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[Necroconvict]

Keep T, keep skirmish, but remove Domination. Dev's look at this post, and lock it already!

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 12 March 2023 - 07:44 PM, said:

Keep T, keep skirmish, but remove Domination. Dev's look at this post, and lock it already!

Why should this post be locked, because you don't agree with it?

Reporting location is a VIOLATION.

You seem to be okay with people breaking TOS as long as you are not the subject of said violation.

Removing "T" means that TOS can no longer be violated, while still allowing those who break the participation rules to be reported by team members.

Edited by VixNix, 13 March 2023 - 11:36 AM.

[Necroconvict]

I think this has been beaten into the ground, it's been listed as HOT for a while, and now it's mostly you and I going back and forth on it. I think they should change the TOS, to allow players to call out those breaking the TOS in real time. Our mechs are locked until the battle is over. So if we're locked because one guy is sitting on top of a building in Solaris City, or anything else like that. Or a mech never connected, or a player DC'd Somewhere random in Tourmaline... yeah give the location so we can all move on. I want to be able to use my mech. I personally enjoy a little banter with both teams during a fight. Even after I am dead, or they are dead. Lots of respectable players. It's awesome to give the enemy a grats when they score a headshot! We're a community, that are hopefully striving for a long, and fun future.

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 14 March 2023 - 05:40 AM, said:

I think this has been beaten into the ground, it's been listed as HOT for a while, and now it's mostly you and I going back and forth on it. I think they should change the TOS, to allow players to call out those breaking the TOS in real time. Our mechs are locked until the battle is over. So if we're locked because one guy is sitting on top of a building in Solaris City, or anything else like that. Or a mech never connected, or a player DC'd Somewhere random in Tourmaline... yeah give the location so we can all move on. I want to be able to use my mech. I personally enjoy a little banter with both teams during a fight. Even after I am dead, or they are dead. Lots of respectable players. It's awesome to give the enemy a grats when they score a headshot! We're a community, that are hopefully striving for a long, and fun future.

When you queue for a game you commit to the 15 (or what ever) time frame.
Breaking ToS just so you can launch again is a BS excuse, you have other mechs, go use one of them.

If you don't like this thread move on.

I Hope @PGI does remove "T" for dead players, as said previously "team mates" can still report the AFK or hiding... no need to give away position unless you are a self centered I only want to play this mech and you are not dying fast enough person.

[Necroconvict]

You're ok with your breaking of the TOS to trap people there. Selfish honestly. As it's already been shown to you, what you do is against the TOS. So keep crying, but I don't have to leave this post, I can stay here everyday with you till they respond to it, or close it. So see you again soon.

Keep T for all players!

Oh no my KD rating!

Edited by Necroconvict, 17 March 2023 - 09:37 PM.

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 17 March 2023 - 09:29 PM, said:

You're ok with your breaking of the TOS to trap people there. Selfish honestly. As it's already been shown to you, what you do is against the TOS. So keep crying, but I don't have to leave this post, I can stay here everyday with you till they respond to it, or close it. So see you again soon.

Keep T for all players!

Oh no my KD rating!

I never said I was in favor of breaking ToS. I am not and would not encourage anyone to break the ToS, as you have done and are doing.

"What I do" is play the game, everyone who clicks the button agrees to a 15 minute lock out on that mech.

In most cases that I've seen it is due to selfish people not wanting to wait out while the last player alive plays, the "team mates" start calling out the location so they can take their current mech to the next game...

Please by all means stick around and continue the conversation.

STOP calling for players to break ToS!

NO "T" FOR DEAD PLAYERS!
REMOVE THE ABILITY TO BREAK TOS!

Edited by VixNix, 18 March 2023 - 04:34 AM.

[Necroconvict]

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It seems only you are against people letting the other team know where the afk mechs are. Players who never even connected. You keep beating that drum

T for all, for ever!

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 19 March 2023 - 09:22 AM, said:

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. It seems only you are against people letting the other team know where the afk mechs are. Players who never even connected. You keep beating that drum

T for all, for ever!

No, it isn't just me or it wouldn't be part of the ToS.

Which you consistently argue for breaking...

Using "T" to give away a "team mates" position FOR ANY reason is a violation.

Remove "T" for dead players!

[Necroconvict]

Well I mean it kinda looks like it is just you, and the TOS was written in days long past. So again I call on them to change the TOS to encourage players to call out AFKer's, disconnects, and players that aren't participating.

T for everyone!

[Widowmaker1981]

Interestingly, ive seen OP in one game (that i noticed). I remembered this thread and mentioned to my group at the start of the game that "I bet VixNix is last alive on their team and tries to hide" and...

Sure enough, thats exactly what happened, in a Timber Wolf on Vitric Station. Not successfully, and no one gave away a location, but i think that experience goes some way toward explaining why OP has such an issue with locations being given away when .. literally no one else does.

Trying to massage your K/D ratio by hiding at the end of losing games is pointless. If you really wanted to get an inflated KDR, you could find a couple of T5s, group with them and club seals - the effect would be 100 of times more pronounced if you have the slightest bit of skill.

That means its not really worth comparing your KDR with other people, since they could be seal clubbing and you wouldnt know, so the only person its worth comparing to is yourself. And its therefore not worth massaging it with silly shenanigans.

I fully support people giving away locations of people who arent trying to actually play.. I dont give a f if its against ToS, since so is non participation.

Before you say "Just report non participation" you yourself acknowledge in this very thread that these types of reports dont seem to be actioned, so you're just asking to be allowed to hide. Nope.

[VixNix]

Necroconvict, on 20 March 2023 - 07:49 PM, said:

Well I mean it kinda looks like it is just you, and the TOS was written in days long past. So again I call on them to change the TOS to encourage players to call out AFKer's, disconnects, and players that aren't participating.

T for everyone!

No "T" for the dead, dead can't talk and neither should dead players.

Dead "team mates" can still see and report violations, just not to the "red team".

[VixNix]

Widowmaker1981, on 21 March 2023 - 06:41 AM, said:

Interestingly, ive seen OP in one game (that i noticed). I remembered this thread and mentioned to my group at the start of the game that "I bet VixNix is last alive on their team and tries to hide" and...

Sure enough, thats exactly what happened, in a Timber Wolf on Vitric Station. Not successfully, and no one gave away a location, but i think that experience goes some way toward explaining why OP has such an issue with locations being given away when .. literally no one else does.

Trying to massage your K/D ratio by hiding at the end of losing games is pointless. If you really wanted to get an inflated KDR, you could find a couple of T5s, group with them and club seals - the effect would be 100 of times more pronounced if you have the slightest bit of skill.

That means its not really worth comparing your KDR with other people, since they could be seal clubbing and you wouldnt know, so the only person its worth comparing to is yourself. And its therefore not worth massaging it with silly shenanigans.

I fully support people giving away locations of people who arent trying to actually play.. I dont give a f if its against ToS, since so is non participation.

Before you say "Just report non participation" you yourself acknowledge in this very thread that these types of reports dont seem to be actioned, so you're just asking to be allowed to hide. Nope.

While it may seem like I do, I don't care about KDR.

I was pleasantly surprised in that game that no one gave away position, there are way better places to "hide" on that map, it's just where I ended up when the 2nd to last died, waiting there for someone to shoot at seemed like a better idea than running to the middle... BUT you wont believe that so what ever.

[Widowmaker1981]

VixNix, on 21 March 2023 - 11:55 AM, said:

While it may seem like I do, I don't care about KDR.

I was pleasantly surprised in that game that no one gave away position, there are way better places to "hide" on that map, it's just where I ended up when the 2nd to last died, waiting there for someone to shoot at seemed like a better idea than running to the middle... BUT you wont believe that so what ever.

I dont have any particular reason to not believe what you're saying about that match but.. well. I very often play a Shadow Cat and no one has ever given my location away when im alive last at the end of a game.

So the fact you have such an issue with that happening tells me you must be doing something to deserve it.

[VixNix]

Widowmaker1981, on 21 March 2023 - 04:48 PM, said:

I dont have any particular reason to not believe what you're saying about that match but.. well. I very often play a Shadow Cat and no one has ever given my location away when im alive last at the end of a game.

So the fact you have such an issue with that happening tells me you must be doing something to deserve it.

Any amount of it happening is to much, I've been the target of it and seen others, basically just because someone wants to take their current mech into the next match and they died to fast is no excuse.

Take their ability to break ToS away and the game will be better off, I die and don't want to stay and watch I quit match and get a different mech to queue up in...

No "T" for dead players! (so they can't break ToS)

[Ekson Valdez]

This discussion has been running in circles (left-turns only, of course) for long enough now. All points have been made and nobody seems to have an interest in adding new ideas.

This thread will be locked now.

P.S.:

CoC said:

• Willfully or repeatedly assisting the enemy.
  
• Taunting, baiting, or otherwise encouraging players to violate the Code of Conduct.

and

Quote

There are situations that do not fall within the scope of what the shutdown mechanic or evasion tactics are intended for. The use of the shutdown mechanic or avoiding contact with the enemy under the following situations may be classed as an act of non-participation, subject to evaluation and moderation actions by Support services:

• Ceasing to meaningfully contribute for the remainder of the match if you still have support equipment, useful modules, or weapons (with any necessary ammo) available. Losing your primary weapon is not an acceptable excuse for hiding and/or shutting down if you still have a secondary weapon, a support-based item such as a TAG, or a consumable module available for use.
  
• Running out the clock, or needlessly extending the duration of the match, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory.
  
• Running out the clock or needlessly extending the duration of a Faction Play match in an attempt to keep a particular group or Unit in the current engagement for as long as possible, in cases where doing so will not assist you towards victory, is not considered an acceptable tactic.

Disliking a map or game mode or attempting to preserve a player statistic such as Kill/Death Ratio are not acceptable excuses for non-participation.

Are both violations of the CoC. Players are not supposed to enforce the CoC on their own in any way. Report and move on. Thank you.