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[Deadfire]

The issue as I see it is once again the "reason they did this" makes no ******* sense. PGI doesn't even have the manning for data analysis, if they did they wouldn't need a player-lead consul on improving the game...

[Krizalius]

Revis Volek, on 17 March 2022 - 02:45 PM, said:

not bad, but settle down there sport. put that epeen down before someone gets hurt.

You don't have to look at the statistics. It does not represent reality.
There is no most important point. Ping to the server.

Brom96, on 17 March 2022 - 02:52 PM, said:

And I have been hearing this for years now and people will continue with it until the game dies.

Correct. As long as there is cannon fodder, the game will be alive.

Edited by Krizalius, 17 March 2022 - 07:26 PM.

[Devil To Pay]

Just in an 8v8 match. We had a 4 person group. The other team had a 4 person group and a two person group. The pre made groups are an issue but the larger problem is they had 195 TONS MORE DROP WEIGHT than our team for an 8 MECH DROP.

PGI has NEVER had a clue about how to fix the matchmaker!

[Boiled Peanut Dealer]

Played a few matches and the imbalance is insane. Each of the matches has had a ridiculous tonnage difference, one of ~300 tons. One of the matches my side had 5 assaults and not a single light. The other side had 2 assaults and the rest were all lights.

Is this intentional?

I understand this is to obtain data for future changes, but please fix the imbalance. This isn't fun. I'm going to play a handful more matches and see if this is just first impression bias, but I doubt it is.

Think I might be done playing for the weekend before it even starts.

EDIT TO ADD: After playing a few more games, the groups and imbalance ruin it. Done for the weekend. Really hope this doesn't become permanent or common.

The "social" and competitive crowds have been catered to ad nauseum. . . and where has it led us too? Either keep a space reasonably open for casual players or expect them to leave. Not all of us have the time, energy, or patience to make "in game" friends or keep up with the competitive folks. This whole episode really makes me doubt the future of this game.

Edited by Doc Horti, 17 March 2022 - 08:38 PM.

[dj_]

Hell Yea! 8v8 is bomb! I play solo FYI>

[Krizalius]

Pictor, on 17 March 2022 - 02:52 PM, said:

Well, others seem to recognize it as a problem.
The Community Manager has just acknowledged the problem with 4-person groups.
I just want MWO to be better

We all want to make MBO better.
But we must not forget the consequences. And consider past experience.
The question immediately arises.
Did the manager play against premades of 4 pilots? At least playing the game for 2 FIRST years.

Edited by Krizalius, 18 March 2022 - 02:54 AM.

[BabyCakes666]

i have not been on this forms for like 2-3yo

never had a reason till now

8V8 SUCKS PUT IT BACK TO 12V12 WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!!!

go fix faction war instead of this stupidity

[Kynesis]

I've re-written this post a number of times to tone it down... there's really no point stepping through yet another train wreck and trying to explain to PGI how competent companies do things.

I can't resist asking why a test server couldn't be used for a project like this?

[Murlynn Thorndragon]

Where are the extra seven days on the Platinum events?
They are still running also.

[MUNTAFIRE2]

8V8 actually plays better for me, as an assault. Less light mechs behind me and less power on the enemy team. Just a fair warning.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Kynesis, on 17 March 2022 - 07:45 PM, said:

I can't resist asking why a test server couldn't be used for a project like this?

I would suppose they want data with hundreds of players rather than dozens of players.

[Kynesis]

ScrapIron Prime, on 17 March 2022 - 08:01 PM, said:

I would suppose they want data with hundreds of players rather than dozens of players.

Doing things this way is a great way of ending up with dozens of players rather than hundreds of players.

[Heavy Money]

8v8 is fine so far. I wouldn't want a permanent change to this, but the sky isn't falling and the weekend isn't ruined like some are claiming.

[Yehat Terminator]

I’ve had a lot of fun matches thus far and often felt more useful as a solo player. It’s not quite the same gameplay as 12v12. I’d love to see this come back from time to time, but perhaps not all the time.

[LRH1313]

I (as a solo player) am very much enjoying 8V8. The matches feel more dynamic and my contribution is impactful. I am not a good player so a loss doesn't bother me. I am also used to getting stomped. That being said, 8V8 feels better, when we get stomped, I earned it. Flip side, when we win I also earned it.

I would like to see an option for 4V4 (but not limited to just lights and mediums) but don't think it should be the default. I get that people like 12V12 but a change up is refreshing.

Would it be possible to have some events based around match size or mech class? have one special weekend a month where it is all assaults or all lights, mess with the match size or something like that? leave 12V12 for the boring people if they don't want to have fun

[Verustus]

Krizalius, on 17 March 2022 - 07:35 PM, said:

We all want to make MBO better.
But we must not forget the consequences. And consider past experience.
The question immediately arises.
Did the manager play against premades of 4 pilots? At least playing the game for 2 years.

I don't understand why you limit the conditions to managers, but I suggest you look at the actual experience reports of the entire forum and compare the number of people who see the 4-person group and 8v8 as a problem(for other problems like tonnage imbalance as well) with the number of people who praise it.

Edited by Pictor, 17 March 2022 - 09:11 PM.

[Redlegdaddy]

MUNTAFIRE2, on 17 March 2022 - 07:16 PM, said:

If people played this game as if it was them on a real battlefield, with bullets flying around them, they wouldn't stand there and not check behind them, or decide to not shoot the enemy for whatever reason... If you were in a fight; you would shoot to kill and this is a clear picture that a lot of players are not willing to dive in deep and do what they should in these situations..

As someone who has been in real live combat you are incorrect lol. People make mistakes in combat as well and get complacent. Throw in panic, bad comms, equipment failure and you would be absolutely shocked at how crazy and terrible combat is. Look at the Russians for a group who should know what they are about and are failing at basic military drill such as logistics. This is a video game about giant mechs, there is no realism in any way, the whole point is making a game that is fun to play. You combat things like rotato with map design and yes with 8v8 I have noticed MUCH less rotato with the 8v8. It seems the game you are looking for is either comp or faction, both of which use comms, plans and discipline. If you want to LARP as a stone cold, big beard, mech operator go for it but do not talk down to people who just want to play a game =).

[crazytimes]

I am thrilled that the percieved solution to group and tonnage imbalance in the matchmaker is to make the pools even smaller to maximise the imbalances.

I'll give it one or two more matches, then the data you can gather from me is "did not want to play 8v8". I look forward to the results of the data being published.

One. It was one. Conquest in 8v8 with grossly imbalanced teams is absolutely not worth it. This is a free to play game, but I wouldn't play it as it stands if I was getting paid to.

Edited by crazytimes, 17 March 2022 - 09:10 PM.

[Legich]

Very bad idea. Broken MM, weight disbalance and 8vs8 - sadness and decay

[Krizalius]

Pictor, on 17 March 2022 - 08:55 PM, said:

I don't understand why you limit the conditions to managers, but I suggest you look at the actual experience reports of the entire forum and compare the number of people who see the 4-person group and 8v8 as a problem(for other problems like tonnage imbalance as well) with the number of people who praise it.

Not true. I don't see any problem with 4-pilot permades.
But, yes, there is a problem with the tonnage balance for the whole team.
It is necessary to choose the right numbers, both for the permade and for the whole team along with this premade.
And the problem is solved.