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[VixNix]

Still going to tilt at windmills here, there is no legitimate need to have all chat "T", there is at least one reason to remove "T", people break ToS by reporting location, the proper response to inactive player is to report the player, NO "T" required for that to happen as the only people who should be doing that is team mates...

I use the term "TEAM" losely.

[VixNix]

Either the number of reports required to look into an incident needs to be reduced to one for this or the ability to use "T" all talk when dead needs to be removed.

[VixNix]

Why is there even a debate on this, it would not be the first time PGI (or any company) has made a change to prevent violations

especially needed as they don't even investigate unless the magic number of reports is submitted

[VixNix]

Et canes ad lapsum de bello.

Edited by VixNix, 27 February 2023 - 09:31 AM.

[Necroconvict]

What the hell are you doing that people are giving away your position all the time? Sounds fishy. The only time I see people giving away the position of others is when they are simply hiding because they don't want to die like the rest of their team, or they crashed and never came back... afk. Never have I seen a location given of someone actively trying to do the objective of holding points, or killing mechs. Just as mentioned AFK, players crashed out, or people shutting down so they won't be found. Nothing like being stuck in a game for 7 minutes because someone found a sweet hiding spot. 23 mechs held out of the next game they could launch into. :'(

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 28 February 2023 - 12:10 AM, said:

What the hell are you doing that people are giving away your position all the time? Sounds fishy. The only time I see people giving away the position of others is when they are simply hiding because they don't want to die like the rest of their team, or they crashed and never came back... afk. Never have I seen a location given of someone actively trying to do the objective of holding points, or killing mechs. Just as mentioned AFK, players crashed out, or people shutting down so they won't be found. Nothing like being stuck in a game for 7 minutes because someone found a sweet hiding spot. 23 mechs held out of the next game they could launch into. :'(

Playing the game.

No one is allowed to give away position, period.
That is a violation of ToS.

If someone is doing what you said then the team they are on should report them, not give away the position.

SO you admit to seeing people break ToS and are okay with it.

This is why "T" all chat should not be allowed for dead players.

[Necroconvict]

Oh see i think they need to amend the ToS then, to encourage the dead to use T for those violators. I'll make that suggestion later. Thanks, you're so against it, for obvious reasons, that I think we push for a change to stop those people cold in their tracks. T chat for days, even highlight it for the dead. Let the angels speak!

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 28 February 2023 - 09:12 AM, said:

Oh see i think they need to amend the ToS then, to encourage the dead to use T for those violators. I'll make that suggestion later. Thanks, you're so against it, for obvious reasons, that I think we push for a change to stop those people cold in their tracks. T chat for days, even highlight it for the dead. Let the angels speak!

I'm so against it because it keeps people from playing the game.
Giving away location makes it hard to sneak up on lone players when people like you give away the position.

[sosegado]

Imho: giving away the location of an active player is no less of a TK than if you pulled the trigger yourself.

Whether you agree with how they choose to play out the remainder of their drop time or not.

We all sign up for the same 15 minute lock on our mechs when we drop.

Just because other team members didn't carefully utilize the time given in the match and got their mech killed early is no reason to crap on the mech(s) left alive.

[VixNix]

Stab Wound, on 01 March 2023 - 01:09 PM, said:

Imho: giving away the location of an active player is no less of a TK than if you pulled the trigger yourself.

Whether you agree with how they choose to play out the remainder of their drop time or not.

We all sign up for the same 15 minute lock on our mechs when we drop.

Just because other team members didn't carefully utilize the time given in the match and got their mech killed early is no reason to crap on the mech(s) left alive.

Agree!

[Necroconvict]

VixNix, on 28 February 2023 - 09:29 AM, said:

I'm so against it because it keeps people from playing the game.
Giving away location makes it hard to sneak up on lone players when people like you give away the position.

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Code of Conduct said:[/color]
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NON-PARTICIPATION


Out of all the Code of Conduct guidelines, the interpretation of what constitutes non-participation is probably the most commonly debated.
The purpose of the information below is to clarify our policies on non-participation, and to outline what can be classified as non-participation.
Going AFK (away from keyboard)
The absence of even one player in a match can directly impact the playing experience and level of enjoyment for all other players in that match. Initiating the search for a match should be seen as an unspoken commitment to all other players who will be placed into the same match.
We completely understand that life goes on regardless of your participation in a game, but walking away from the computer or alt+tabbing out to browse the internet after initiating a match and not returning in time to provide meaningful assistance to your teammates are considered acts of non-participation.
Shutting Down your ‘Mech or avoiding engagements with the enemy, and when doing so might be considered non-participation
All pilots have access to a Shutdown command for their ‘Mechs, mapped by default to the ‘P’ key and listed as ‘Toggle Power’ in the keyboard menu.
The primary benefit to shutting down your ‘Mech is that it will no longer appear on enemy radar. In the deciding moments of a close match with few ‘Mechs left standing on the battlefield, effective use of the shutdown mechanic and/or evasion tactics has the potential to provide you with the following benefits:

• Breaking a target lock
  
• Appearing ‘heat neutral’ on maps where Thermal Vision might commonly be used
  
• Presenting on opportunity for staging an ambush
  
• Evading detection long enough to secure a win through Conquest points
  
• Evading detection long enough to secure a timer expiration win when you have superior numbers, in circumstances where you may be too critically damaged to otherwise risk a direct engagement with the enemy

The above situations are considered to be within the scope of what the shutdown mechanic or evasion tactics are intended to be used for.
There are situations that do not fall within the scope of what the shutdown mechanic or evasion tactics are intended for. The use of the shutdown mechanic or avoiding contact with the enemy under the following situations may be classed as an act of non-participation, subject to evaluation and moderation actions by Support services:

• Ceasing to meaningfully contribute for the remainder of the match if you still have support equipment, useful modules, or weapons (with any necessary ammo) available. Losing your primary weapon is not an acceptable excuse for hiding and/or shutting down if you still have a secondary weapon, a support-based item such as a TAG, or a consumable module available for use.
  
• Running out the clock, or needlessly extending the duration of the match, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory.
  
• Running out the clock or needlessly extending the duration of a Faction Play match in an attempt to keep a particular group or Unit in the current engagement for as long as possible, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory, is not considered an acceptable tactic.

Disliking a map or game mode or attempting to preserve a player statistic such as Kill/Death Ratio are not acceptable excuses for non-participation.[/color]

These are the type of people that I'm completely ok with people calling out, and think the TOS should be changed to reflect it. If you're actively playing, and pursing the win in some fashion, fantastic. If you're looking for the ultimate hiding spot to shut down, and walk away to crap, holding everyone else up, burn. The greater good of the rest of the players over your pride of not dying. That player likely wasn't participating with the team in the first place.. regardless, burn in mech hell.

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 03 March 2023 - 03:11 AM, said:

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These are the type of people that I'm completely ok with people calling out, and think the TOS should be changed to reflect it. If you're actively playing, and pursing the win in some fashion, fantastic. If you're looking for the ultimate hiding spot to shut down, and walk away to crap, holding everyone else up, burn. The greater good of the rest of the players over your pride of not dying. That player likely wasn't participating with the team in the first place.. regardless, burn in mech hell.

Unless or until the ToS is changed it is a violation to give away a "team mates" location.

Reporting could still be done by "team mates" on those breaking other ToS.

Remove "T" all chat and eliminate the ability to break that ToS.

[Meep Meep]

I often run out the clock my fle20 as last mech standing and no one has yet to give away my position and this happens multiple times a play session. But its obvious to my team that I'm using speed and terrain to evade incoming fire and spit some back out and it generates additional kills and sometimes a win. So what exactly are ~you~ doing that makes your team give out your position over and over? Doesn't really sound like they think you are trying to win the game and instead screwing around wasting time. Why don't you start making recordings of the entire game and post that up with no commentary. That is certainly allowed under the tos.

[VixNix]

Meep Meep, on 05 March 2023 - 02:17 PM, said:

I often run out the clock my fle20 as last mech standing and no one has yet to give away my position and this happens multiple times a play session. But its obvious to my team that I'm using speed and terrain to evade incoming fire and spit some back out and it generates additional kills and sometimes a win. So what exactly are ~you~ doing that makes your team give out your position over and over? Doesn't really sound like they think you are trying to win the game and instead screwing around wasting time. Why don't you start making recordings of the entire game and post that up with no commentary. That is certainly allowed under the tos.

Mostly they don't seem to care about what I'm trying to do, they say run in and die and then start reporting location...

one game specifically, I was last standing with a spider and hunting lone enemies, the only kill was the one I got after the rest were dead, then "go die" command was ignored and my position was continuously given away...

but what ever

No "T" for dead solves that and still allows team to report violations of ToS.

[Necroconvict]

VixNix, on 05 March 2023 - 05:02 PM, said:

Mostly they don't seem to care about what I'm trying to do, they say run in and die and then start reporting location...

one game specifically, I was last standing with a spider and hunting lone enemies, the only kill was the one I got after the rest were dead, then "go die" command was ignored and my position was continuously given away...

but what ever

No "T" for dead solves that and still allows team to report violations of ToS.

It doesn't excuse it, maybe you've made a bad name for yourself, and people just do you? Honestly I've never seen an active players cover blown. I've seen failure to connect, or reconnects blown after long periods of not being in game. Or people hiding on top of buildings shut down, or other various hiding spots. Even if the mech isn't firing, but running, I've never seen their cover blown.

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 09 March 2023 - 09:14 PM, said:

It doesn't excuse it, maybe you've made a bad name for yourself, and people just do you? Honestly I've never seen an active players cover blown. I've seen failure to connect, or reconnects blown after long periods of not being in game. Or people hiding on top of buildings shut down, or other various hiding spots. Even if the mech isn't firing, but running, I've never seen their cover blown.

Maybe PGI should remove "T" all chat for dead players and not have to worry about it.
Players not participating can still be reported by "team mates."

[Necroconvict]

Nah they shouldn't, T forever!

No one wants to wait for 12 minutes for them to find the mech that never launched, or crashed walking into a wall. Well except for you I guess.

Edited by Necroconvict, 11 March 2023 - 01:51 AM.

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 11 March 2023 - 01:50 AM, said:

Nah they shouldn't, T forever!

No one wants to wait for 12 minutes for them to find the mech that never launched, or crashed walking into a wall. Well except for you I guess.

Remove "T" all talk AND Skirmish, then you don't have to wait, just cap...

[Necroconvict]

Keep T, but remove Domination, we don't need the pee

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 11 March 2023 - 08:10 PM, said:

Keep T, but remove Domination, we don't need the pee

Remove "T" and skirmish.
Change domination such that the number of people in the area determines the time, i.e. 1 blue and two red means red time decreases...