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[feeWAIVER]

ccrider, on 02 August 2022 - 09:35 AM, said:

Whether or not Catalyst made a mistake, the fact that he mentioned conservative, right-wing, leftie, woke etc. so many times in his interview tells me that he was unable to leave his politics out of his work life. I personally don't care what his political leanings are but a fair number of people have managed to make their political leanings their entire personality and everyone, especially at his age, was taught that politics, religion and sports were not places to go at work. Those topics create the most divisive arguments, so you just leave it at home. If you wanna go out in your private time and endorse a candidate with a vague "I think they'd be best for the country moving forward", people might disagree but it's not gonna really offend too many people. If you keep saying things where it seems like your dividing customers by their political leanings and valuing one side more than the other, your alienating people and costing your employer money. Catalyst is a company; they don't give two shits out left-wing or right-wing customers. They just want people to buy their stuff, regardless of how they vote in elections. That was his mistake; it would be a mistake for me if I did that at work and I'd probably suffer the same fate. Although I don't post my politics anywhere so I mitigate that risk.

Isn't that exactly what he did? He left it out of his Battletech books.
He had a Twitter account, and he wrote political books for another publisher.
And he was harassed and harangued for it, until corporate threw him under the bus.

Is that not happened?

I get the strong impression that half the people in this thread cheered when Gina Carano got fired too.

Edited by feeWAIVER, 02 August 2022 - 11:02 AM.

[ccrider]

feeWAIVER, on 02 August 2022 - 10:56 AM, said:

Isn't that exactly what he did? He left it out of his Battletech books.
He had a Twitter account, and he wrote political books for another publisher.
And he was harassed and harangued for it, until corporate threw him under the bus.

Is that not happened?

I get the strong impression that half the people in this thread cheered when Gina Carano got fired too.

Writing books for another publisher probably wasn't an issue. But people, especially of a certain age, tend to make fun of young people being on their phones too much and then immediately jump online to post things they absolutely shouldn't in a public area. Whether or not he believes certain things about certain political acts, etc isn't an issue. Puking them out into a very public place is. I'm pretty sure most if us in these forums are smart enough not to go on rants about politics in public arenas that could embarrass our employers; at his age, he should know this as well. And to be fair, I really don't care either way; Battletech books were amusing when I was much younger but honestly most are pretty poorly written and haven't been good since like the warrior series so I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm just kinda sick of people doing obviously dumb **** and then feeling victimized when they face consequences. It boils down to: have your own views, just resist the urge to puke them out into every public space you find and you'll be fine. If not, and something happens, don't cry about it. It's pretty simple.

[feeWAIVER]

ccrider, on 02 August 2022 - 01:01 PM, said:

And to be fair, I really don't care either way;

After the amount of characters you've typed in this thread, I just don't believe this for a second.
Clearly, you've staked a claim with your tribe.

In other news, the woke mob is now wanting to cancel Beyonce for using the ableist word "spaz" in a song.
She was swiftly cowed, and announced she will remove the word. I guess she shoulda kept her mouth shut, too, ya?

[ScrapIron Prime]

ccrider, on 02 August 2022 - 09:35 AM, said:

Whether or not Catalyst made a mistake, the fact that he mentioned conservative, right-wing, leftie, woke etc. so many times in his interview tells me that he was unable to leave his politics out of his work life..

Thats the entire issue. In his capacity of representing the company and its product, he did not leave his personal political views out of it. The company, in taking a neutral stance so as not to alienate customers, asked him to dial it back a notch. When he refused, they let him go, pointing at an HR policy or contract as they did so and making the calculation that they’ll lose less business by sticking to a quiet non-partisan stance.

it’s not like these studio-style in-house novels were unique works. Pardoe will be succeeded by the next underpaid hack that applies for the job.

[ccrider]

feeWAIVER, on 02 August 2022 - 02:33 PM, said:

After the amount of characters you've typed in this thread, I just don't believe this for a second.
Clearly, you've staked a claim with your tribe.

In other news, the woke mob is now wanting to cancel Beyonce for using the ableist word "spaz" in a song.
She was swiftly cowed, and announced she will remove the word. I guess she shoulda kept her mouth shut, too, ya?


My tribe is irrelevant. He did what most older folks accuse young people of; spent too much time online talking about things that could embarrass his employer. I taught my kids not to do that. There's 0 reason a man older than me shouldn't know that as well. It's common sense.

[ccrider]

There's the danger of typing on my phone; I put my reply in your quote.

[evil kerensky]

this is catalyst were talking about. their generally pretty chill about things, and have a history of being reasonable people.
their pr statement on the matter uses corporate speak to say "something he did/posted online caused us to let him go"
others in here and on other bt sites have mentioned he has a history of going at it with fans who show disapproval of his work


those 3 facts together lead me to believe this isnt the woke mob coming at him like he seems to say it is. its much more likely just another old man who doesnt get how the internet works. my 70 yr olf dad has the same problem. the boomer generation just doesnt get that every thought you have doesnt need to go on the internet, because the bad ones will be remembered and amplified. sometimes in a way that has lasting consequences. its sad, but its how the world works now.

[pbiggz]

feeWAIVER, on 02 August 2022 - 10:56 AM, said:

Isn't that exactly what he did? He left it out of his Battletech books.
He had a Twitter account, and he wrote political books for another publisher.
And he was harassed and harangued for it, until corporate threw him under the bus.

Is that not happened?

I work for a city. If i started posting things on the internet about the mayor, what do you think would happen to my job? Accountability.
Blaine Pardoe had a soap box from his writing work and he used it to be an attack dog for the right wing. He made it impossible for CGL to ignore it. Ergo, accountability. You have a right to free speech in the USA, but rights come with responsibilities. You can say what you want. You bear the consequences of saying it if you do. Accountability accountability accountability.

feeWAIVER, on 02 August 2022 - 10:56 AM, said:

I get the strong impression that half the people in this thread cheered when Gina Carano got fired too.

Gina Carano was posting protocols of the elders of zion level conspiracy ****. You don't get to use free speech to smuggle {Godwin's Law} rhetoric into the public square.

[ccrider]

pbiggz, on 03 August 2022 - 10:16 AM, said:

I work for a city. If i started posting things on the internet about the mayor, what do you think would happen to my job? Accountability.
Blaine Pardoe had a soap box from his writing work and he used it to be an attack dog for the right wing. He made it impossible for CGL to ignore it. Ergo, accountability. You have a right to free speech in the USA, but rights come with responsibilities. You can say what you want. You bear the consequences of saying it if you do. Accountability accountability accountability.



Gina Carano was posting protocols of the elders of zion level conspiracy ****. You don't get to use free speech to smuggle {Godwin's Law} rhetoric into the public square.

This is fact; you can believe whatever stupid dogshit conspiracy theories you want. But when you go into a public spot, (i.e. Twitter) and spew them out you put not only yourself in the spotlight but your employer as well. My employer is obviously not as well-known as Catalyst or especially Disney, but I would still face consequences for saying stupid/inflammatory or downright dangerously false things on the internet. If you work for a large corporation you have an out-sized reach compared to most of us. Your message reaches more people and you can be guaranteed that some will disagree with you. At this point, if you don't ask yourself "is it a good move to post this stuff" it's on you when you get canned. Let's not forget, conservative mantra is "personal responsibility" when it comes to poor people. I'm not sure how that mantra gets forgotten when a "conservative" does something dumb and gets punished.

Edited by ccrider, 03 August 2022 - 10:27 AM.

[feeWAIVER]

pbiggz, on 03 August 2022 - 10:16 AM, said:

Gina Carano was posting protocols of the elders of zion level conspiracy ****. You don't get to use free speech to smuggle {Godwin's Law} rhetoric into the public square.

That's funny, her coworker Pedro Pascal made the exact same type of posts, and he wasn't fired, he was given more work.
The funny part is that accountability only swings one direction.

The good news is that the pendulum is swinging back.
Bean counters are realizing that everything woke turns to sh!t.
That's why the CW was sold. CNN is in the dumps. DC and Marvel Comics are both going through editorial restructuring.
Star Trek has learned from STD and Picard, and corrected course with SNW.

And most recently, Warner Bros just put 90 million into a Batgirl movie that they decided to completely scrap because they realized it would hurt the brand.

[ccrider]

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 10:51 AM, said:

That's funny, her coworker Pedro Pascal made the exact same type of posts, and he wasn't fired, he was given more work.
The funny part is that accountability only swings one direction.

The good news is that the pendulum is swinging back.
Bean counters are realizing that everything woke turns to sh!t.
That's why the CW was sold. CNN is in the dumps. DC and Marvel Comics are both going through editorial restructuring.
Star Trek has learned from STD and Picard, and corrected course with SNW.

And most recently, Warner Bros just put 90 million into a Batgirl movie that they decided to completely scrap because they realized it would hurt the brand.

What is "woke" though; a movie starring a woman superhero? The fact that Marvel has a dip after losing its most marketable actor isn't a sign of a pendulum swing it's just common sense. Robert Downey Jr was easily the most popular actor in every Marvel movie. Chris Evans was fantastic as Captain America. Losing them was bound to show in ticket receipts. Phase 4 also didn't have a big bad like Thanos to drive the plot. Phase 5 has Kang to bind the story together and will probably result in a rebound. And CNN has never had the numbers Fox does; though to be fair, Fox won't have those numbers either in about 10-20 years. Their main audience is decidedly older than most networks.

Real talk; I'd rather be discussing how PGI has completely screwed up CW/FP but since nothing is ever gonna happen to fix it, I guess these types of conversations are what I'm stuck with to kill time.

Edited by ccrider, 03 August 2022 - 11:23 AM.

[feeWAIVER]

ccrider, on 03 August 2022 - 11:02 AM, said:

What is "woke" though; a movie starring a woman superhero? The fact that Marvel has a dip after losing its most marketable actor isn't a sign of a pendulum swing it's just common sense. Robert Downey Jr was easily the most popular actor in every Marvel movie. Chris Evans was fantastic as Captain America. Losing them was bound to show in ticket receipts. Phase 4 also didn't have a big bad like Thanos to drive the plot. Phase 5 has Kang to bind the story together and will probably result in a rebound. And CNN has never had the numbers Fox does; though to be fair, Fox won't have those numbers either in about 10-20 years. Their main audience is decidedly older than most networks.

Real talk; I'd rather be discussing how PGI has completely screwed up CW/FP but since nothing is ever gonna happen to fix it, I guess these types of conversations are what I'm stuck with to kill time.

Batgirl is DC, not Marvel.
Woke is post-modern intersectional politics.

[ccrider]

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 01:16 PM, said:

Batgirl is DC, not Marvel.
Woke is post-modern intersectional politics.

Is that the one that was supposed to have Brendan Fraser as Firefly in it? Cause if so, that's ******. Brendan Fraser is the **** and that woulda been cool to see. His costume looked excellent.

[feeWAIVER]

ccrider, on 03 August 2022 - 02:01 PM, said:

Is that the one that was supposed to have Brendan Fraser as Firefly in it? Cause if so, that's ******. Brendan Fraser is the **** and that woulda been cool to see. His costume looked excellent.

Yep.

[pbiggz]

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 10:51 AM, said:

That's funny, her coworker Pedro Pascal made the exact same type of posts, and he wasn't fired, he was given more work.
The funny part is that accountability only swings one direction.

I did, literally, 30 seconds of googling, and it looks like Pedro Pascal once compared Trump supporters to confederates and {Godwin's Law}. I don't like that attitude. Its typically, contemptuously liberal, and its not an attitude people should have when they're trying to not lose elections forever and alienate vast parts of the population, but its not even remotely, similar to insinuating that the jews are planning to destroy america, which is what Carano was doing.

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 10:51 AM, said:

The good news is that the pendulum is swinging back.
Bean counters are realizing that everything woke turns to sh!t.

There's no such thing as woke culture. There is no such thing as cancel culture. This is buzzword culture war drivel meant to rile up people who don't know better so they'll vote against their own self interest or else.

People can't be nakedly hateful in public, and with the newfound ubiquity of social media, what's considered public encompasses far more of one's life than it used to. That's why you see public figures make spectacularly stupid claims, then crumple under them. It used to be you could say alot of **** in public, but nobody would ever find out if you were having a tasteless conversation at a pub in Butte Montana. Post it on twitter instead, and suddenly everyone and their mother can see it.

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 10:51 AM, said:

That's why the CW was sold. CNN is in the dumps. DC and Marvel Comics are both going through editorial restructuring.
Star Trek has learned from STD and Picard, and corrected course with SNW.

You're allowed to not like some works of fiction. Its not all made for you. I don't even like discovery. The difference between us is that you're determined to craft some vast all encompassing conspiracy to explain why you don't like new fiction, im just willing to accept its not for me.

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 10:51 AM, said:

And most recently, Warner Bros just put 90 million into a Batgirl movie that they decided to completely scrap because they realized it would hurt the brand.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited by pbiggz, 03 August 2022 - 02:18 PM.

[feeWAIVER]

pbiggz, on 03 August 2022 - 02:17 PM, said:

I did, literally, 30 seconds of googling, and it looks like Pedro Pascal once compared Trump supporters to confederates and {Godwin's Law}. I don't like that attitude. Its typically, contemptuously liberal, and its not an attitude people should have when they're trying to not lose elections forever and alienate vast parts of the population, but its not even remotely, similar to insinuating that the jews are planning to destroy america, which is what Carano was doing.

Maybe do more than 30 seconds of googling.
You are completely clueless. Please explain how Gina is "insinuating that the jews are planning to destroy america"




Pascal on the other hand...

Edited by feeWAIVER, 03 August 2022 - 02:35 PM.

[feeWAIVER]

pbiggz, on 03 August 2022 - 02:17 PM, said:

There's no such thing as woke culture. There is no such thing as cancel culture. This is buzzword culture war drivel meant to rile up people who don't know better so they'll vote against their own self interest or else.

I'd like to introduce you to myself, JK Rowling, Tim Allen, Gina Carano, Joe Rogan, Roseanne Barr, Norm MacDonald, and to stay on topic, Blaine Lee Pardoe.

Edited by feeWAIVER, 03 August 2022 - 02:54 PM.

[pbiggz]

Honestly I didn't expect you to make this so easy. She literally posted this ****.

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 02:34 PM, said:

Maybe do more than 30 seconds of googling.
You are completely clueless. Please explain how Gina is "insinuating that the jews are planning to destroy america"

This one is honestly even more insidious because its doublespeak (which is like, the main thing with fascists). It insinuates that the first pogroms in germany were instigated by regular people, and not by the {Godwin's Law}. It implies the {Godwin's Law} were more or less caught up in the moment, rather than the truth, which is that they created the moment themselves. It's supposed to confuse, and at least partially absolve them of direct blame. It doesn't, not completely, but that doesn't matter because you can't debate a fascist, they just move the goal posts. This one also calls into question the reliability of historical documents, implying that they've been doctored, which begets the question "who would do that?"

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 02:34 PM, said:

Pascal on the other hand...

Pascal on the other hand is being a liberal. He's comparing the american new right to the {Godwin's Law} and the confederates, as we pointed out above, and as I said above, this is not even remotely on the same level as {Godwin's Law} apologia, and anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Suggesting they are is a false equivalence which I am not going to let go unchallenged.

Edited by pbiggz, 03 August 2022 - 02:57 PM.

[feeWAIVER]

pbiggz, on 03 August 2022 - 02:54 PM, said:

Honestly I didn't expect you to make this so easy. She literally posted this ****.

You think this is an IWIN button, or something? I don't see that as antisemitic I see that as anti-ruling class, that fact that you perceive it that way probably says more about you.

And your attempts at justifying below that are just as gross. You think her calls to love your neighbor at a time when the capital was wrapped in razor wire and the new government and media were calling half the country {Godwin's Law} and domestic terrorists was just "double speak"? And you think I'm the conspiracy guy?

Edited by feeWAIVER, 03 August 2022 - 03:09 PM.

[ccrider]

feeWAIVER, on 03 August 2022 - 02:53 PM, said:

I'd like to introduce you to myself, JK Rowling, Tim Allen, Gina Carano, Joe Rogan, Roseanne Barr, Norm MacDonald, and to stay on topic, Blaine Lee Pardoe.

Roseanne Barr: says racist stuff, blames it on her meds. J.K. Rowling: fighting an insane war against transgender people who will never hurt her. Uses the term "Terf" unironically. Tim Allen: says some pretty weird stuff about Jan 6th. Joe Rogan: spreads lots of lies about Covid vaccines. Blaine Lee Pardoe: also says really questionable things about Jan. 6th.

You WANT to be associated with them?