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[Tarl Cabot]

Sawk, on 05 February 2022 - 05:14 PM, said:

Well it would be nice, if they had done the second part of post PSR RESET, like making KILLS and ASSIST ECT, to account for more toward PSR, maybe some LIGHT MECH love ECT ECT.
BUT sadly it is what it is, i can tell you playing a SOLO pilot, its hard wall to bust thru tier 2, so get a team, and learn all 4 weights, light to assault.
SAWK PS GOOD LUCK

Why mess with Kills/Assists, etc? Adjust one stat, damage. Right now the damage-to-PSR conversion is approx 45%. When PGI was usiing Elo, it is funny looking at some of the end of match results, with 100 being top MS. At the time, both 8vs8 and 12vs12 before going changing from Elo to Tier/PSR, damage-to-MS conversion was very low, and MS did not have as many triggers.

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Should other component amounts be increased? Debatable. And thinking about it, adjusting the damage conversion would not change the ranking majority of the time. Changes to most other triggers, (etc ATM) would likely have to be pretty big to eclipse most damage output.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 05 February 2022 - 07:16 PM.

[East Indy]

justcallme A S H, on 05 February 2022 - 02:49 PM, said:

At a raw concept level, sure it would work.

Once you factor in though how fast a solid T1 player is going to nuke a T4-T5 player in terms of skill, awareness, game knowledge, build quality etc.

You're operating more inside concept than you think.

Before all the 2020 changes, solo queue matches regularly included the entire spectrum of skill levels thanks to totally inaccurate tier assignment — and the way things shook out they were actually reasonably balanced. As a solo venue, the experience wouldn't diverge much from non-group quickplay over the past 2-3 years. And especially not as a single-night kind of thing.

[justcallme A S H]

Not exactly.

For one the matches were never balanced then if anything they were worse because having T5s able to climb into T1 meant the MM never had a hope of finding +/- two tier matching.


Also to remember the only way the Tier 4/5 level players could get into Tier 1/2 was by brute-force and playing 10,000 matches. Over those nulk games those players at least attained:

• Game/Match experience.
  
• Map Knowledge.
  
• Built mechs - rather than stock - even if the builds were bad.
  
• Mechs that were skilled out - even if poorly.

So yeah they might have played bad, aimed bad but at least they knew some parts of the game.



You put a completely fresh 100 match player into the meat grinder with no experience or understanding of the game - nothing good willl come from it. Absolutely nothing.

Edited by justcallme A S H, 06 February 2022 - 05:31 PM.

[Sawk]

HMM all good points, but you sound--scared of change, in real WAR, if you kill FOLKS, IMPALE FOLKS, and make them RUN from you, now that wins wars.
I always try to get 1 kill per match, or more--- and also try to hit more folks and hide, now let us think of YOUR win matchs, many times when you win, the ASSIST will be higher, that also helps SAY 3 to 4 players make 2 to 4 kills, you WIN.
ok i think i have said to much, besides all of you will never see me, i AM tier 5 maybe 4 : )

SAWK CLANNER

[Vxheous]

Sawk, on 06 February 2022 - 05:24 PM, said:

HMM all good points, but you sound--scared of change, in real WAR, if you kill FOLKS, IMPALE FOLKS, and make them RUN from you, now that wins wars.
I always try to get 1 kill per match, or more--- and also try to hit more folks and hide, now let us think of YOUR win matchs, many times when you win, the ASSIST will be higher, that also helps SAY 3 to 4 players make 2 to 4 kills, you WIN.
ok i think i have said to much, besides all of you will never see me, i AM tier 5 maybe 4 : )

SAWK CLANNER

You know what, let's do it, open the floodgates like it was when tiers got reset and everyone got dumped to Tier 3. It's like some people need to feel that pain before they realize how bad of an idea it is

Edited by Vxheous, 06 February 2022 - 05:26 PM.

[Curccu]

Sawk, on 06 February 2022 - 05:24 PM, said:

HMM all good points, but you sound--scared of change, in real WAR, if you kill FOLKS, IMPALE FOLKS, and make them RUN from you, now that wins wars.

Not sure what medieval wars have to do with this silly game .

[ccrider]

Vxheous, on 06 February 2022 - 05:25 PM, said:

You know what, let's do it, open the floodgates like it was when tiers got reset and everyone got dumped to Tier 3. It's like some people need to feel that pain before they realize how bad of an idea it is

That's what I'm saying; no rules. Just free-for-all for like a month. It'll be hilarious.....i mean good. Cause don't be afraid of change. I know if I just started, matching up with a 12 man Div A comp team would be super fun.

Edited by ccrider, 06 February 2022 - 11:31 PM.

[Curccu]

ccrider, on 06 February 2022 - 11:30 PM, said:

matching up with a 12 man Div A comp team would be super fun.

Fun to whom? not for that comp team at least .
And I would think not for you either after few games.

Contrary to what few forum warriors think comp people do not enjoy seal clubbing, that is why we play comp... to challenge us with best possible opponents.

[YueFei]

When there's too large of a disparity in skill, learning is impossible. There's a sweet spot zone where you're challenged but not getting stomped so badly that you have no opportunity to learn WTF just happened.

Ideally match-making should put you into a match where you're challenged, but not being so horribly smacked around that you have no clue how you got dunked on so badly.

I remember enjoying playing Tennis with a friend of mine as kids. Then he got serious and joined his University's Tennis team. When I played him again, neither of us was getting anything out of the experience because I couldn't even return his serve, LOL.

[ccrider]

Curccu, on 06 February 2022 - 11:45 PM, said:

Fun to whom? not for that comp team at least .
And I would think not for you either after few games.

Contrary to what few forum warriors think comp people do not enjoy seal clubbing, that is why we play comp... to challenge us with best possible opponents.

sarcasm doesn't convey well over text. My post was entirely sarcastic.

[MechB Kotare]

If you want to increase new player population, you dont want them to keep getting rekt by t1 groups. Might be frustrating and demotivating.

[Saved By The Bell]

When I played from different ac against Tier 4-5, I killed 7 with event HunchBack IIC HBK-IIC-A.

How?

I pressed "R" and shoot in damaged parts of enemy...

I dont think they liked it.

So Tier 5 against Tier 1 not good.

[Sawk]

HMM THERE you go--- there is interest in changing the PSR, match score ECT, BUT i am also aware that --- not naming NAMES, of folks that played this game, and MASTERED it in like 30 to 60 days, and some spent hundreds of bucks for the upper hand, i get it, and the teams that learned it.
I am still having fun playing, in the plan is the next super computer i hope we can work on the next 10 years, and give more to new pilot. it really is about the COMPUTER, and then, the mech, and then about the team, and voice, some day maybe we see world war 3 with are russain friends, i help train 2 in this game : )
OK see you flip side

SAWK CLANNER

[foamyesque]

Horseman, on 29 January 2022 - 12:30 AM, said:

Find T1 players who are willing to group with you and teach you the ins and outs of the game. You'll get matched against more demanding opposition exactly as you wish - but the experience may be far more brutal than you expect.

Friend of mine is not only T1, but good T1, and I occasionally drop with him. It's a humbling experience and also tends to lower his PSR

The skill difference is very, very real.

[Dauntless Blint]

OP, They could remove PSR from Group Que and maintain it for solo Que because group que breaks true PSR and pollutes match maker.
They cannibalised Solo Que players for Group Que and fixed PSR and MM after the majority of us have left to abandon ware only to break it with Group Que again.

The instance it breaks is when higher tiers join majority low tire group.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

But the tier bar is not a skill bar and a dynamic system, even a T1 player can become a T2 or T3 again if he loses enough matches against better T1 players, but still has the same experience and skills compared to the others who went from T5-4 to T3 are.

just play the game as long as EG 7 keeps the servers running or the 4-man crew doesn't take off for their own projects.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 16 February 2022 - 03:06 AM.