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#1 GoatHILL

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 02:00 AM

How are so many players so bad?

I am not a great player I am average, but 75% of my games I know which team will win at the match maker screen.

I played for 2+ hours tonight and won 2 games the rest of the team wondered around aimlessly are took up a position of 800m with a med laser mech.

How are players this bad, why does the match maker seem to put all of these players on one team with one or 2 ok players and the other team is stacked with half a dozen (non grouped) truly tier 1 players?

I want to win matches KDR is meaningless, I'd be happy with a w/l ratio of 1 but I am not good enough to carry 6-8 window lickers.

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 02:12 AM

This game has an elo type system called psr. The better you play the higher you go in psr score and the more you see others of the same skill level as you gain tier ranks. Tier 5 and 4 are the tiers with the ultra casuals who lack situational awareness and coherent tactics so they just kinda flounder about. No worries as they have just as much fun as anyone else so let them enjoy their games. Tier 3 is where you start to see tier 2 and 1 players who do have situational awareness and coherent tactics so the quality of play rises fast once you break tier 3. So I guess what I am saying is play as well as you can and win or lose you will gain psr and eventually break into the higher tiers where quality of play is much higher. However you will still see blowouts and one sided games due to the mm not taking mech weights into consideration so you might get a large tonnage imbalance which leads to snowballs and quick matches.

#3 Darian DelFord

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 04:23 AM

View PostGoatHILL, on 24 November 2022 - 02:00 AM, said:

How are so many players so bad?

I am not a great player I am average, but 75% of my games I know which team will win at the match maker screen.

I played for 2+ hours tonight and won 2 games the rest of the team wondered around aimlessly are took up a position of 800m with a med laser mech.

How are players this bad, why does the match maker seem to put all of these players on one team with one or 2 ok players and the other team is stacked with half a dozen (non grouped) truly tier 1 players?

I want to win matches KDR is meaningless, I'd be happy with a w/l ratio of 1 but I am not good enough to carry 6-8 window lickers.


I have to kinda agree on this..., Usually my W/L is above 1 however this season it has absolutely tanked, I think its .8 right now. I see people just doing stupid things. The MM has always been bad, but my gawd the last month has been horrendous.

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 05:27 AM

MWO does indeed have a frustratingly low average skill level.

Its mostly because the game has no real endgame content. Players who "complete" MWO by grinding trough ranks of Quick Play and become as good as QP can make them have no meaningful progression available and tend to quit. The only endgame that exists is competitive play, which offers much greater opportunities for getting better, but requires time and effort for practice and matches that most players cannot afford, so its available only for a minority.

As a result the players who continue playing are the competitive few who have the time for comp. and then a large mass of mediocre or bad players who still get something out of QP. There is a huge empty gap of good players who quit in between the two.

Faction Warfare could have filled that gap, but alas.

Edited by Gagis, 24 November 2022 - 05:28 AM.


#5 Darian DelFord

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 06:06 AM

Another thing that irks me, is every damn map I have gotten has been the exact opposite of the build that I am using. I swear I think the MM as an evil AI about it. Posted Image

#6 Louis Brofist

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 06:12 AM

A lot of decent players have left over the years and the quality of the playerbase shot way down. Having said that you still get ok-ish play at T1, but not even close to what it used to be. There has oddly been an influx of new players in the last year or so who seem to be very confident yet completely clueless about how MWO plays. I remember seeing a streamer once on Twitch speaking with authority playing the game and giving the worst advice.

There's no way you only won 2 matches in 2 hours unless you played like 4 games. If you play 10 games (reasonable for 2+ hours of gampeplay) there's no way that you have an 80% lose rate. The W/L ratio tends to even out regardless of input.

If you're seeing players like you describe you're stuck in lower tiers. If you play well enough you will get +PSR even on losses and will eventually get to higher tiers where gameplay is semi-decent even though its kinda **** there too. But you know all of this being around for so long, so I don't understand the complaint.

Edited by Louis Brofist, 24 November 2022 - 07:37 AM.


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Posted 24 November 2022 - 07:34 AM

That is just gotta happen sometimes.
Or they were on busy ruining their PSR prevent to left their tier. If you find a tier fun to be there you may not wish to leave that! I like being in T5 because see things, I mean THINGS be those sad or funny... It worth ruin PSR to keep seeing strange stuffs all around (if I want serious I go FP where I almost never see dumb things committed by others)!

#8 Louis Brofist

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 08:19 AM

You are throwing matches because you're not showing up to feed us!

#9 Louis Brofist

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 08:23 AM

View PostDing Toast is Ready, on 24 November 2022 - 08:22 AM, said:

That was fast.

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#10 Knownswift

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 08:23 AM

View PostDing Toast is Ready, on 24 November 2022 - 07:55 AM, said:

Careful, some T1 will accuse you of throwing matches because you're not showing up to feed them.


You know the opposite of that is throwing so you can be fed.

Food for thought.

(This post exists for a bad joke.)

#11 Knownswift

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 08:28 AM

Why did you quote me but then write a post to yourself?

#12 Duke Falcon

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 09:29 AM

View PostLouis Brofist, on 24 November 2022 - 08:19 AM, said:

You are throwing matches because you're not showing up to feed us!


Come and catch me! Come and catch me! Come and catch me! Posted Image

#13 Gagis

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 10:48 AM

Please don't sabotage your team, any of you.

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 11:33 AM

View PostGagis, on 24 November 2022 - 10:48 AM, said:

Please don't sabotage your team, any of you.


View PostDing Toast is Ready, on 24 November 2022 - 10:51 AM, said:

You heard the man. Git gud and serve your betters by playing exactly how they tell you and what they tell you. Remember that if he's not having fun nobody else is allowed to.


But! But...
Use ECM + Stealth and run together with red team without notice I'm not thy friend is SOOOOOO MUCH-MUCH-MUCH FUN!!!
You really wanna strip me from such funny moments? Posted Image

Psssss.: I usually not sabotage my team, they usually do that pretty much themselves in QP. Ima just exploit that to remain in T5 kindergarten. Believe me, I see enough kaiju T-top monstas in FP! Posted Image

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 12:36 PM

View PostGoatHILL, on 24 November 2022 - 02:00 AM, said:

How are players this bad, why does the match maker seem to put all of these players on one team with one or 2 ok players and the other team is stacked with half a dozen (non grouped) truly tier 1 players?

Possible explanation: Not-so-good matchmaker and not enough active players.

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 01:26 PM

the only reason im t3 and not t2 is because the last 3 times i bothered logging in i was rather drunk/stoned/both. also i was leveling black lanners so that had something to do with it.

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 07:36 PM

I think i'd be a far better pilot if i wasn't in Australia with terrible ping and ADSL2.. I do pretty ok myself and i'm not super competitive.. The modern meta isn't really for me though.. sniping bores me to tears.. I also tend to play stupid mechs for fun and to tank my PSR lol.

Also as a Battletech tabletop fan seeing the crazy light mechs and oversized stupid huge scale mechs in this game grates on me.. so i'm on a break.

Edited by PocketYoda, 24 November 2022 - 07:37 PM.


#18 GoatHILL

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 07:49 PM

View PostLouis Brofist, on 24 November 2022 - 06:12 AM, said:

There's no way you only won 2 matches in 2 hours unless you played like 4 games. If you play 10 games (reasonable for 2+ hours of gampeplay) there's no way that you have an 80% lose rate. The W/L ratio tends to even out regardless of input.


Yes I did play for 2+ hours with only 2 wins, yea it was about 10 games. I kept thinking this will turn around but it did not.

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 09:20 PM

View PostGoatHILL, on 24 November 2022 - 07:49 PM, said:


Yes I did play for 2+ hours with only 2 wins, yea it was about 10 games. I kept thinking this will turn around but it did not.


Yeah, it sucks. Not that this particularly helps, but: you're not alone. July 2021 was my worst month since stats started being recorded. Similar circumstance, loss after loss and matches were easy to predict at the ready screen. It felt so bad that I fully stopped playing for a month.

I came back though. Bullet, Grunhe, TG, and Drake needs someone to block their shots and steal their kills. After all, who else is gunna do that? The game is more tolerable with friends. Posted Image

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Posted 24 November 2022 - 09:33 PM

i honestly find T3 to be the most enjoyable. you have enough skilled players that mot games are not complete cluster ***** (you still get bad ones don't get me wrong and you know when you are going up against a T1 4 man that its automatic stomp) and you still get to see odd r unusual builds. it seems the higher you get in tier the more boring things become. you see the same meta mechs over and over with the same meta builds. seriously if the over competitive try hards really want to prove how good they are pull the same numbers with a stock build or some oddball concoction.

as for FP the main reason most new players avoid it like the plague that it is is because they don't want to get farmed by 12 man comp groups over and over or deal with the toxic crap they spew when you would rather play something fun (though still good) instead of the same 3 meta builds over and over again.





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