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[Seelenlos]

https://www.reddit.c...vii_duel_rules/
"with some able to fire earlier at a risk of jamming/malfunction"

So many weapons in MWO must again become slower in respect to other weapons.

It is really absurd, that Urbies or Fleas can shoot that fast. Even in repsect to some advantages they become!

regards

[Darian DelFord]

Seelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 02:32 AM, said:

https://www.reddit.c...vii_duel_rules/
"with some able to fire earlier at a risk of jamming/malfunction"

So many weapons in MWO must again become slower in respect to other weapons.

It is really absurd, that Urbies or Fleas can shoot that fast. Even in repsect to some advantages they become!

regards

Here we go again.

[Weeny Machine]

Darian DelFord, on 30 October 2022 - 03:49 AM, said:

Here we go again.

I haven't been here for some months. Can you explain what he means? I checked the mechlab and those lights cannot shoot faster...

or does he mean it is unfair that lights have a fighting chance?

[w0qj]

With due respect, have you tried playing ERPPC mechs in MWO recently?

Lots of heat issues, and more importantly, faster mechs (especially Light/Medium) literally sidestep your PPC 'bullet' when they are afar.

There's a reason why you don't see WHK-Prime(I) around anymore

Your title mentioned medium/large lasers, which are instant-hit weapons (hit-scan; no targeting lead required. heat-scan), and generates less heat per damage than ERPPC and the like.

As for Flea you've mentioned, it's probably equipped with Snub Nose PPC with no DHS, so it has heat issues as well.

Perhaps by trying out the 'other side' mech, one can find out its weakness... and did your enemy mech strip out armor to shoehorn that PPC weapon in? Where did it strip the armor? No DHS = less optimal build, etc. etc.

This is the beauty of Battletech and MWO; there's a valid counter to everything.
(Otherwise everyone and their dog would be using that weapon!)

Seelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 02:32 AM, said:

https://www.reddit.c...vii_duel_rules/
"with some able to fire earlier at a risk of jamming/malfunction"

So many weapons in MWO must again become slower in respect to other weapons.

It is really absurd, that Urbies or Fleas can shoot that fast. Even in repsect to some advantages they become!...

Edited by w0qj, 08 November 2022 - 01:24 PM.

[Der Geisterbaer]

Weeny Machine, on 30 October 2022 - 05:27 AM, said:

I haven't been here for some months. Can you explain what he means? I checked the mechlab and those lights cannot shoot faster...

Well, it's more or less another "Lights are OP" thread. Where it's usually the "Machine Guns are OP" approach this time it's about the FLE-19 (and the LCT-V) being able to sport a singular snub-nose PPC or light PPC with cooldown reduction of 40% to 60% while moving at 130 km/h and more. The Urbie thing seem to refer to the ECM equipped UM-R80 that can field 3 to 4 light PPCs with decent enough heat quirks while still being reasonably fast.

Weeny Machine, on 30 October 2022 - 05:27 AM, said:

or does he mean it is unfair that lights have a fighting chance?

No, it's "unfair that assaults aren't the undisputed 'best' at everything". Everything but Assaults should instantly be defeated just by presence of him being there in his Assault.

[martian]

FLE-19 Flea comes with the 40% cooldown quirk. If it is too much, it could be toned down. I guess that it is because this model has just one energy hardpoint.

As for the UrbanMech and PPC recharge quirk:

• UM-R60 - 10% cooldown bonus for PPC
  
• UM-R63 - 10% cooldown bonus for PPC
  
• UM-R60L - no cooldown bonus for PPC
  
• UM-R68 - 10% cooldown bonus for PPC
  
• UM-R80 - no cooldown bonus for PPC
  
• UM-K9 - no cooldown bonus for PPC
  
• UM-SC - 10% cooldown bonus for PPC

Have I missed anything? Because those quirks do not seem too bad. Many other 'Mechs have similar 5-10% cooldown quirks.

[feeWAIVER]

With a locust 1V fully cooldown skilled, with 1 snub, you're popping off 1 shot every 1.5 seconds.
That's a total of 10 dps, 6.66 direct dmg, 3.33 splash.

Do you think that's OP?
Locust is 50% quirked. A Flea is 40%, so it's less.

Edited by feeWAIVER, 30 October 2022 - 08:53 AM.

[Seelenlos]

feeWAIVER, on 30 October 2022 - 08:52 AM, said:

With a locust 1V fully cooldown skilled, with 1 snub, you're popping off 1 shot every 1.5 seconds.
That's a total of 10 dps, 6.66 direct dmg, 3.33 splash.

Do you think that's OP?
Locust is 50% quirked. A Flea is 40%, so it's less.

If that is not OP or IMBA since the begin of the game developments, then we are all in "A..."!

If there is a reason to break a game (conversion) this far, then there is a flaw in Design!
That is where it should be addressed!

Edited by Seelenlos, 30 October 2022 - 09:18 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

Seelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 09:08 AM, said:

If that is not OP or IMBA since the begin of the game developments, then we are all in "A..."!

If there is a reason to break a game (conversion) this far, then there is a flaw in Design!
That is where it should be addressed!

Bad troll attempt. I give you only a 1/10

[Seelenlos]

Weeny Machine, on 30 October 2022 - 11:53 AM, said:

Bad troll attempt. I give you only a 1/10

Nonsense is cheap. What makes the world go dumb.

You poor minds didn't even thought, without of a rethought to answer.
But hey, no problem if u do not understand the essence.

-----
Oh By the way, Valdez,

calling someone Troll is not an insult, but hinting to use brain from me is an insult, right?

Edited by Seelenlos, 30 October 2022 - 12:55 PM.

[Curccu]

feeWAIVER, on 30 October 2022 - 08:52 AM, said:

With a locust 1V fully cooldown skilled, with 1 snub, you're popping off 1 shot every 1.5 seconds.
That's a total of 10 dps, 6.66 direct dmg, 3.33 splash.

Do you think that's OP?
Locust is 50% quirked. A Flea is 40%, so it's less.

one very relevant value would be sustained DPS also.

Seelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 09:08 AM, said:

If that is not OP or IMBA since the begin of the game developments, then we are all in "A..."!
If there is a reason to break a game (conversion) this far, then there is a flaw in Design!
That is where it should be addressed!

Explain WHY is it OP or IMBA?
Explain what needs to be addressed and why.

Why is this lct-1v OP compared to this mad-iic or this hgn-iic-a

Seelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 12:39 PM, said:

Nonsense is cheap. What makes the world go dumb.

You poor minds didn't even thought, without of a rethought to answer.
But hey, no problem if u do not understand the essence.

Your own posts so far is nonsense, you post some old tabletop reddit url that has something to do with MWO somehow? You state in topic that "you want to nerf all PPC speed"? what is ppc speed? is it cooldown is it velocity?
and "So many weapons in MWO must again become slower in respect to other weapons." What does it mean? Explain.

[PocketYoda]

Kitana kat lol

[RickySpanish]

My 2 ER PPC Black Lanner will still nuke you from the other side of the map, you'll just have a second longer to say bye bye.

Edited by RickySpanish, 31 October 2022 - 03:00 PM.

[feeWAIVER]

Curccu, on 31 October 2022 - 12:54 AM, said:

one very relevant value would be sustained DPS also.

Try it out, let me know how OP it is.

[Knownswift]

I refuse to lower my PC clock speed go suit your fancy.

[Curccu]

feeWAIVER, on 31 October 2022 - 08:07 AM, said:

Try it out, let me know how OP it is.

Oh I know it's not OP but these boneheads that are claiming it is do not and you gave them quite large number of 10 DPS which is probably 60-70% more than Sustained DPS value.

Like this piranha that noone says is OP because it doesn't have MGs pir-3 Huge difference in DPS and sustained DPS

Edited by Curccu, 31 October 2022 - 08:20 AM.

[OettingerRakete]

Seelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 09:08 AM, said:

If that is not OP or IMBA since the begin of the game developments, then we are all in "A..."!

If there is a reason to break a game (conversion) this far, then there is a flaw in Design!
That is where it should be addressed!

Great Attempt of changing anything. Why don't u sit down and put together an Excel where u put in all necessary changes to the game mechanic, weapons and mechs. But no, instead u pitch and hope others will do what u understand to be necessary.

Once you're done, post it in the https://discord.gg/BKb7muZZ3Y Cauldron Feedback Channel

[Seelenlos]

OettingerRakete, on 01 November 2022 - 04:44 AM, said:

Great Attempt of changing anything. Why don't u sit down and put together an Excel where u put in all necessary changes to the game mechanic, weapons and mechs. But no, instead u pitch and hope others will do what u understand to be necessary.

Once you're done, post it in the https://discord.gg/BKb7muZZ3Y Cauldron Feedback Channel

I should give Caulderon, the ones who destroyed Missiles in MWO - cause they hate missile, love sniping and brawl -, MY HARD WORK, for them to change it and become the credits, THOUGH THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE TO DO THIS, as they have the access to PGI to change things!?!?!

Surly not, I could compare it to something vomit-criminal but i leave it be.

So it would surely not happen from me!

Its Caulderon's responsibility alone.

I think another post to be closed.

I as customer only call the "program errors".

Edited by Seelenlos, 02 November 2022 - 02:31 PM.

[Curccu]

Seelenlos, on 02 November 2022 - 02:30 PM, said:

I should give Caulderon, the ones who destroyed Missiles in MWO - cause they hate missile, love sniping and brawl -, MY HARD WORK, for them to change it and become the credits, THOUGH THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE TO DO THIS, as they have the access to PGI to change things!?!?!

Surly not, I could compare it to something vomit-criminal but i leave it be.

So it would surely not happen from me!

Its Caulderon's responsibility alone.

I think another post to be closed.

I as customer only call the "program errors".

Surely you will explain what and why this thread is about at some point because your OP lacks pretty much everything else than QQ that you clearly don't like PPCs somehow.

PS. Not seeing how cauldron destroyed missiles (you probably mean LRM & ATM) PGI did missile overhaul, PGI keeps releasing more ECM mechs and PGI "fixed" old maps not to be really missile friendly... Cauldron might have something to do with radar derp being so easily and cheaply accessed in skilltree now.

[a Mech Named Slickback]

Seelenlos, on 30 October 2022 - 12:39 PM, said:

Nonsense is cheap. What makes the world go dumb.

You poor minds didn't even thought, without of a rethought to answer.
But hey, no problem if u do not understand the essence.

-----
Oh By the way, Valdez,

calling someone Troll is not an insult, but hinting to use brain from me is an insult, right?

I logged in just to quote this

This message should just be pinned at the top of this forum.

edit- without the rest of the thread. No context at all. Just pin it.

Edited by a Mech Named Slickback, 04 November 2022 - 09:18 AM.