48 replies to this topic

[martian]

Seelenlos, on 02 November 2022 - 02:30 PM, said:

OettingerRakete, on 01 November 2022 - 04:44 AM, said:

Great Attempt of changing anything. Why don't u sit down and put together an Excel where u put in all necessary changes to the game mechanic, weapons and mechs. But no, instead u pitch and hope others will do what u understand to be necessary.

Once you're done, post it in the https://discord.gg/BKb7muZZ3Y Cauldron Feedback Channel

I should give Caulderon, the ones who destroyed Missiles in MWO - cause they hate missile, love sniping and brawl -, MY HARD WORK, for them to change it and become the credits, ....

If you do not do that, then you can not expect that somebody will act upon your request.

Essentially, without hard numbers supporting your argument, your original post is no different from any other random forum post saying "I do not like PPCs."

[pbiggz]

Seelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 02:32 AM, said:

Please nerf or remove the thing that killed me, as I do not like it and do not play it. Please buff what I like or play so I can always kill other players, except if they use what I play against me to kill me, in which case it should also be immediately nerfed as I am the main character and best player and nothing should be allowed to kill me and any time someone does it is because they are exploiting to kill me, as I am the best.

regards

I translated OP for anyone who was interested.

[Seelenlos]

pbiggz, on 07 November 2022 - 06:04 AM, said:

I translated OP for anyone who was interested.

Whoooaaao, you an IQ higher than Einstein, what????

Hoppla, you don't get that point? .......

[Seelenlos]

martian, on 04 November 2022 - 10:17 PM, said:

If you do not do that, then you can not expect that somebody will act upon your request.

Essentially, without hard numbers supporting your argument, your original post is no different from any other random forum post saying "I do not like PPCs."

Hi Martian,

Facts:
have you ever been hit by an Urbie and and a Vapor Eagle? with PPC?

Ever noticed a difference? No, well there is also no difference.

While the Urbie has a Speed-Perk, the Vapro-Eagle has none only the Skill-Tree.

Still their velocity is the same.

Compered to other Mechs shooting PPC it is nearly impossible to miss with Urbie and VE, while with other mechs, it is easly avoidable or not possible to hit that often.

So there is a flow/error in the concept.

On another post, about MGs, one of the -smarter- Cauldron guys told himself that even to him thins are unbalanced toward some weapons, but it is the intention of the other Cauldron the game goes that far, so they have full influence how PGI will implement that.

And many of these "pbiggz"-types with their supreme IQ give the Caulderon the fuel - that smart Caulderon guy said that too - though they are the minority, but are loud in forums.

Back to the point, when certain type of Perks or hidden perks are given, they break the game when they are IMBA to the rest of the concept.

Given the fact that it maybe _ even though it is too high - necessary for some lights, it does not mean that it must be this insane.

I see u running a lot in your Urbie, because it is so overpowered, cause there is no proportionality with shooting PPC, Jumping, being ECM-shielded and also have a small-Silhouette.

Maybe all others are dumb and should also run in Urbies and Fleas. Would that be then Battletech/Mechwarrior ???

This is my last post on this, as i really am not like to have post in my threads from Pbiggz or the kind, as it is so single minded.

It was only to be polite with you, as though you are not balanced at least you still read the opposite-args.

regards

[Curccu]

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Hi Martian,

Hi I'm not Martian but I see few flaws in your post so gotta reply.

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Facts:
have you ever been hit by an Urbie and and a Vapor Eagle? with PPC?

Yep but you can only fit one PPC into Urbie and zero into Veagle you know clanners cannot use IS tech.
Oh you are talking about snub noses and cerppcs... brawl weapon and sniper weapon, well why not to compare oranges to apples both are fruits anyways...

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Ever noticed a difference? No, well there is also no difference.

I'd say there is difference if you get hit by 3 (three) cERPCCs or 2 (two) SSPPCs.
Also there is a bit difference in damage if you get shot by more than 270 meters away.

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

While the Urbie has a Speed-Perk, the Vapro-Eagle has none only the Skill-Tree.

Actually if you propose having only two ERPPCs on Veagle you can have that large engine that Vapor is faster than Urbie.
You can also do deadside build to Veagle with clan XL which you cannot do with IS XL.

Veagle can fit twice amount of DHS than Urbie thus operations part of skill tree is a lot better for Veagle.

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Still their velocity is the same.

Nooope. 1200 != 1650

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Compered to other Mechs shooting PPC it is nearly impossible to miss with Urbie and VE, while with other mechs, it is easly avoidable or not possible to hit that often.

So there is a flow/error in the concept.

Why is it impossible to miss with Urbie and Veagle, they don't have any autoaim feature?
What concept?

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

On another post, about MGs, one of the -smarter- Cauldron guys told himself that even to him thins are unbalanced toward some weapons, but it is the intention of the other Cauldron the game goes that far, so they have full influence how PGI will implement that.

Let me guess it was IL MECHWARRIOR... wait no DATA, dude changed his name.
But yeah he is full of **** pretty often.

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

And many of these "pbiggz"-types with their supreme IQ give the Caulderon the fuel - that smart Caulderon guy said that too - though they are the minority, but are loud in forums.

DATA?

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Back to the point, when certain type of Perks or hidden perks are given, they break the game when they are IMBA to the rest of the concept.

I have failed to see your point so far.... but sure lets go forward. What hidden perks?

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Given the fact that it maybe _ even though it is too high - necessary for some lights, it does not mean that it must be this insane.

Would you specify what you are talking about? Is it that -5% PPC heat on UM-R80?

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

I see u running a lot in your Urbie, because it is so overpowered, cause there is no proportionality with shooting PPC, Jumping, being ECM-shielded and also have a small-Silhouette.

Not sure why think it's OP and to compared to what? ECM doesn't really do much when you are fighting at SNPPC optimum range, much more worthy on longer ranges, like Light PPC ranges.

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Maybe all others are dumb and should also run in Urbies and Fleas. Would that be then Battletech/Mechwarrior ???

Wouldn't it be SMART to run OP mech instead of bad mech?
Yep Mechwarrior, FPS game loosely based on BT.

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

This is my last post on this, as i really am not like to have post in my threads from Pbiggz or the kind, as it is so single minded.

It was only to be polite with you, as though you are not balanced at least you still read the opposite-args.

regards

You know this is actually your first post in this thread you made where you explain at least some of your thinking. Your opening post was pretty what Pbiggz wrote.
And you still haven't given any more specific numbers or any kind solutions how to make this game better.

Edit PS. Why is this firestarter-A so much worse than Urbie in your opinion? fs9-a
It is still faster than Urbie, over twice better DPS and sustained DPS, twice as good alpha, a bit more total number of hitpoints (armor and structure total) as urbie.

Edited by Curccu, 08 November 2022 - 03:03 AM.

[feeWAIVER]

I think he's talking about cooldown, not velocity.

[Curccu]

feeWAIVER, on 08 November 2022 - 06:38 AM, said:

I think he's talking about cooldown, not velocity.

We can only guess because he doesn't want to answer questions, instead just ramble about some hidden perks.

edit. After all the best Urbie CD quirk affecting PPCs is only 10%, not very drastic IMO.

Edited by Curccu, 08 November 2022 - 07:50 AM.

[martian]

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Hi Martian,

Facts:
have you ever been hit by an Urbie and and a Vapor Eagle? with PPC?

Ever noticed a difference? No, well there is also no difference.

While the Urbie has a Speed-Perk, the Vapro-Eagle has none only the Skill-Tree.

Still their velocity is the same.

Compered to other Mechs shooting PPC it is nearly impossible to miss with Urbie and VE, while with other mechs, it is easly avoidable or not possible to hit that often.

So there is a flow/error in the concept.
...

Hello Seelenlos,

there are one or two points that I would like to make, if I may:

The projectile speed difference between the UrbanMech and the Vapor Eagle

Let us presume that the discussion revolves around SnPPC (UrbanMech) and Clan ER PPC (Vapor Eagle), since this is what both 'Mechs usually run in the game.

As you know, the projectile speed of the unquirked SnPPC is 1200 m/s.
The projectile speed of the quirked SnPPC - only one UrbanMech, the "Street Cleaner" Hero has it - is 1320 m/s.

The majority of the Vapor Eagle variants have no ER PPC projectile velocity quirks and are running the unquirked Clan ER PPC with the default projectile speed of 1650 m/s.
The only exception is the relatively rare Hero variant "Rival". Its quirked ER PPC offers the 1980 m/s projectile speed.

So no, we can not say that "Still their velocity is the same." The difference in the projectile speed between SnPPC and Clan ER PPC is counted in the hundreds of metres per second.

If the unquirked UrbanMech fires its SnPPC from the distance of 270 m, you will have 0,225 seconds to react.
If the unquirked Vapor Eagle fires its Clan ER PPC from the distance of 810 m, you will have 0,490 seconds to react.

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

....
On another post, about MGs, one of the -smarter- Cauldron guys told himself that even to him thins are unbalanced toward some weapons, but it is the intention of the other Cauldron the game goes that far, so they have full influence how PGI will implement that.

And many of these "pbiggz"-types with their supreme IQ give the Caulderon the fuel - that smart Caulderon guy said that too - though they are the minority, but are loud in forums.

Back to the point, when certain type of Perks or hidden perks are given, they break the game when they are IMBA to the rest of the concept.

Given the fact that it maybe _ even though it is too high - necessary for some lights, it does not mean that it must be this insane.
....

Changing the game

Only PGI can adjust the game. Like it or not, PGI listens to Cauldron. As I told you above, you should prepare your arguments and then contact the members of the Cauldron. There are not many other ways of changing the things in MWO

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

I see u running a lot in your Urbie, because it is so overpowered, cause there is no proportionality with shooting PPC, Jumping, being ECM-shielded and also have a small-Silhouette.

UrbanMech

First, I run all kinds of 'Mechs, both IS and Clan.

Second, I run all variants of UrbanMech that I own, depending on my whim.

Third, I have been running Urbies from time to time, even before they came into fashion:
For example "Snowball" and "Street Cleaner".

Surprisingly, you can run the UrbanMech successfully even without the ECM suite and without Snubbies.

Seelenlos, on 08 November 2022 - 12:55 AM, said:

Maybe all others are dumb and should also run in Urbies and Fleas. Would that be then Battletech/Mechwarrior ???

This is my last post on this, as i really am not like to have post in my threads from Pbiggz or the kind, as it is so single minded.

It was only to be polite with you, as though you are not balanced at least you still read the opposite-args.

regards

The Freedom of Choice

Everybody is free to deploy in any 'Mech that he wishes. You, me, any other MWO player - people can select any 'Mech that brings them fun and that they consider to be fit for the purpose.

[caravann]

Afaik

Lasers have no velocity and is instant.

Lasers can't be reduced or increased in speed.

[Seelenlos]

Curccu, on 08 November 2022 - 02:48 AM, said:

Let me guess it was IL MECHWARRIOR... wait no DATA, dude changed his name.
But yeah he is full of **** pretty often.


DATA?


I have failed to see your point so far.... but sure lets go forward. What hidden perks?

Surely not!

DATA is a smart sophisticated player and YouTuber.

I have seen his videos - THX DATA I now can better shoot - and played with him and won every time, with his support and my recon.

So I maybe wrong, but when DATA says something is wrong - as a Pro-Killer - I would not even try to think about rethinking what he says, as there is a level of experience you do not need to put your own effort to reinvent or recheck it.

And not, that guy was not DATA from Calderon. I can not remember and it is also nearly usless, as I told, he himself stated that Caulderon has another vision.


Only to clarify that DATA has nothing to do in this part of this discussion!

[Weeny Machine]

Seelenlos, on 11 November 2022 - 04:44 PM, said:

So I maybe wrong, but when DATA says something is wrong - as a Pro-Killer - I would not even try to think about rethinking what he says, as there is a level of experience you do not need to put your own effort to reinvent or recheck it.

Every politician would want you in his district. Thumbs up!

[martian]

caravann, on 08 November 2022 - 08:40 PM, said:

Afaik

Lasers have no velocity and is instant.

Lasers can't be reduced or increased in speed.

The OP has been interested mostly in various kinds of Particle Projection Cannons.

[r4plez]

how about NO?

[Seelenlos]

Weeny Machine, on 12 November 2022 - 12:47 AM, said:

Every politician would want you in his district. Thumbs up!

Yeah,

are you sure you are allowed to make any assumption on others? Even on their Political opinion?


You have been on MechCon like DATA?
And you can play 50% as good as he?

Realy I do not know why i get banned and some like you are allowed to pollute and get away with it!

Edited by Seelenlos, 12 November 2022 - 08:17 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

Seelenlos, on 12 November 2022 - 08:14 AM, said:

Yeah,

are you sure you are allowed to make any assumption on others? Even on their Political opinion?


You have been on MechCon like DATA?
And you can play 50% as good as he?

Realy I do not know why i get banned and some like you are allowed to pollute and get away with it!

Simply because that 1. was not what I said and 2. not what I implied

If you have severe problems understanding English (it is not my first language either btw), then I suggest you either use tools like Google Translator (just scan the text from the screen with your mobile) or deepl.com or stick to the German forum - your name at least suggests you are German.

But just for you: Being a blind fanboy withour ever questioning anything is plain stupid.
There is a thing called "common sense". Use it.
Ever heard of one of your fellow Germans, he is called Immanuel Kant? Maybe you want to look him up.
To make it even easier for you: think about sports. How many of the big trainers were world-class football players? Not many. According to your logic, every world-class player should be also a world-class trainers because they know the game perfectly and played on such a top-tier level.

Edited by Weeny Machine, 12 November 2022 - 09:45 AM.

[Knownswift]

DATA is one of the most controversial "authority figures" playing the game today.

https://www.reddit.c...web2x&context=3

[caravann]

There was the other guy who was banned for saying Evening ladies.
Piranha games is controversy on its own.
Another was banned for using LRM.

[Darian DelFord]

caravann, on 12 November 2022 - 12:48 PM, said:

There was the other guy who was banned for saying Evening ladies.
Piranha games is controversy on its own.
Another was banned for using LRM.

LOL I just posted that last night in another thread....

There are huge discrepancies with performance in regards to mechs and weapon systems. I am trying to give the caldron time to finish whatever they are trying to do and see how everything falls. We all know I have a few issues with alpha's in this game. One of the main issues is long range weapons are just effective at 500+ meters as they are at 200 meters.

In regards to DATA his bias is very well documented (Just like mine towards lights), He is a skilled player, but to many controversies around him which have been brought up in this thread. I agree to a point that PPC's need to be tuned up a bit, however as stated, I am awaiting for all the changes to be made.

BTW is there a time line on when the "balance updates" are done, or are they mostly complete.

[MyriadDigits]

Darian DelFord, on 13 November 2022 - 06:14 AM, said:

LOL I just posted that last night in another thread....

There are huge discrepancies with performance in regards to mechs and weapon systems. I am trying to give the caldron time to finish whatever they are trying to do and see how everything falls. We all know I have a few issues with alpha's in this game. One of the main issues is long range weapons are just effective at 500+ meters as they are at 200 meters.

In regards to DATA his bias is very well documented (Just like mine towards lights), He is a skilled player, but to many controversies around him which have been brought up in this thread. I agree to a point that PPC's need to be tuned up a bit, however as stated, I am awaiting for all the changes to be made.

BTW is there a time line on when the "balance updates" are done, or are they mostly complete.

Except they aren't. Yes they still do the same damage focused just as well, but they are much hotter for the damage dealt than brawl weapons, and often slower to cycle as well. Long range weapons don't need a hard min range for brawl to perform.

[Curccu]

Seelenlos, on 12 November 2022 - 08:14 AM, said:

Yeah,

are you sure you are allowed to make any assumption on others? Even on their Political opinion?

Yep because politicians are quite often full of ****.

Seelenlos, on 12 November 2022 - 08:14 AM, said:

You have been on MechCon like DATA?

I have huge issue understanding what does that have to do anything? I mean I could have paid 1000€+ for flight tickets + hotel and so on but would make me better player or what was your point?

Seelenlos, on 12 November 2022 - 08:14 AM, said:

And you can play 50% as good as he?

Yeah I would dare to say so, I'm not very active (pretty much retired) in this game anymore but I still hold my 99 percentile as data does. So yeah 50% at least.

Seelenlos, on 12 November 2022 - 08:14 AM, said:

Realy I do not know why i get banned and some like you are allowed to pollute and get away with it!

Sure I have gotten few warnings from Mods but I mostly follow TOS you clearly do not if you get banned.

But how about we actually return to OP you made and EXPLAIN simply what is your reasoning behind this thread? I tried to ask you earlier but whole that post you were able to reply just enough to say that you are data fanboi.