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[panzer1b]

I think they are balanced, you trade heat efficiency and require alot of tonnage and gain range and PPFLD, but its still capped to around 30 or so due to ghost heat limits on most mechs, with a few assaults able to do 40-50 either due to quirks (awesome) or combining with LGRs/AC10s. As for lights, i like the fact that its an option, although you are still going to have generally lower DPS (or sacrifice speed) due to their weight (for 2 LPPCs i could bring 6 ERMLs which have almost 3 times the alpha). They can be annoying to fight against on poptart maps like the new hellbore springs, but even there a laser build has a decent chance of returning at least as much fire as the poptart can spit out if you can anticipate where they will shoot from in general.

[Meep Meep]

To reiterate I think the lppc stats are fine. I just wish they were a bit easier to fit on lights and mediums is all.

[Bamboozle Gold]

Meep Meep, on 27 December 2021 - 03:25 PM, said:

To reiterate I think the lppc stats are fine. I just wish they were a bit easier to fit on lights and mediums is all.

Eh, dunno man. You can fit 3 LPPC easy on an Urbie or 4 LPPC on a Phoenix Hawk and still have plenty of space for cooling. My only request would be a clanner weapon system that fills the same niche.

[Meep Meep]

Bamboozle Gold, on 30 December 2021 - 05:03 AM, said:

Eh, dunno man. You can fit 3 LPPC easy on an Urbie or 4 LPPC on a Phoenix Hawk and still have plenty of space for cooling. My only request would be a clanner weapon system that fills the same niche.

Thats the issue. Only a few lights can mount more than two of them and some can't even mount two. Three or four is optimal depending on quirks but only a bare handful of lights can do that and even less of them are any good at it. So we have a niche weapon system that isn't all that useful on heavier mechs as they have the tonnage and slots to use better ppc options but fittings leave most lights and many mediums without the ability to properly boat them if you want to go pure ppc. The only thing I am asking for is a slight reduction in fittings to be more in line with other low damage weapon systems. Reduce weight to 2.5 tons and slots to 1 and many more lights can cram in the required amount to be viable and it opens up far more fittings on medium mechs but doesn't really do much for heavier mechs since they already had the slots and tons to boat them if desired. If needed tweak the ghost heat so you can't boat more than four without cooking your mech.

[PocketYoda]

After thinking about it these are a bit too hot and heavy for the damage they do.. under powered and medicore. Not bad in anyway but not great either especially with the stupid PPC ghost heat rules..

And Clan ER PPCs are now useless and have the same heat as a heavy large laser.. Who thought that was a good idea.

Bamboozle Gold, on 30 December 2021 - 05:03 AM, said:

Eh, dunno man. You can fit 3 LPPC easy on an Urbie or 4 LPPC on a Phoenix Hawk and still have plenty of space for cooling. My only request would be a clanner weapon system that fills the same niche.

With the same weight i can fit two er mediums and a large pulse laser for more damage.. and way better heat. Less range but not by much.

Edited by Nomad Tech, 30 December 2021 - 11:09 PM.

[caravann]

yolo all day long with a bunch of AC5

They hit hard. Long range ac20

yes you can put something else but when you have the tonnage why not.

in medium mech you are going to have a single cannon and uac10 is best set.

but with assault you can have multiple cannons and light PPC is AC5 without ammo bin

you maybe unable to stack multiple PPC's but that not why you add them. the case that they do not fire equally means that you have cannons shooting all the time or cannons available when needed. weight is not the biggest issue for assault but what to put into it.

[Bamboozle Gold]

Nomad Tech, on 30 December 2021 - 11:07 PM, said:

With the same weight i can fit two er mediums and a large pulse laser for more damage.. and way better heat. Less range but not by much.

Sure. But it's not PPFLD and it doesn't fire every 3 seconds.

[PocketYoda]

Bamboozle Gold, on 31 December 2021 - 01:22 AM, said:

Sure. But it's not PPFLD and it doesn't fire every 3 seconds.

So not everything is PPFLD.. people make way to much out of that these days.. way overstated imo i blame the Youtubers.

Edited by Nomad Tech, 31 December 2021 - 10:40 PM.

[Ignatius Audene]

Lppc are rly good in heavy chassis. Just not intended to use as an main weapon but as additional alpha for ac combinations.

[feeWAIVER]

I really liked light ppc's during the PPC patch that I think Chris (?) did..
PPC's were much higher heat, and much more damage.

Light PPC's were doing 7 damage.

I don't remember the heat scale, but it was hot. It had a good balance of risk vs reward, because you had to land your shots.
You could run 6 lppcs between 2 firing groups, and it was good.

But it was the "exact opposite of what the gulag wanted", so they canned it.

#chriswasright

[Curccu]

feeWAIVER, on 01 January 2022 - 09:25 AM, said:

I really liked light ppc's during the PPC patch that I think Chris (?) did..
PPC's were much higher heat, and much more damage.

Light PPC's were doing 7 damage.

I don't remember the heat scale, but it was hot. It had a good balance of risk vs reward, because you had to land your shots.
You could run 6 lppcs between 2 firing groups, and it was good.

But it was the "exact opposite of what the gulag wanted", so they canned it.

#chriswasright

Lets hope chris will never ever again touch game balance on any game.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Ignatius Audene, on 01 January 2022 - 04:29 AM, said:

Lppc are rly good in heavy chassis. Just not intended to use as an main weapon but as additional alpha for ac combinations.

Like on this Warhammer 7S. 40% velocity boost to all weapons is just BEGGING for MRM's as a main armament, with a battery of LPPC belly guns to back it up.