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[panzerd18]

Tonnage imbalance between sides is extreme now. Throwing away tonnage or taking full tonnage in a group drop have a game breaking impact on win/loss. 8vs8 is not bad, just the issues with 12vs12 are magnified now even more with 8vs8.

Edited by panzerd18, 18 March 2022 - 06:51 AM.

[BigSpam]

Loving this 8v8 mode. It is nice to have some player agency in games. It would be nice if we could have the option of 8v8, or perhaps a random queue as mentioned. Either way, looking forward to what PGI has cooking for this new "event queue"

Many benefits that I've seen so far:

• Improved queue time (at least it seems this way, I've done no actual science on it)
  
• More brawling, less sniping (possibly the sniping syndrome is a tad less pronounced)
  
• Games times are quicker

A couple potential issues to fix (just agreeing with some of what has already been mentioned):

• Match scoring seems even more broken now (ex. 600 dmg in a match, 1kill, 3kmdd and a negative match score in a loss - just doesn't seem right)
  
• Pre-made groups have an even more significant influence on game experience (don't get me wrong, I like playing with my friends & family - not sure how to fix this...)

Edited by BigSpam, 18 March 2022 - 07:19 AM.

[Jasrion Blastlehoffer]

Nooooo I hate 8vs8, please don't do away with 12vs12. The bigger the battle the better.

[Krizalius]

Pictor, on 18 March 2022 - 06:32 AM, said:

Of course its not.
Because you just ignored the information that was inconvenient for you and run away with sophistry (or indecipherable sentences that are not even sophomoric) all the time.
Goodbye.
He quoted a sentence that includes an example where the number of Assaults matched 5v1 at 8v8 testing match, but he doesn't mention to Assaults example it at all. It is too funny.

And where am I, if you whine? I'm not a whiner and I didn't cry because they turned on 8v8 but with the old unbalanced conditions from 12v12.
You didn't even come up with anything that would satisfy everyone.
You are so funny.
Please stop this... LOL

Edited by Krizalius, 18 March 2022 - 06:55 AM.

[Kalamar Sinn]

8x8 is terrible, please don't switch to this format, one of the nice things about MWO is you can have highly specialized mechs or generalists, with 8x8 specialized suffer too much and totally disbalances the weight divide, one team has no assaults', the other is almost all assaults', total disbalance. No good.

[Verustus]

Krizalius, on 18 March 2022 - 06:55 AM, said:

And where am I, if you whine? I'm not a whiner and I didn't cry because they turned on 8v8 but with the old unbalanced conditions from 12v12.
You didn't even come up with anything that would satisfy everyone.
You are so funny.
Please stop this... LOL

It is miserable that you are trying to make yourself look big by talking about yourself in the plural.

He is running away from the discussion by just ranting like this, but this clown insists that I am running away from the discussion.
And he admits the game is unbalanced, forgetting what he was running from.
Funny.

Edited by Pictor, 18 March 2022 - 07:07 AM.

[The Chancelor]

So, I made a few matches. Sorry, as a casual player I'm waiting for 12v12 again. 8v8 just puts me off.

[Krizalius]

Pictor, on 18 March 2022 - 07:04 AM, said:

It is miserable that you are trying to make yourself look big by talking about yourself in the plural.

He is running away from the discussion by just ranting like this, but this clown insists that I am running away from the discussion.
And he admits the game is unbalanced, forgetting what he was running from.
Funny.

Embrace self-love. Oh sorry.

[Verustus]

Krizalius, on 18 March 2022 - 07:10 AM, said:

Embrace self-love. Oh sorry.

You are introducing yourself.
When you inadvertently admit that the game is unbalanced, the conversation is over, so why don't you stop talking?
You, by the way, think you can just stick it out a few days and be done with it?

Edited by Pictor, 18 March 2022 - 07:21 AM.

[DangerousOne]

Developers proclaim the weekend of 8 vs 8.

The amount of stomps doubles.



To be fair I think it isn't that bad of an idea. 8 vs 8 from time to time would be nice to have brief change of pace and ad some spiciness.

[ScrapIron Prime]

An6ryMan69, on 17 March 2022 - 10:34 PM, said:

Okay, after a day off work and probably eight hours of straight QP in this 8v8 experiment I can say I absolutely hate it and I think its bad for the game.

Anyways, that's my two cents.

The most important thing is that you tested it. Folks can disagree on like/dislike, but testing it is what needs to be done. Awesome on you!

[ShootterMcGavin]

Glad for the experiment, although I know this was done way back when. However, there are too many factors working against 8v8, such as map design and size, tonnage restrictions, etc. I do appreciate the shorter queue times and slight change of gameplay for the time being, but I'll be happy to go back to 12v12

[P H O T O N]

ShootterMcGavin, on 18 March 2022 - 07:57 AM, said:

Glad for the experiment, although I know this was done way back when. However, there are too many factors working against 8v8, such as map design and size, tonnage restrictions, etc. I do appreciate the shorter queue times and slight change of gameplay for the time being, but I'll be happy to go back to 12v12

Queue times if anything have been much longer!

[Strelok7]

No need for permanent extremes. It does not have to be like "keep it 8 vs 8" or "make it 24 vs 24". Obviously everything is balanced towards the current 12 vs 12 setup (maps, armor, weapons)...

If it was votable on a round by round bases, I would:
8 vs 8 - has its perks, like end of the round cat and mouse chase - I would not vote for it most of the time though
12 vs 12 - good
16 vs 16 - intriguing - would be interesting to try out on bigger maps like polar, alpine, therma, tourmaline

P.S. on a different balance note: Unless you are running like a mindless heard, Skill Rating System does not like you. We demand more love for scouts, flankers, adventurers, cappers, sniper coverers !!



Happy Stomping!

Edited by Strelok7, 18 March 2022 - 11:26 AM.

[Surn]

Matt Newman, on 17 March 2022 - 09:35 AM, said:

We are working on a Feature called Event Mode Queue.
When we add the feature to the game we will be able to control Groups for the Event Mode Queue separately.
The current design will allow us to Force Groups, have smaller Groups, or no groups in the Event Mode Queue.

Please Keep in mind we are only doing this for this weekend

Thank you!

Allowing the 4 man groups in an 8v8 was the greatest idea since putting a spike protein in a vaccine. I am glad this issue can be resolved!

[CFC Conky]

Hello all,

While many players dislike the current version of 8v8, I believe we should all play some matches this weekend so the data sample is big enough to draw some conclusions.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[ScrapIron Prime]

Titan Prometheus, on 18 March 2022 - 08:16 AM, said:

Queue times if anything have been much longer!

I've had a mix. Insta drops on most matches, but a few that went 3-5 minutes with nothing, then insta-drop the next match.

[Sheridan Kosh]

Pre-made groups vs pick-up groups is the biggest issue I've seen in this so far.

Was there some sort of problem with having one mode for pick-up groups only and a different mode for pre-made groups only? It seems like the simplest solution for balancing by co-ordination. Tonnage balancing also seems to be a simple fix with no flaws my 5 seconds of thinking about it can find. when a group of 24 (or 16) players is found, sort the mechs by roughly equal tonnage on each side.

I'm sure there are some issues that aren't on the surface that makes this harder, but it's unbalanced enough that it can often feel un-fun.

I'll be probably be backing away from the game for the remaining duration of this event.

[Wolfgang Grenzstein]

Look, I understand you want to do this to help with the low playerbase so the matches start sooner.

If you do that you have to reinforce tonnage and no premades so the matches are actually winnable instead of death stomps - the past days have been insanely rough mmk?

If you want to expermient at least pretty please do not do it while running an event.

Edited by Wolfgang Grenzstein, 18 March 2022 - 09:03 AM.

[Gas Guzzler]

Cletus the Fighting Fetus, on 17 March 2022 - 07:23 PM, said:

Instead of getting all emotional about it, stop and realize it's a product with customers. We can choose to play and choose to purchase. If we don't like the game, game mode, etc. then we don't like it and don't have to play it. Simple. Not sure why this is such an emotional thing for you since it's just a video game unless you're one of those folks that feels the need to attack anyone that disagrees with you. You probably can't help yourself. It must be a tough way to go through life. Good luck with that.

L O L

I'm not the one throwing up my arms and saying I'm not playing because 8v8. If it was really about not using the product, no need to announce your departure. Certainly seems its more like clout seeking.

I'm also not the one saying "I want to group up with my friends and be able to club seals". If you don't see the entitlement in that then you'll never get it.