is pretty good.

So from what I understand you want to increase in tier and you are worried about your tier placement? My advice is don't be so quick to rush up in tiers because higher tier gameplay is going to make your gameplay experience significantly worse with all of the try hards. If you dropped in pilot rating that is not necessarily a bad thing. If you are really are concerned about tier placement then do some research on the meta mechs in the game and try to learn their play styles the best you can.

[FinnMcKool]

its all about damage , it stinks
but that's the truth

Tier lvl is not a sign of a better player.

[Verilligo]

It has nothing to do with how well you performed, exactly. It matters how well you performed in comparison with the other people on your team. If you contributed very little in comparison to everyone else then your PSR will go down, even if you made kills or were on the winning side. Quite honestly? Don't worry about your PSR. It does nothing for you apart from changing how you're considered for matchmaking purposes. If you never raise out of Tier 5, then you probably belong in Tier 5, where you're likely to have the most fun. If you belong in a different tier, you will rise to that tier naturally. Literally the only thing where Tier 5 is considered a black mark is in discussions regarding weapon balance and that's mostly just to make sure you know how to actually play at a competent level.

[Saved By The Bell]

Turn off tier option and forget about it.

[justcallme A S H]

FlareUKCS, on 14 August 2021 - 06:01 PM, said:

I want to get up a few levels to play with skilled players, yet I still get downgraded on a good battle... least I think 2 kills on a 2 Assaults with a med mech is pretty good.

That is a good attitude to have, it really is. However looking at your stats - you are not nearly ready to play against higher skilled guys. I can assume you are in T5 fairly safely.

Once you learn and improve you will naturally climb.

That said if you want some help from one of the 'pros', send me a message and I will gladly spend some time helping you skill up a little. If you do not improve at least 40-60 average match score in 2 months, ill be shocked.

[Capt Deadpool]

There is some very good information, good advice, and a generous offer in this thread, OP. Very nice to see! I would suggest you take ASH up on his offer.

You are on the right track; one of the main things that improving at this game boils down to is figuring out--within your preferred play style, of which there are many--is essentially how to kill the enemy as quickly and efficiently as possible. There are ways to game the match score system and ways to move up by doing a lot of inefficient damage, but killing quickly while taking the least amount of damage, sometimes referred to as 'winning your trades' is really what the game boils down to. (Even if your PSR occasionally drops, your win rate will increase if you kill quickly and efficiently as opposed to farming inefficient damage, and regardless of which of those two tactics raises your tier more quickly, the former will make you a better player in the end.)

The game has a pretty steep learning curve, which involves gaining map knowledge, identifying which targets to prioritize, which enemy loadouts present a grave threat to you, etc., but with time it will come.

Edited by Capt Deadpool, 14 August 2021 - 11:48 PM.

[VeeOt Dragon]

honestly all i can say is that you shouldn't care about PSR to much, just have fun. play the builds you like (though there is nothing wrong with asking advice on how to improve the build, there is a section in the "New Player" area of the forum for just that). i wouldn't concentrate on meta to much yeah its the try hard thing to do but it gets boring using the same 3 builds on every mech. i suggest trying out all the weapons you can (good early mechs i found were ones that give you options for multiple builds.)

hell i have been having some fun matches lately even though i have been on the losing side more often than not (not my fault in most of these matches i get at least 1 kill and a couple KMDDs i'm a middle of the rod player as far as skill goes and i'm fine with that). keep in mind that you are more likely to go down in PSR on a loss than on a win so there is that.

also if your more concentrated on having fun don't bother with any of the outside stat sites. if you are someone who one concentrates on your stats or just wants to see how things go i think there are a few sites to use but someone else will have to give you links as i don't know them.

Edited by VeeOt Dragon, 15 August 2021 - 02:30 PM.

[The Basilisk]

Your PSR is only relevant in Quickplay so let me tell you some facts about it.

You can not:
-- control skill and playstyle composition of the team you get saddled with
-- control skill and playstyle composition of the enemy team
-- control the chassis your teammates choose (there are checkmate combinations)
-- control the chassis your enemys will field (see above wron combo of chassis and your team looses)

You can only partially influence:
-- the maps that are played
-- the teamcoherence (by sharing info over VC and beeing a disciplined cheerfull guy talking only sense and only when it is neccessary)

You can influence:
-- your mech build and
-- your basic strategie.

So you have 2/8 or 1/4th of things (25% of things) you can actually influence in that game to make anything else not making you loose.

So...either you play it smart and see it as what it is...mostly luck and mostly unrelated to your personal skills and mech or work realy hard to exploit the loopholes, designflaws of the game, disadvantages of certain mechs and metagame as much as you can and you will see that you now have 2 or 3 chassis on each weight class that will still look viable to you and with the momentary situation of ongoing...tuning of MWO you meight even considder that there are only 2 viable weightclasses at all atm.
Sounds boring to me.

My advise ? Be smart, don't git gud, its boring.

[PocketYoda]

FlareUKCS, on 14 August 2021 - 06:01 PM, said:

I want to get up a few levels to play with skilled players, yet I still get downgraded on a good battle... least I think 2 kills on a 2 Assaults with a med mech is pretty good.

I know you wont believe me but you really don't want that.

[crazytimes]

PSR is entirely relative to players jn your match. If you're in tier 5 and still consistently going down, the problem may be you.

There has been threads with detailed examinationa of the subject on the front page of this forum for the last year. Read them and get better, or just turn the tier display off and play however you want. It means nothing outside of matchmaking.

[ScrapIron Prime]

FlareUKCS, on 14 August 2021 - 06:01 PM, said:

but the game says nah you suck.

Why because I didn't do a lot of damage, I shot precise shots with my AC20, I didn't run a laser boat that has 50 lasers to do a lot of damage... I had 2 lasers and 1 AC20 and got 2 kills.

... least I think 2 kills on a 2 Assaults with a med mech is pretty good.

Well as has been pointed out, the game isn’t saying you suck, the game is saying you did not contribute as much as other players did in the match. 2 kills is good, yes, you got bonus match score for that. 2 Kill Most Damage Dealt is better, and raw damage is even better than that.

The way the skill ranking system is weighted, it’s tilted against folks who swoop in and do very little damage but snatch a kill from someone who did. Kills are worth bonus points. Raw damage is bonus points, and it’s the largest component of your match score.

so to help you rise through the tier system (if that be your goal, though I advise you to listen to the other voices in this thread that encourage you to Just Not Worry About It), there are a few tips to snagging some extra match score each fight. These aren’t the only tips, of course, just a few easy ones.

Protected Medium. Each few seconds that you are within short range of an allied heavy or assault mech, you get a formation bonus called Protected Medium. Rack a dozen or more of these up each fight for extra match score.

Anti-Missile Systems. A 1 to 1.5 ton investment in an AMS gets you bonus match score for shooting down enemy missiles, and you’re helping keep your heavy and assault friends (the ones you’re sticking near to earn Protected Medium) in the fight longer.

Spotting. Putting a UAV up near the enemy not only allows the spotting of stealthy enemy mechs on the mini map and helps your team react better, it’s also bonus match score.

TAG. A less used option is to spend a ton and put a TAG on one of your energy hard points. Each target you illuminate is worth bonus match score as well as cancelling out ECM on certain enemies. TAG… it’s more than just for missiles.

[Gagis]

Also note that the arrow can point down just the same if you lose 1 point of SPR or if you lose 100 points of PSR.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

FinnMcKool, on 14 August 2021 - 07:09 PM, said:

its all about damage , it stinks

Whats wrong with a focus being on damage? There is not a single gamemode where killing the enemy isn't the best strategy and even on conquest you can get more consistent results harassing and fighting the enemy cappers than trying to out cap them because you'll stop them getting caps and can then go join the fight.

Edited by My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, 16 August 2021 - 02:53 AM.

[Gagis]

My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, on 16 August 2021 - 02:52 AM, said:

Whats wrong with a focus being on damage? There is not a single gamemode where killing the enemy isn't the best strategy and even on conquest you can get more consistent results harassing and fighting the enemy cappers than trying to out cap them because you'll stop them getting caps and can then go join the fight.

Thats correct, but the system would still be a tad better if damage was rewarded a little less so kills, kmdd and such would count proportionally more. Same goes for AMS missiles destroyed bonus which is also disproportionately much.

[MrTBSC]

My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, on 16 August 2021 - 02:52 AM, said:

Whats wrong with a focus being on damage? There is not a single gamemode where killing the enemy isn't the best strategy and even on conquest you can get more consistent results harassing and fighting the enemy cappers than trying to out cap them because you'll stop them getting caps and can then go join the fight.

the current system rewards supportbuilds with next to nothing ... there is little point to for instance run TAG or narc other than for your own missilebuilds .. using tag/narc or AMS ECM etc. for teamsupport gives jack for rewards even though used right has signifficant impact in play

Edited by MrTBSC, 19 August 2021 - 06:47 AM.

[D A T A]

FlareUKCS, on 14 August 2021 - 06:01 PM, said:

I went into a battle in a med , a Hunchback with a AC20 and 2 lasers ... I got 2 confirmed kills, on assault mechs. We lost the fight, but as a low skilled level 5 player I got my skill dropped.
WTF am I suppose to do?
I got 2 kills, on mechs with a lot more tonnage and the game is like nah you suck.
I did my job hiding near the assaults and doing my limited damage, but the game says nah you suck.
Why because I didn't do a lot of damage, I shot precise shots with my AC20, I didn't run a laser boat that has 50 lasers to do a lot of damage... I had 2 lasers and 1 AC20 and got 2 kills.

When will this silly game learn to grade skill properly, I get you don't want to simply say kills is more points to prevent kill snipes but jeez grading 2 kills in a med mech as a downgrade is a bit much dont you think ?
Am I suppose to go full laser and farm damage on AFK mechs to grade better ?

It wasn't I was simply sniping kills, I was doing my job and adding my damage to the assaults DPS, shooting targets with the AC20 when presented.
Yet my grade goes down... on a battle with 2 kills, 1 team damage (coz a team assault went in front, and lucky I was firing lasers).
Yes I didn't get 10000 damage... you dont get that with 1 AC20 and 2 med lasers in a Hunchback... you get massive hits on a single point that cripples and kills.

I want to get up a few levels to play with skilled players, yet I still get downgraded on a good battle... least I think 2 kills on a 2 Assaults with a med mech is pretty good.

you can climb tier even with that hunchback if ou carry at least you own weight doing only 300-400 damage and 1 kill, which is the minimum requirement to say that "you carried yourself".
Of course if you just steal a couple of kills your tier does not go up.

Tier problem right now is related to winning and losing: if you lose you get punished too much in terms of tier scoring.

Anyways look it this way: going to tier 1 is incredibly easy, to the point that 90% of tier 1 players should not be in tier 1, because they are too weak.
if you don't manage to get to tier 1 at all, even with how stupidly easy it is, then you don't even want to be there, because you would be just food for sharks.
tiers are not there as a reward, they are not a reward, they are a shield.
A shield so that weak people can enjoy the game and have fun without getting repitedly as* blasted by better people

Edited by D A T A, 19 August 2021 - 07:03 AM.

[GoodTry]

MrTBSC, on 19 August 2021 - 06:44 AM, said:

the current system rewards supportbuilds with next to nothing ... there is little point to for instance run TAG or narc other than for your own missilebuilds .. using tag/narc or AMS ECM etc. for teamsupport gives jack for rewards even though used right has signifficant impact in play

PSR just sorts people into buckets for who should play with who. It's not a "reward."

Do you really think it should dump people who focus on support builds in with tryhards who are going to murder them with meta builds?

(speaking in terms of a hypothetical situation where the population were high enough that everyone isn't lumped together anyway)

[bilagaana]

Then there are those of us who find the op's complaint amusing because we expend a lot of time and energy trying to find ways not to advance in PSR, while still contributing and not deliberately tanking matches. That takes real skill.

[FlareUKCS]

I apologise for taking so long to respond, I dont mind that I did so little damage but really what can you expect form a med mech ? I want to get to higher levels as they tend to play the game more, otherwise its a 'farm' creds system.
I just want to play the game as expected ... tactical like, but the system is more selfish imo.
Sorry I took so long to reply, and thank you for the advise I appreciated it/
Thank You/