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[pattonesque]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 01:59 PM, said:

Your question is so naive, you're probably a new player, so I'm going to let it pass, and not point out how absurd and childish it is

I've actually been playing for about a year longer than you, according to jarl's list. but I guess we learned different things from our vast experience. Specifically, if you had good builds, you would perform better than a .93 WLR and a .47 KDR. what other metrics would you use to determine this?

[ScrapIron Prime]

pattonesque, on 23 March 2022 - 01:54 PM, said:

if this mech works so well then why do you lose more than you win and die WAY more often than you get kills

Let's leave Jarl's out of this. We can see he's Tier 5, we can see he has ideas out of the mainstream method of playing. If T5 is where he wants to stay, then let him. You'll pretty much never have to face him in game.

[pattonesque]

It's never your fault, is it

[ScrapIron Prime]

You know, just because this is the thread that wouldn't die... and just because I happen to have a spare Uziel 6P laying around thanks to this event... in good faith I've built it out, exactly as you've detailed... 155 STD engine, 2 ERLL, 2LL, 2ERML. Then I skilled it up, taking every Heat skill in both the Firepower and Operations tree.

An alpha strike heats the mech up to 68%, and it takes 20 seconds to cool to zero. If you swap out the ERLL for LL, you get rid of ghost heat and have a better matched armament, but it still takes you to 50% heat on an alpha and about 14 seconds to cool to zero afterward.

Slow and unable to fire rapidly is a bad combination my friend.

Now changing out the arm mounted large lasers for another set of ER mediums gives you the tonnage to upgrade to a Light 250 engine. Same loadout, much better heat management, very similar range response, faster mech. An alpha strike is 40% heat, cool to zero from that is 8 seconds, so you can alpha 4 times in a row before needing a little break. (And if you don't like jump jets, take them out and put the AMS back in.)

https://mwo.nav-alph...b99611e0_UZL-6P

Do look at it before you dismiss it, won't you?

Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 23 March 2022 - 04:27 PM.

[HGAK47]

Not a build that I would use myself but more power to you. Honestly its the lack of speed primarily that would put me off. If you enjoy playing that mech with that build then thats all that matters to be quite honest. This is a game after all. Some of us play to get better, some of us play for fun and some of us love meme builds for the lolz.

I dont like the side torso hit boxes on the uziel, that put me off the mech a lot to even begin with. However there is nothing wrong in at least hearing out other more experienced players. You might try something "meta" or something more ~serious~ and find that you like it a lot. Be openminded at least.

Edited by HGAK47, 23 March 2022 - 05:16 PM.

[pattonesque]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 06:09 PM, said:

Why special people like you come to the forum or anywhere really? But to answer your awesome question: it never is, I make sure of it, I do my best every time.

you intentionally run medium mechs which have the speed of assault mechs and can fire once every 20 seconds. You stopped trying your best in the mechlab. This makes your poor win rate and abysmal K/DR your fault and no one else's

[pattonesque]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 07:13 PM, said:

Again making ignorant and false conclusions: you don't know how I fire or how I play, stop being a bigmouth moron.

This Corsair I'm playing now is only 17/91 skills, and this just happened, here are the images and YouTube video:









https://youtu.be/Jrw3U7jmlxE

400 damage in an assault is not particularly pulling your weight (half your team did better than you did in AMS) and the fact that you consider it something to brag about is revelatory

[HGAK47]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 06:09 PM, said:

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@HGAK47 I'm open minded, the bunch of you are not much, for you all open minded is accepting playing your way, you should really check your "openmindedness"

Dude..... I was trying to be nice to you man and thats how you respond? lol

[ScrapIron Prime]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 06:09 PM, said:

@ScrapIron Prime OK dure, I'll check the build out, thanks, but I don't use and will never use a Light ot XL engines, they suckass

Don’t lump light and XL engines in the same category. One will kill you on a side torso destruction, one will not.

And really… a Corsair that only moves at 34kph? You don’t consider that a liability?

[pattonesque]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 08:23 PM, said:

It is, for whomever have the misfortune to not be fast enough and escape my aim, as you can see on the images and video But seriously: yes, I can't get away when 3 'mechs start shooting at me, and get shredded, lose components, but it has it's ups too: 741 dmg; you should ask the other pilots how their speed helped their assaults, heavies and mediums against me 1vs1

their speed probably helped them just fine, as you, permanently in Tier 5, lose more often than you win and die way more often than you kill, to the point where a 3-kill, 400 damage game is noteworthy to you as a good performance

[Kanil]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 08:23 PM, said:

I know but both have serious flaws that I don't like. Standard is 100% safe.

Losing a footrace to an UrbanMech with speed tweak is also a "serious flaw". If your 'mech is able to keep up with those "11 idiots that can't shoot the enemy straight to save their lives", you're probably a lot less likely to "get ambushed by 5+ rival 'mechs and destroy[ed]".

Or at the very least, the 11 idiots can prove useful in distracting four of those guys allowing you to fight the 1v1 your 'mech excels at.

Edited by Kanil, 23 March 2022 - 08:51 PM.

[Akamia Terizen]

Sergeant Unther, MechWarrior 2: Mercenaries said:

In real combat, speed is life. You go slow…you die.

Slow moving Corsair is one thing, but slow moving Uziel is a completely different beast. An Uziel is not going to have the survivability you need to make that slow engine worthwhile, Standard or not.

Yes, you’re trading some survivability when using a Light or XL engine, which most heavier ’Mechs cannot afford to lose and don’t need to. But lighter ’Mechs have different priorities. Playing a medium as though it’s an assault is going to lead to a bad time for you and for your team.

I’m in Tier 5 too. I’m not good at the game either. But a lesson I took to heart as far back as my MW4Mercs years is that, whatever wacky build you run, you should at least have something adequate. No one’s asking for a hardcore meta build; just something half-way sensible.

As a Clan player, I would advise you to reconsider the Light Engine. It’s not gonna save as much weight as either XL, but it has the same survivability as a Clan XL, and with the improved speed, you’ll be able to stay in the fight much longer.

Faster ’Mechs are better team players than you seem to think.

Edited by Akamia Terizen, 24 March 2022 - 02:45 AM.

[pattonesque]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 09:24 PM, said:

@pattonesque No it didn't, you missed the whole point, I killed them, or left them with lots of damage to their CT, 3-5 'mechs, yes I die, but my teammates finish them quickly thanks to me, we win the match; and you're so wrong about my stats, for a fact, that match stats help me; but entitled to your wrong opinion, might look bad, I don't care, that's your and some people opinion, obsessed with their performance, you're so insecure that you need to report to the World your performance, I don't, and I do a lot of experimentation with builds, you probably never, I pay a price, but I'm fine with it, at some point pays off; but insecure and OCD people like you go and copy-paste the best builds and theories you can get, and go running around like an armed chicken, get it? that's you, not me, you're so dense you still don't get it.

the only thing I've mentioned about my performance is correcting your assumption I was a new player You've been the one posting about your bad builds and poor stats over and over again. You lose matches more often than you win them so whatever you're doing is a net detriment to your team. You're like a dude in a pickup basketball game who refuses to shoot anything but half-court shots and is smug about hitting one of them per game.

[Akamia Terizen]

I’d also like to point out that your tier doesn’t tell the whole story, and I don’t think it has anything to do with win/loss by itself. It’s all about individual performance during a match, regardless of the outcome. I’ve lost games where my rating went up, and won games where my rating went down. For this reason, PSR has felt a bit mercurial at best in my experience.

But that’s a discussion for another thread; I’m sure it’s not a mystery to most of you regardless. That being said… You tend to win more often when you don’t die, or at least take a lot of people down with you if you do.

[Kanil]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 09:24 PM, said:

@Kanil not really, if you have 11 idiots with you, you're doomed.

Sure, but if you keep up with your 11 idiots, you're more likely to take one of your opponents down with you, than if you're so slow that your 11 idiots are all dead by the time you get to the front lines and you're now left fighting the remaining folks all by yourself. And sometimes when you only have like 7 idiots compared to the other team's 5 idiots, arriving at the battle in a timely fashion might allow you to tip the scales in your favor and compensate for your extra idiots.

Like seriously, you can swap your engine for a 275 LFE with DHS, run faster, have better cooling, and still be about as fast minus one torso as your STD 'mech is in pristine condition.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

yes is not funny to play with Sheeps , and he World full of Sheeps and in the other Extreme Position narcistic Gods
The Corsair Build is better, very slow and more a Turret , a effective Turret for holding Positions in Urban Maps like Solaris ,by other maps its more a problem thats you not come to the Team before its dead.

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 24 March 2022 - 03:30 AM.

[VeeOt Dragon]

honestly am currently running mine as follows.

Uziel-6P (2 LLs, 4 MLs, 1 AMS (1t ammo), 1 JJ running an LE-280 with 4 DHS and full armor -8pts each leg (Endo and LFF)

i was running ER LLs but it ran a bit to toasty so i downgraded. the single JJ is enough for some hill humping or to get over thos pesky ledges to keep mobility. as for the AMS i might be removing it in favor of another DHS. i try to AMS on any mech with the slot if i can but the Uziel is rather starved for tonnage like most IS all energy mechs.

as for the OP's build yeah needs more speed and there is the Ghost heat problem. since ER LL and standard LL run on the same HSL i would go with one or the other. i'm the last person to get on anyone for their build, if you are effective and having fun thats all that matters. downgrading to 3 LLs and replacing the one with with a ML will give you extra tonnage to upgrade the engine. one thing i do approve of that others might not is that you actually have some back armor on there (less than i usually do with 8pts in the sides and 10pts in the center on my Uziel)

[MyriadDigits]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 07:13 PM, said:

Again making ignorant and false conclusions: you don't know how I fire or how I play, stop being a bigmouth moron.

https://youtu.be/Jrw3U7jmlxE

Half of your damage in that match was brainless farming of a static mech I almost thought was a disconnect. In fact, bragging about that kill is pretty much on par with bragging about farming an actual disconnect.

The other two kills were scratch damage that happened to fall on the enemy's CT at the right time to award a kill credit. Most of the rest of the damage you dealt to moving targets was spread so horribly that is wasn't really a noteworthy contribution.

You're chainfiring the AC2s, but not even spam clicking, so you're wasting almost 3 AC2s worth of DPS. So not only are you incredibly slow, but you've got 18 tons of dead weight.

By the time you got to the fight the "11 idiots" on your team had already started the stomp match snowball by killing a quarter of the enemy team by the time you got a chance to even shoot something.

Your sensitivity is was too high, which is why "small wrist movements" throw your aim wider than an entire mech. You could expect to hit targets, or even focus specific components, a whole lot more if you cranked the sensitivity way down.

Additionally, the vast majority of your firepower (even when considering the fact that 3 AC2s are doing nothing), is arm mounted, but you aren't unlocking your arms. Unlocked arms are significantly more responsive, though given the fact that you probably have the default max sensitivity this is somewhat forgivable.

You did a pirouette in the middle of the map (presumably looking for the flanking enemies that plague you for very obvious reasons), even though the slightest bit of map awareness would've told you that the entire rest of the enemy team was already visible and engaged.

[martian]

technopredator, on 23 March 2022 - 04:14 PM, said:

go driving like a maniac in a 150+ Kph light killing half the rival team from behind or running around: it's chickenshit tactics but a allowed playstyle in the end.

The right thread for complaining that light 'Mechs are OP is here: Light Mechs Are Screwed Up

[ScrapIron Prime]

I will say after watching the two videos you have up on your channel, its not bad gameplay. I could nit pick firing ER smalls beyond their maximum range or chain firing AC/2's, but those are not points on their own. Where you're handicapping yourself, as we've tried to point out, is in the Mech Lab. You don't have to build meta or build best, but you could build better.