No one is afraid of Assaults in MWO. Assaults, or even heavies, are the best opportunity for a better match score. And bringing down the biggest first guy helps eliminate the larger threat. But many are very afraid of lights with evil eyes.
This has been explained to you so, so many times but I'll repeat it once again: assaults have the highest average match score and highest win rate of any class in the game.
That sounds like a great opportunity to record a video right there.
Not much need for doing so. His expectations cannot be met simply because the largest arm deflection angle on any mech in MW:O that I'm currently aware of is 40° (but I'm not sure if that angle increases up to 10% to 44° with 5 nodes of increased Yaw) and many mechs have less (some even 0°) => The farthest deflection you can get is still firmly within what the table top game considers the "front fire field" in relation to the current torso position. But GuardDogg is obviously expecting deflection angles of up to 90° possibly even on mechs that cannot deflect their arms in the first place.
ScrapIron Prime said:
Show us, because that's counter to my experiences, and I'm guessing Horseman's, and pretty much everyone else I've watched. When I do this, the arm fires the weapon at the tiny circle.
I'm pretty sure that his arm weapons do exactly the same: They fire at the tiny circle that simply doesn't deflect beyond 40° (44°) relative to the torso and thus is still firing towards the "front" but not towards what he considers the "side".
Edited by Der Geisterbaer, 29 December 2021 - 01:40 PM.
I do this a lot in MWO, but the weapon doesn't fire in that (left/right) direction. Only forward. The arms do not move even unlocked. MW4, was fun firing like this. Took great skill.
What mech are you piloting? Does it have lower arm actuators? Mechs without lower arm actuators cannot move their arms side to side, only up and down. this was explained in your Cadet missions.
Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 29 December 2021 - 01:37 PM.
No, but they person who made a post suggested a video. Where do you angry people come from? Do you hide on the grass (thinking you are in it), but not in the bushes waiting for that opportunity to engage?
Your biggest problem is that you cant parse out the difference between a disagreement and an attack.
Have you fired while doing this? Tried it on a Madcat, and it didn't work. The arm was still facing forward. Most mechs I have tried this, with arm lock off/on. Either way. Fired straight ahead, instead of sideways.
It is called "Yaw". Some 'Mechs have better or worse yaw angles than the others.
GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 02:21 AM, said:
Lights take out assault mechs.
GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:
No one is afraid of Assaults in MWO. Assaults, or even heavies, are the best opportunity for a better match score. And bringing down the biggest first guy helps eliminate the larger threat. But many are very afraid of lights with evil eyes.
No one is afraid of Assaults in MWO. Assaults, or even heavies, are the best opportunity for a better match score. And bringing down the biggest first guy helps eliminate the larger threat. But many are very afraid of lights with evil eyes.
Nah, it's just a psychological failing on your part.
Against Assaults and Heavies, you feel like you have agency because you can run away from them and try to avoid fighting. You can defend yourself by escaping.
Against Lights, you still have agency. You just refuse to recognize it, because you're too busy panicking. You can't run away from Lights because they're faster than you. But you still have agency, because you can just shoot the light. Can't hit him? At least take some shots at him to force him to jink, somewhat spoiling his aim, while you zig-zag and spaz out your torso to spread incoming fire and maneuver towards friendlies. Don't just blindly try to run away from danger, run towards help, and use the command wheel to call for assistance (marks yourself on minimap to make it easier for friendlies to find you). Too far away to get help? You already screwed up positioning by isolating yourself so far away from your teammates, so think about how you put yourself there in the first place and try not to do it again.
The problem people have is that Lights can force the engagement onto you, and you cannot disengage at will. This means your only way out is through the enemy, with the best defense being a good offense. But if your mindset is one of timidity and you habitually hide more than you engage, then of course Lights will seem much more overbearing than the other weight classes that you can (temporarily) run away from. Against any opponent, though, this is a self-defeating mindset. Develop a willingness to engage the enemy, and win or lose, at least you go down fighting, rather than dying whilst running scared or dying after hiding for half the match.
Tried it on a Madcat, and it didn't work. The arm was still facing forward.
Again, your mech must have horizontal arm mobility.
With Clan Omnimechs, this means that your mech must have the lower arm actuators installed in the mechlab. There are checkboxes for this.
When mounted in Omnimech arms, some weapons - PPCs, AC5s and up (including UACs and LBXes) and Gauss Rifles) will automatically force the removal of lower arm actuators. This is something you will notice in the mechlab and that you can see in the mech details pop-out in the mechbay and store - the yaw range diagram gives you two numbers, XXX + YY where XXX is the torso yaw range and YY is the arm yaw range. If the arm yaw is 0, your mech has no arm yaw and cannot use this technique.
This is a Mad Cat (Timber Wolf) with Large Lasers and Medium Lasers mounted in the arms of its' stock configuration. With 25 degrees arm yaw, it is capable of using this technique
This is a Mad Cat (Timber Wolf) with PPCs mounted in the arms of its' stock configuration. With 0 degrees arm yaw, it isnot capable of using this technique.
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Most mechs I have tried this, with arm lock off/on. Either way. Fired straight ahead, instead of sideways.
As I have already told you:
It will never work with arm lock on.
It will never work on mechs that do not have arm yaw (horizontal motion range)
The latter category includes any mech without lower arm actuators, such as Rifleman or Jagermech and any Omnimechs that do not have lower arm actuators installed. Mechs with only one lower arm actuator (Victor 9A1, Enforcer 4P etc) can do it, but their motion range is very limited (10 degrees).
You know what's really depressing about this? This **** is gameplay 101. It should not require explaining to someone who has been playing the game for years, let alone that I should be explaining to someone who played it for longer than I did. But, like many other aspects of the game, because you never paid attention, you never learned it.
GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:
No one is afraid of Assaults in MWO. Assaults, or even heavies, are the best opportunity for a better match score. And bringing down the biggest first guy helps eliminate the larger threat. But many are very afraid of lights with evil eyes.
My personal experience, gameplay records that I've tracked over the years, global leaderboard statistics and statistics from competitive matches all say otherwise. Properly handled assaults are the most ****ing terrifying thing in the game - which is also why lone, exposed and unsupported assaults get singled out: they're too dangerous to let them get into combat.
GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 01:26 PM, said:
No, but they person who made a post suggested a video.
You made an extraordinary claim, so it falls on you to prove it. That's how standards of proof work, don't you know?
pattonesque, on 29 December 2021 - 01:33 PM, said:
YOU are bad at assaults. That's the issue.
You may not remember, but one of his previous threads was complaining at getting singled out, alone and unsupported in an assault mech. Eventually it came to light that he dropped into Quick Play with a build that couldn't go faster than 39 KPH. He never accepted that could have been part of the problem.
You may not remember, but one of his previous threads was complaining at getting singled out, alone and unsupported in an assault mech. Eventually it came to light that he dropped into Quick Play with a build that couldn't go faster than 39 KPH. He never accepted that could have been part of the problem.
Questions?
Again, your mech must have horizontal arm mobility.
With Clan Omnimechs, this means that your mech must have the lower arm actuators installed in the mechlab. There are checkboxes for this.
When mounted in Omnimech arms, some weapons - PPCs, AC5s and up (including UACs and LBXes) and Gauss Rifles) will automatically force the removal of lower arm actuators. This is something you will notice in the mechlab and that you can see in the mech details pop-out in the mechbay and store - the yaw range diagram gives you two numbers, XXX + YY where XXX is the torso yaw range and YY is the arm yaw range. If the arm yaw is 0, your mech has no arm yaw and cannot use this technique.
This is a Mad Cat (Timber Wolf) with Large Lasers and Medium Lasers mounted in the arms of its' stock configuration. With 25 degrees arm yaw, it is capable of using this technique
This is a Mad Cat (Timber Wolf) with PPCs mounted in the arms of its' stock configuration. With 0 degrees arm yaw, it isnot capable of using this technique.
As I have already told you:
It will never work with arm lock on.
It will never work on mechs that do not have arm yaw (horizontal motion range)
The latter category includes any mech without lower arm actuators, such as Rifleman or Jagermech and any Omnimechs that do not have lower arm actuators installed. Mechs with only one lower arm actuator (Victor 9A1, Enforcer 4P etc) can do it, but their motion range is very limited (10 degrees).
You know what's really depressing about this? This **** is gameplay 101. It should not require explaining to someone who has been playing the game for years, let alone that I should be explaining to someone who played it for longer than I did. But, like many other aspects of the game, because you never paid attention, you never learned it.
My personal experience, gameplay records that I've tracked over the years, global leaderboard statistics and statistics from competitive matches all say otherwise. Properly handled assaults are the most ****ing terrifying thing in the game - which is also why lone, exposed and unsupported assaults get singled out: they're too dangerous to let them get into combat. You made an extraordinary claim, so it falls on you to prove it. That's how standards of proof work, don't you know?
You may not remember, but one of his previous threads was complaining at getting singled out, alone and unsupported in an assault mech. Eventually it came to light that he dropped into Quick Play with a build that couldn't go faster than 39 KPH. He never accepted that could have been part of the problem.
20 degrees from front. Sorta firing straight. Not at perfect left, right side. Guessing you never done this at all in MW4 (if you ever played it). But what ever. Man, you are one angry dude (salt is real). Shows in your replies. Shows the MWO goes your way (or in all the salty players get their wish). Girly game play. Something has ticked you in your life and taking it out in the forums.
20 degrees from front. Sorta firing straight. Not at perfect left, right side.
Not straight, not in line with the torso, and the range of motion depends on the mech - obviously, if you rotate your torso along with the arms you will get greater overall range than that, in many mechs enough to fire at enemies 90 degrees to the side or even almost directly behind you.
I picked a Timber Wolf for this little demonstration because you brought one up.
Your complaint was that it's not possible to fire at the reticle and that the arms did not move at all:
GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 01:22 PM, said:
the weapon doesn't fire in that (left/right) direction. Only forward. The arms do not move even unlocked.
That has been debunked.
You won't get anywhere by trying to move the goalposts.
GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 04:00 PM, said:
Guessing you never done this at all in MW4 (if you ever played it).
Irrelevant - MWO is not MW4. If you want MW4, you can play it on MekTek's servers.
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Man, you are one angry dude (salt is real). Shows in your replies. Shows the MWO goes your way (or in all the salty players get their wish). Girly game play.
Giving you lessons in basic game mechanic isn't salt. Disappointment that someone with your tenure in the game needs those lessons in the first place isn't salt.
The salt here is only the salt you brought with you.
Who started this thread insulting the whole community and ranting about leaving?
Ah, right. That was you.
Who was insulting everyone that doesn't automatically agree with every single word?
Ah, right. That was also you.
As for "girly game play", there's nothing "girly" (or "manly") about being an effective pilot. That's just your envy speaking.
Not straight, not in line with the torso, and the range of motion depends on the mech - obviously, if you rotate your torso along with the arms you will get greater overall range than that, in many mechs enough to fire at enemies 90 degrees to the side or even almost directly behind you.
I picked a Timber Wolf for this little demonstration because you brought one up.
Your complaint was that it's not possible to fire at the reticle and that the arms did not move at all:
That has been debunked.
You won't get anywhere by trying to move the goalposts.
Irrelevant - MWO is not MW4. If you want MW4, you can play it on MekTek's servers.
Giving you lessons in basic game mechanic isn't salt. Disappointment that someone with your tenure in the game needs those lessons in the first place isn't salt.
The salt here is only the salt you brought with you.
Who started this thread insulting the whole community and ranting about leaving?
Ah, right. That was you.
Who was insulting everyone that doesn't automatically agree with every single word?
Ah, right. That was also you.
As for "girly game play", there's nothing "girly" (or "manly") about being an effective pilot. That's just your envy speaking.
Nah..you came in here angry, fed up, or you would have just left. Finding out, you (and people like you) are not a person to reason with, specially here. You get to speak your voice about MWO, but others are not able to say otherwise or else, "you do not get it", "Not going to happen", "Guy doesn't get it", "Or doesn't want to understand." I get it all. But the state MWO is is crucial, and it seems you do not care about it. Just fits as it is, for you and people like you, it is progressing. Half of the game is missing, not finished, and it appears like nothing is wrong. Nothing. I did uninstall MWO, for your pleasure and other salty players. The salt will prevail in MWO. Salting appears very enjoyable in MWO, but can backfire. Like "HouseWives of MWO"
Nah..you came in here angry, fed up, or you would have just left. Finding out, you (and people like you) are not a person to reason with, specially here. You get to speak your voice about MWO, but others are not able to say otherwise or else, "you do not get it", "Not going to happen", "Guy doesn't get it", "Or doesn't want to understand." I get it all. But the state MWO is is crucial, and it seems you do not care about it. Just fits as it is, for you and people like you, it is progressing. Half of the game is missing, not finished, and it appears like nothing is wrong. Nothing. I did uninstall MWO, for your pleasure and other salty players. The salt will prevail in MWO. Salting appears very enjoyable in MWO, but can backfire. Like "HouseWives of MWO"
Aside from the kinda gross conceit built into what you're saying, you again don't seem to be able to differentiate between a personal attack and a differing argument. Anytime someone here says you're wrong, you act like you're being insulted, and respond in kind.
Aside from the kinda gross conceit built into what you're saying, you again don't seem to be able to differentiate between a personal attack and a differing argument. Anytime someone here says you're wrong, you act like you're being insulted, and respond in kind.
Easy to tell what the problem is.
Ah another one coming to join in (coming out of the woodwork) to salt, or would have left it. Man, so funny. Shows my point top of thread, about forums. Talk about MWO, not me. Sigh. Like we are not suppose to talk, write about it, unless we praise it.
20 degrees from front. Sorta firing straight. Not at perfect left, right side. Guessing you never done this at all in MW4 (if you ever played it). But what ever. Man, you are one angry dude (salt is real). Shows in your replies. Shows the MWO goes your way (or in all the salty players get their wish). Girly game play. Something has ticked you in your life and taking it out in the forums.
Dude. he made a lengthy post showing you exactly where and how you can do the arm thing. Helpful, you know? But your reaction is to attack him for it.
And even after you do that, he further clarifies that the 25 degree arm movement is IN ADDITION TO the 105 degree torso twist, which if you do the math... you can use this technique to fire 130% to the side... or just past your mech's 4 o'clock position.
And then you attack him for THAT.
I'm sorry, but you're contributing to your own salt intake. Sometimes you just have to say "i didn't know that, cool" and leave it at that.
ScrapIron Prime, on 29 December 2021 - 06:18 PM, said:
Dude. he made a lengthy post showing you exactly where and how you can do the arm thing. Helpful, you know? But your reaction is to attack him for it.
And even after you do that, he further clarifies that the 25 degree arm movement is IN ADDITION TO the 105 degree torso twist, which if you do the math... you can use this technique to fire 130% to the side... or just past your mech's 4 o'clock position.
And then you attack him for THAT.
I'm sorry, but you're contributing to your own salt intake. Sometimes you just have to say "i didn't know that, cool" and leave it at that.
He pushed his anger, like he is fed up. That post shows little. What it does. Show a perfect 90 degree shooting left, or right (while looking left/right). Than I will believe. Everyone can do that. The guy came attacking me, in the start of this thread. That I have a Ego. Everyone has a ego. "This guy, doesn't get it", "Tired of me." Well, if the guy is tired of me and other things,....do not write, leave. I am out to defend myself. Like I am going to sit back and take the salt in the forums, and just leave it at that. No!, some will not leave it, so why would I? Like wtf? Trying to make me cry, and say massive sorry's for a half done game, and you guys are right. That I suck? By pulling up stats, and then I am suppose to have tail between my legs. Talk about MWO, not me. Yeah, Now I am triggered (that many or I have to bottle up the frustration of a half done game). The enjoyment of "House wives of MWO." FFS!..it is so true, that these MWO is fn salt.. Yeah, I am out of here. Go laugh now guys...Happy salt crowd. The giggles, I can hear it.
He pushed his anger, like he is fed up. That post shows little. What it does. Show a perfect 90 degree shooting left, or right (while looking left/right). Than I will believe. Everyone can do that. The guy came attacking me, in the start of this thread. That I have a Ego. Everyone has a ego. "This guy, doesn't get it", "Tired of me." Well, if the guy is tired of me and other things,....do not write, leave. I am out to defend myself. Like I am going to sit back and take the salt in the forums, and just leave it at that. No!, some will not leave it, so why would I? Like wtf? Trying to make me cry, and say massive sorry's for a half done game, and you guys are right. That I suck? By pulling up stats, and then I am suppose to have tail between my legs. Talk about MWO, not me. Yeah, Now I am triggered (that many or I have to bottle up the frustration of a half done game). The enjoyment of "House wives of MWO." FFS!..it is so true, that these MWO is fn salt.. Yeah, I am out of here. Go laugh now guys...Happy salt crowd. The giggles, I can hear it.
why do you feel as though your thoughts on the game are entitled to respect when they've been shown over and over again to be flawed, with your response being summoning an entire construction company to dig up and move the goalposts every single time?
Ah another one coming to join in (coming out of the woodwork) to salt, or would have left it. Man, so funny. Shows my point top of thread, about forums. Talk about MWO, not me. Sigh. Like we are not suppose to talk, write about it, unless we praise it.
So every time someone disagrees with you, you hurl insults at them, they respond in kind, and then you act like you're being insulted out of the blue.
Again. Easy to see where the problem is. You reap what you sow. Have an actual debate with people. Understand that some of them are going to disagree with you, especially when you make some pretty baseless claims that demonstrate you know less about the game than you think you do, and don't act like you're being victimized when you get called on it.
I am about to uninstall. Actually, I will do it now, go elsewhere "DCS has a better atmosphere, people who care for each other, not stats...". Time for "MWO" to die. When they replace the PSR, tiers, I will be back. But that is unlikely PGI will work on that. They can not finish a unfinished game. Half of Battletech is missing. I had enough....Done "uninstalled". Bye.
GuardDogg, on 24 December 2021 - 04:55 AM, said:
So I uninstalled for sure, real. Due to the game (not done, but adding more stuff). I had it, done. I just can not play MWO anymore. Something is telling me not to play MWO anymore, that MWO needs to die. Not for me. As a Battletech fan. MWO is not battletech. I can stay with DCS, and continue with my CGI other activities.
GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 05:03 PM, said:
I did uninstall MWO
GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 07:36 PM, said:
Yeah, I am out of here.
I am sure that you are going to stick to your word.
Because there is no point in spamming your false statements over the forums of the game that you no longer play,
and there is no point in insulting the fans on the forums of the game that you no longer play.
He pushed his anger, like he is fed up. That post shows little. What it does. Show a perfect 90 degree shooting left, or right (while looking left/right). Than I will believe. Everyone can do that. The guy came attacking me, in the start of this thread. That I have a Ego. Everyone has a ego. "This guy, doesn't get it", "Tired of me." Well, if the guy is tired of me and other things,....do not write, leave. I am out to defend myself. Like I am going to sit back and take the salt in the forums, and just leave it at that. No!, some will not leave it, so why would I? Like wtf? Trying to make me cry, and say massive sorry's for a half done game, and you guys are right. That I suck? By pulling up stats, and then I am suppose to have tail between my legs. Talk about MWO, not me. Yeah, Now I am triggered (that many or I have to bottle up the frustration of a half done game). The enjoyment of "House wives of MWO." FFS!..it is so true, that these MWO is fn salt.. Yeah, I am out of here. Go laugh now guys...Happy salt crowd. The giggles, I can hear it.
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GuardDogg, on 29 December 2021 - 01:25 PM, said:
