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[1453 R]

That was excellent work done by that Piranha pilot. 766 damage is no joke even in larger 'Mechs, and five killing blows is good work indeed. The UrbanMech didn't do bad at all either, a solid 600 damage show even if he didn't score any kills with it. Suspecting RAC ATAC Urbs there, those tend to be good at dealing lots of damage but less good at finishing the job.

'Course, that KDK-3 doing 950 damage with four kills prooobably had something to do with the Red team's win there. Maybe. Just a twinge. obviously can't watch the game, but a good assault 'Mech opening the enemy's formation and scattering targets away from its firepower often empowers his friendly light 'Mechs to go hunting down scattered and isolated targets...not to mention how well longer-ranged Urbz tend to do when acting as a satellite gun to a friendly assault 'Mech. Have to wonder if either pilot would've done nearly so well without that Brodiak acting as an anchor for his team.

[Scout Derek]

MrMadguy, on 27 September 2021 - 10:42 AM, said:

Yea, yea. Lights aren't OP at all. They don't win matches for their teams. Yeah.

Wowee Jimmy, you pulled an alright game... once! In a lower-end game where people struggle to shoot lights!

W O W E E

[Der Geisterbaer]

MrMadguy, on 27 September 2021 - 10:42 AM, said:

Yea, yea. Lights aren't OP at all. They don't win matches for their teams. Yeah.

Okay, so

• the winning team's mech with the highest match score ... was an assault
  
• while the winning team obviously had a strong PIR-3 your team obviously had a PIR-2 that totally failed to live up to your claims of OP-Ness with the lowest match score of all mechs (and that despite killing another mech).
  
• the winning team had an UM-R60L that was above average it also had an UM-SC that did average at best all the while your team had an UM-R68 and an INC-1 that did "suck" by comparison

Selective "reading" at its best ... so "Yeah, that's what was to expected by the intellectually totally 'honest' MrMadguy" ~laugh~

Edited by Der Geisterbaer, 27 September 2021 - 11:38 AM.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

MrMadguy, on 27 September 2021 - 10:42 AM, said:

Yea, yea. Lights aren't OP at all. They don't win matches for their teams. Yeah.

Just to warn you that baiting people with something dumb is against PGI's and therefore this forum's CoC.

[Moldur]

My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, on 27 September 2021 - 11:41 AM, said:

Just to warn you that baiting people with something dumb is against PGI's and therefore this forum's CoC.

I thought it was more like baiting people to break ToS.

[MrMadguy]

You just don't know context of this match. Video would be better. Match was close with 0-1 kill difference. And we were doing just fine. Until exact moment, when this three guys come and wiped our team. They're not OP at all, yeah.

[ScrapIron Prime]

MrMadguy, on 27 September 2021 - 07:59 PM, said:

You just don't know context of this match. Video would be better. Match was close with 0-1 kill difference. And we were doing just fine. Until exact moment, when this three guys come and wiped our team. They're not OP at all, yeah.

Um… then you weren’t doing “just fine”. You were fighting 12 mechs vs their 9 and holding your own, but when the light mechs got into position and it became a 12v12 match where you got outflanked and spanked.

[Ravni]

MrMadguy, on 27 September 2021 - 10:42 AM, said:

Yea, yea. Lights aren't OP at all. They don't win matches for their teams. Yeah.

So you just took a single match as if that could somehow be representative of the overall game, and yet you've somehow failed to even do the most basic analysis to see if your subjective n-of-1 example even supports your narrative. I went ahead and did it for you:

Assaults (5): average damage 452, average score 275
Heavies (10): average damage 347, average score 236
Lights (6): average damage 312, average score 228

Only against the three remarkably poor-performing mediums in your match (avg dmg 205), could light mechs be said to be OP.

Edited by Ravni, 27 September 2021 - 08:50 PM.

[My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ]

MrMadguy, on 27 September 2021 - 07:59 PM, said:

You just don't know context of this match. Video would be better. Match was close with 0-1 kill difference. And we were doing just fine. Until exact moment, when this three guys come and wiped our team. They're not OP at all, yeah.

Surely striking after the enemy has been weakened is peak light role?

[pattonesque]

MrMadguy, on 27 September 2021 - 07:59 PM, said:

You just don't know context of this match. Video would be better. Match was close with 0-1 kill difference. And we were doing just fine. Until exact moment, when this three guys come and wiped our team. They're not OP at all, yeah.

pattonesque, on 27 September 2021 - 11:27 AM, said:

In this very screenshot three enemy lights have combined less than 400 damage, including a Piranha with double digit damage. Sounds like we need to buff lights, appreciate you providing evidence

[Wildstreak]

pattonesque, on 27 September 2021 - 11:27 AM, said:

In this very screenshot three enemy lights have combined less than 400 damage, including a Piranha with double digit damage. Sounds like we need to buff lights, appreciate you providing evidence

Except you are asking to buff them based off limited info lacking other info, thanks for showing how to analyze wrong.

[ScrapIron Prime]

pattonesque, on 27 September 2021 - 11:34 PM, said:

In this very screenshot three enemy lights have combined less than 400 damage, including a Piranha with double digit damage. Sounds like we need to buff lights, appreciate you providing evidence

Quite so. Its not that the lights overpowered you, its that they distracted you and your team cohesion fell apart. (Well... as much cohesion as there is in quick play these days...) ANY mech can do that, not just a light mech, though its easier to do the faster you move.

[pattonesque]

Wildstreak, on 28 September 2021 - 05:38 AM, said:

Except you are asking to buff them based off limited info lacking other info, thanks for showing how to analyze wrong.

When someone is making a claim based off limited evidence (that in fact shows the opposite of the point they were trying to make), responding with the opposite claim is a useful rhetorical tool which shows the absurdity of making such claims based off said evidence. Generally I wouldn't have to spell this out because it's very easy for most folks to understand the point that's being made.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

My Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, on 27 September 2021 - 11:41 AM, said:

Just to warn you that baiting people with something dumb is against PGI's and therefore this forum's CoC.

if you think that through,
this forum should be empty, then

[AwDangit]

This thread is kind of funny and sad. I can say that lights in a pack are super annoying, and quite deadly. Which is their role. If you're a mech caught in the open alone, it doesn't matter what 3-4 mechs gank you, you're probably not going to make it. A good pilot in a hard hitting light can be a real problem depending on your skill level and piloted mech. Neither of those situations are worthy of forum tears.

Calling for nerfs is amongst the stupidest and knee jerking-est things you can do in gaming.