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[feeWAIVER]

Louis Brofist, on 28 November 2022 - 12:39 PM, said:

I've logged my games this evening.

I'm 82 percentile, solo player, which is basically sh*tty low end Tier 1. These are EU servers at prime time.
This is an average night of MWO gaming played over a period of 3 hours, it didn't stand out in any way.
I realize the sample size is small, but it's more or less representative of what MWO looks like for a T1 solo player.

W/L Win/Loss
(s) survived round
+/-/= PSR gain/loss/no change

W+(s)
L+
W+(s)
W+(s)
W+(s)
L-
L-
L-
W+
W=
L-
W+
L-
L=


W/L ratio is exactly 50% - 7 wins 7 losses.
The longest loss streak was 3 rounds.
The longest death streak was 9 rounds.

This illustrates my point perfectly. People equate deaths with losses, exaggerate actual team losses and are biased towards complaining, negativity and blaming the game and MM. There's NO WAY you had a 12 loss streak. If you log in and stand still without contributing you will not get a 12 loss streak.

While improbable, it's not impossible, and it does happen...
I don't think people are confusing deaths and losses..

[RockmachinE]

In 15000 drops I've never experienced a 12 loss streak, not even close to 12. I'm not good enough to skew games in my favor that much. People are biased and love to complain. Unless I see a stream or vod of a 12 loss streak I'm not buying it.

Edited by Louis Brofist, 28 November 2022 - 01:14 PM.

[Duke Falcon]

Quote

There's NO WAY you had a 12 loss streak. If you log in and stand still without contributing you will not get a 12 loss streak.

Theoretically... If I do that what may I get?
Because theoretically I may go lunatic and team-kill it could be get a 12 loss streak. Theoretically.
Without a proper compensation\reward I not want to illustrate it in-game (team kill is sad to be bad you see).
On the other hand... Maybe for the sheer sake of chaos I would try this 12 loss streak even if I alone must obliterate half my team!
Sounds fun?

[RockmachinE]

Duke Falcon, on 28 November 2022 - 01:28 PM, said:

Theoretically... If I do that what may I get?

DM me and we will arrange for some compensation for your efforts.

Igen? Igen!

[feeWAIVER]

Louis Brofist, on 28 November 2022 - 01:11 PM, said:

In 15000 drops I've never experienced a 12 loss streak, not even close to 12. I'm not good enough to skew games in my favor that much. People are biased and love to complain. Unless I see a stream or vod of a 12 loss streak I'm not buying it.

If it's possible to lose a coin toss 12 times in a row, it's equally possible to lose 12 matches in a row.
Like I said, about a week or so ago I was on the losing end roughly 8 games before I logged out.
Someone from MJ12 made fun of my rage, and I couldn't help but laugh with them.

Is it typical? No, just like a coin toss, you have a 50% chance to win... But it's far from impossible.
And who knows, maybe it happens because the matchmaker thinks I should be able to carry harder than I can.
Or maybe it's the timezone.
Or maybe some good teams happen to be playing and I lost the coin toss to be on their side? Or maybe the matchmaker thinks putting me on the bad side will balance it out?
I dunno... But I'm certainly not lying, and I don't believe anyone else in this thread is either.

Edited by feeWAIVER, 28 November 2022 - 03:59 PM.

[Meep Meep]

It's always been around a 50/50 split for me but I tend to play very long sessions when I find time to play. Can't say I remember ever having a loss or win streak of more than three or four though and those are not all that common.

[sycocys]

Louis Brofist, on 28 November 2022 - 01:11 PM, said:

In 15000 drops I've never experienced a 12 loss streak, not even close to 12. I'm not good enough to skew games in my favor that much. People are biased and love to complain. Unless I see a stream or vod of a 12 loss streak I'm not buying it.

Don't know if its any better now, but some of those events a couple years ago it wasn't even uncommon to get 20-30+ loss streaks. People would drop and alpha suicide because the were on the wrong map, or suicide alpha rush because they needed 100 damage in 30 or 50 games.
Was a while where there was an absurd amount of TKers dropping in King Crabs.

[RockmachinE]

feeWAIVER, on 28 November 2022 - 03:58 PM, said:

If it's possible to lose a coin toss 12 times in a row, it's equally possible to lose 12 matches in a row.
Like I said, about a week or so ago I was on the losing end roughly 8 games before I logged out.
Someone from MJ12 made fun of my rage, and I couldn't help but laugh with them.

Is it typical? No, just like a coin toss, you have a 50% chance to win... But it's far from impossible.
And who knows, maybe it happens because the matchmaker thinks I should be able to carry harder than I can.
Or maybe it's the timezone.
Or maybe some good teams happen to be playing and I lost the coin toss to be on their side? Or maybe the matchmaker thinks putting me on the bad side will balance it out?
I dunno... But I'm certainly not lying, and I don't believe anyone else in this thread is either.

Well strictly theoretically its sure possible, but how many times does it actually happen in practice? I'm not arguing that.

I still stand by the statement that people love to complain and thus exaggerate, or are simply biased. Sometimes it feels like you keep loosing, but if you actually look at it on paper you see it might have been 3 or 4 rounds and not 12. After all, 4 rounds can be a full hour of play if there's not a lot of people around to fill games.

[CFC Conky]

sycocys, on 28 November 2022 - 04:19 PM, said:

...
Was a while where there was an absurd amount of TKers dropping in King Crabs.

A couple of years ago there was a rash of TKers who would blast the ISIS anthem while doing their thing. They usually drove Dire Whales or King Crabs.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[feeWAIVER]

Louis Brofist, on 28 November 2022 - 04:19 PM, said:

Well strictly theoretically its sure possible, but how many times does it actually happen in practice? I'm not arguing that.

I still stand by the statement that people love to complain and thus exaggerate, or are simply biased. Sometimes it feels like you keep loosing, but if you actually look at it on paper you see it might have been 3 or 4 rounds and not 12. After all, 4 rounds can be a full hour of play if there's not a lot of people around to fill games.

I don't know how often it happens, there's a lot of people playing the game.
I typically have a rule to log off after 3 consecutive losses, but I know there's been times I've pushed it and continued to lose.

I think a lot of it could be due to timezone or day.
I'm starting to notice Saturday morning/afternoons tend to have a lot of bad games for me, but evenings through the week tend to be better, probably because more regulars are playing during the evenings.

[Darian DelFord]

Match Maker is wonky, I have had more losses this season compared to wins then I can remember. Its not from a lack of trying either. Sometimes the MM just hates you.

[Duke Falcon]

Louis Brofist, on 28 November 2022 - 01:36 PM, said:

DM me and we will arrange for some compensation for your efforts.

Igen? Igen!

Thanks for my long D&D experiences DM suddenly translated by my mind as "Dungeon Master" Funny!

Igen (yes):

Also, W\L means Win\Lost whereast (tk) means I commit team kill to keep the rail...

1.: L <easily, got some fancy team mates
2.: L (tk) <must killed one fellow heavy shoot in it's back to assure our loss
3.: L <nothing fancy, it were a stomp thanks for many stuffs apart from my timidity
4.: W (tk) <Experiment failed here because two reasons: I DC-d and got a premade group on our side. When I reconnected they saved the day...

Not achieved a streak of 12 loss (mostly because DC but the pre-made groups were also forgot to considerate at the beginning). Not know if any of my "preys" reported me or not. Not think I would be banned...

If so, were cool to be here!

...

Perhaps next year I may give another chance for this "experiment" but 'till then I stick to FP (I need that Star captain promotion!)

[RockmachinE]

Duke Falcon, on 29 November 2022 - 11:55 AM, said:

Thanks for my long D&D experiences DM suddenly translated by my mind as "Dungeon Master" Funny!

Igen (yes):

Also, W\L means Win\Lost whereast (tk) means I commit team kill to keep the rail...

1.: L <easily, got some fancy team mates
2.: L (tk) <must killed one fellow heavy shoot in it's back to assure our loss
3.: L <nothing fancy, it were a stomp thanks for many stuffs apart from my timidity
4.: W (tk) <Experiment failed here because two reasons: I DC-d and got a premade group on our side. When I reconnected they saved the day...

Not achieved a streak of 12 loss (mostly because DC but the pre-made groups were also forgot to considerate at the beginning). Not know if any of my "preys" reported me or not. Not think I would be banned...

If so, were cool to be here!

...

Perhaps next year I may give another chance for this "experiment" but 'till then I stick to FP (I need that Star captain promotion!)

I used to play D&D quite a bit with my buddies. So much fun.

Well I'm glad you participated in the experiment just goes to show that even with the worst intentions 12 loss streaks are hard to come by and an achievement in and of themselves .

[VeeOt Dragon]

i think the biggest losing streak i have had is is 6-8 i think (i'm a high T3 player). thing is it never gets higher than that because if i am on the losing team every match for 6 matches i tend to call it quits for the night and just not bother. even more so if they are all one sided stomps or how many had T1 4 man Units on the other team every match. (i have had a few times where it was going against the same comp group over and over with the expected stomps) hell i get bored even if i win and am on the stomping side to often.

[1Exitar1]

While losing 12 straight matches is hard, it can happen. I'm tempted to say it has happened to me, but it hasn't. I would always get a win somewhere in there and then go on another losing streak. This way it only SEEMED to be 12 straight losses. Heck, in the last 7 days, I have lost far more matches than I have won. My PSR went from the 'I' to just a hair above dropping to Tier 2. When you have so many losses it colors your vision to make it ALL seem bad.

Thankfully today I had 3 great matches. One was a loss, but I had fun, and the other two were wins with one being a nail biter! I decided to end my play time on that match! LOL

[Strelok7]

GoatHILL, on 24 November 2022 - 02:00 AM, said:

How are so many players so bad?

I am not a great player I am average, but 75% of my games I know which team will win at the match maker screen.

I played for 2+ hours tonight and won 2 games the rest of the team wondered around aimlessly are took up a position of 800m with a med laser mech.

How are players this bad, why does the match maker seem to put all of these players on one team with one or 2 ok players and the other team is stacked with half a dozen (non grouped) truly tier 1 players?

I want to win matches KDR is meaningless, I'd be happy with a w/l ratio of 1 but I am not good enough to carry 6-8 window lickers.

You are rolling with the same group = you are getting the same results. You want different results = break the cycle. Wait to join. Take a pause and come back. Sometime you will just have to reschedule your game hour.

[Weeny Machine]

Louis Brofist, on 28 November 2022 - 04:19 PM, said:

Well strictly theoretically its sure possible, but how many times does it actually happen in practice? I'm not arguing that.

I still stand by the statement that people love to complain and thus exaggerate, or are simply biased. Sometimes it feels like you keep loosing, but if you actually look at it on paper you see it might have been 3 or 4 rounds and not 12. After all, 4 rounds can be a full hour of play if there's not a lot of people around to fill games.

Most likely not that often. Nevertheless, I had a 7 loss streak today

[Pixel Hunter]

don't forget the fact that you may be playing against premade groups. can really tip the scales.

[Blood Rose]

From experience:
We drop
A few of us (the competent ones) try to do our job
We deal with the enemy forces facing us and turn to find the last of our teammates dropping dead, having solo zergrushed half the enemy team whilst the 2 to 4 of us were dealing with the other half
We are pretty beat up whilst the enemy mechs are still mostly fresh
GG

[Maj Destruction]

I don't know that I've ever had 12 losses in a row, but I've had some pretty rough nights where I might play 8 or 10 rounds and only see one or two wins. Sometimes I've even had such bad luck on consecutive days....so I usually set MWO aside for a few days to cool off.

Matt