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[w0qj]

Dear MWO,
So why is the Standard Variant CT better than the Special Variant CT?
Don't MWO want us to buy Special Variant?

Must I buy DWF-A (CT quirk: -5% Heat; +10% Velocity), Standard Variant for CBills?

I want to buy: DWF-UV (CT quirk: -2.5% Heat; +10% Velocity), Special Variant for MC.

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Propose: DWF-UV (CT quirk: -5% Heat; +10% Velocity)

Edited by w0qj, 04 June 2022 - 11:22 AM.

[Heavy Money]

w0qj, on 04 June 2022 - 11:22 AM, said:

Dear MWO,
So why is the Standard Variant CT better than the Special Variant CT?
Don't MWO want us to buy Special Variant?

Must I buy DWF-A (CT quirk: -5% Heat; +10% Velocity), Standard Variant for CBills?

I want to buy: DWF-UV (CT quirk: -2.5% Heat; +10% Velocity), Special Variant for MC.

- - - - - - - - - - -
Propose: DWF-UV (CT quirk: -5% Heat; +10% Velocity)

DWF-UV comes with arms that unlock a bunch of nice ballistic loadouts. Its CT is weaker so that it doesn't negate any purpose to get the A.

[Nightbird]

This game is pay to lose, it's normal for free variants to outperform heros.

[Zeddicuus]

Nightbird, on 04 June 2022 - 12:41 PM, said:

This game is pay to lose, it's normal for free variants to outperform heros.

In a way, that's good. That way it's not Pay-to-Win, which is not a good thing to have going on in your game. Options, good. What feels like a mandatory purchase, bad.

I'd be more concerned if it felt like you absolutely had to buy the Hero version in order to assemble a viable mech.

[Kanil]

Zeddicuus, on 04 June 2022 - 01:31 PM, said:

In a way, that's good. That way it's not Pay-to-Win, which is not a good thing to have going on in your game. Options, good. What feels like a mandatory purchase, bad.

I'd be more concerned if it felt like you absolutely had to buy the Hero version in order to assemble a viable mech.

In this case it's pretty bad though, you're buying the 'mech specifically not to use it and just strip the omnipods off and slap them on a new 'mech.

It's still "pay to win" because you can't run the build without buying the hero 'mech, but it's also bad because you don't even get to use the hero 'mech you bought.

Edit: I guess technically the UV gets a missile hardpoint, so you're just doing it wrong by not building it as a LRM boat, lol.

Edited by Kanil, 04 June 2022 - 02:24 PM.

[D V Devnull]

Kanil, on 04 June 2022 - 02:17 PM, said:

In this case it's pretty bad though, you're buying the 'mech specifically not to use it and just strip the omnipods off and slap them on a new 'mech.

It's still "pay to win" because you can't run the build without buying the hero 'mech, but it's also bad because you don't even get to use the hero 'mech you bought.

Edit: I guess technically the UV gets a missile hardpoint, so you're just doing it wrong by not building it as a LRM boat, lol.

What about just coming up with some random build that could merely benefit from providing extra (C-Bills) after a Match has been played? I think that's one of the primary reasons for the Hero-type Mechs and their very existence?

~D. V. "Maybe it's not the Mech's attributes, but the mere Variant itself which makes for being worth it?" Devnull

[Aidan Crenshaw]

the DWF-UV CT has a missile hardpoint that the -A has not. The better quirk is there to compensate that.

[LordNothing]

you dont buy an ultraviolent for its quirks, you buy it to be the only mech in the game with 8 ac2s.

[LordNothing]

Kanil, on 04 June 2022 - 02:17 PM, said:

In this case it's pretty bad though, you're buying the 'mech specifically not to use it and just strip the omnipods off and slap them on a new 'mech.

It's still "pay to win" because you can't run the build without buying the hero 'mech, but it's also bad because you don't even get to use the hero 'mech you bought.

Edit: I guess technically the UV gets a missile hardpoint, so you're just doing it wrong by not building it as a LRM boat, lol.

or you can stack your event mc and get it for free.

anyway when the ecm dire came out i moved my ballistic omnipods over to it and turned my ultraviolet into a maximum atm build. its stupid but it works.

Edited by LordNothing, 07 June 2022 - 04:07 AM.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

no matter how you look at it: it's still BAD gamedesign that you get 'punished' for using a suboptimal CT, and in this case one you paid real/"event"-money for.

and for arguments sake: if the missile-slot is worth the bad quirks, they should flat-out remove it and adjust the quirks.
NOBODY is buying an UltravioleNt for that missile slot in the first place.

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 07 June 2022 - 04:33 AM.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

We're talking 5% here. That doesn't make or break a build.

[Kanil]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 07 June 2022 - 07:58 AM, said:

We're talking 5% here. That doesn't make or break a build.

So bad game design is okay, as long as it's only a little bad game design?

[TheCaptainJZ]

If you don't like it...don't buy it.

I'm glad they don't quirk things based on what's a hero mech or not.

Besides quirks today could be gone tomorrow so it's pretty irrelevant to argue on those.

Edited by TheCaptainJZ, 07 June 2022 - 10:04 AM.

[kalashnikity]

LordNothing, on 07 June 2022 - 03:57 AM, said:

you dont buy an ultraviolent for its quirks, you buy it to be the only mech in the game with 8 ac2s.

And you buy the "C" so you have a jump jet and ecm in the CT of your 8 x dakka...

[Nightbird]

Zeddicuus, on 04 June 2022 - 01:31 PM, said:

In a way, that's good. That way it's not Pay-to-Win, which is not a good thing to have going on in your game. Options, good. What feels like a mandatory purchase, bad.

I'd be more concerned if it felt like you absolutely had to buy the Hero version in order to assemble a viable mech.

If paid mechs are equal to free mechs, it's not pay-to-win, but if paid mechs are worse than free mechs, it means no revenue and stalled game development. I'll leave it to you to figure out of this is bad or not...

Applies to Heros, (S) variants in mech packs, etc.

[Meep Meep]

I thought that the methodology for hero mechs in mwo was more as a lore mech for the bt lore fanatics to have something warm and cuddly to hold instead of a straight up pay to win mech? This seems to hold out because some hero mechs are just meh or even bleh.

[Nightbird]

Meep Meep, on 07 June 2022 - 10:51 AM, said:

I thought that the methodology for hero mechs in mwo was more as a lore mech for the bt lore fanatics to have something warm and cuddly to hold instead of a straight up pay to win mech? This seems to hold out because some hero mechs are just meh or even bleh.

Are the options only "meh or bleh" or "pay to win"? Is being just as good as free mechs not an option? And why?

[Kanil]

TheCaptainJZ, on 07 June 2022 - 10:03 AM, said:

If you don't like it...don't buy it.

Problem is if people don't buy stuff, the game stops existing.

I mean my friend asked me if the Predator pack was worth buying, so I listed off some new builds made available by the pack, then stressed that he wouldn't actually be using the fancy (S) 'mech that the pack comes with, he'd just be pulling the omnipods off it and slapping them on a better CT. He then decided to just wait for the C-Bill release.

I'll give PGI credit for having the platinum skin be available chassis wide, at least. If only they'd do that for more stuff...

Edited by Kanil, 07 June 2022 - 02:07 PM.

[w0qj]

I'm on the market for 4x Dire Wolf non-ECM CT for MWO gaming QoL (Quality of Life); one of my favorite mech.

Just bought a DWF-A mech during the last hours of this current mech sale, to give its CT a test spin.

FYI, I already own 2x DWF-UV hero mechs for arm parts.

I've previously planned two (2x) additional DWF-UV for above reasons.

If this new DWF-A purchase works out like I think it would (-5% heat, +10% velocity), then I might buy three (3x) additional DWF-A mechs instead, and cancel this proposed 2x DWF-UV additional purchase.

Surely CT of DWF-UV hero mech should be at least as powerful as DWF-A CT, no?

w0qj, on 04 June 2022 - 11:22 AM, said:

Dear MWO,
So why is the Standard Variant CT better than the Special Variant CT?
Don't MWO want us to buy Special Variant?

Must I buy DWF-A (CT quirk: -5% Heat; +10% Velocity), Standard Variant for CBills?

I want to buy: DWF-UV (CT quirk: -2.5% Heat; +10% Velocity), Special Variant for MC.

- - - - - - - - - - -
Propose: DWF-UV (CT quirk: -5% Heat; +10% Velocity)

Edited by w0qj, 07 June 2022 - 09:34 PM.

[LordNothing]

Kanil, on 07 June 2022 - 09:53 AM, said:

So bad game design is okay, as long as it's only a little bad game design?

you must be new, this whole castle was built on sand.

frankly though the dire has so many good builds that i find this whole thread a bit of a weak nitpick.

Edited by LordNothing, 07 June 2022 - 09:27 PM.