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[w0qj]

Anyone using ATM more, now with reduced 60m Minimum Range (Dec 2022 patch)?

I'm hoping that the Mad Dog MDD-Prime(I) would get some love, now that ATM has been somewhat buffed up...

[VeeOt Dragon]

i tried it out a bit but its not likely that i will use them anymore than i do now. this has nothing to do with the weapon system but in that i am not a big fan of Clan mechs and almost never use them.

if i ever get around to playing more clan mechs the change does make it more likely that i will use them. though they are still 50/50 with LRM (don't take that the wrong way i actually like LRM and think they actually need a slight buff (more an indirect buff by increasing the lock on area, also a further nerf to radar derp nodes)

Edited by VeeOt Dragon, 26 December 2022 - 06:49 AM.

[PsionicMantis]

Ive been having a blast running the SHC-H with an atm12 and a heavy large laser. 60m is alot closer than you think and makes quite abit of difference.

Build for Reference:
shc-h

[Curccu]

w0qj, on 26 December 2022 - 06:15 AM, said:

Anyone using ATM more, now with reduced 60m Minimum Range (Dec 2022 patch)?

I'm hoping that the Mad Dog MDD-Prime(I) would get some love, now that ATM has been somewhat buffed up...

I'm tempted but so far I have been unable to start MWO client since patch (Me not motivated enough to play MWO issue not technical)... maybe Today... maybe.
Old good vgl-3 with 3xATM9 or maybe with 3x12 would be weapon of choice most likely.

[KursedVixen]

i still wish they had 0 meters but i've been using them> They are much better but yeah.


https://mwomercs.com...07#entry6482607

Edited by KursedVixen, 26 December 2022 - 11:38 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

ATMs minimum distance don't seem to matter much because you want to get close and the meta is just ERLL spam added with some gauss/ppc fire and if possible have an ECM aboard. So, if you want extra damage, you need to get close and penetrate the ECM (or fire without a lock).

That being said: another weapon system which gets suffocated by this obnoxious boring meta (thanks Cauldron!). I cannot understand why the easiest weapon system, lasers, are so powerful compared to other systems.

Edited by Weeny Machine, 27 December 2022 - 02:23 PM.

[Meep Meep]

Tried this out earlier today on the revenant and its pretty decent. People forget that atm now have a shorter min range and try to rush you and get reamed.

mdd-rv

Edited by Meep Meep, 27 December 2022 - 02:31 PM.

[PocketYoda]

Nope, missiles outside of srms really suck.

[LordNothing]

im still pretty good with atm boats. its nice to be able to dump missiles closer in, a few players didnt get the memo and didnt try to close in any closer than about 100 or so, bit mistake. i also had a stand off with a guy with hppcs. where my min range was shorter than his. he just stood there at 93, blasting away, while eating tons of atms.

[-Winter]

Weeny Machine, on 27 December 2022 - 02:15 PM, said:

ATMs minimum distance don't seem to matter much because you want to get close and the meta is just ERLL spam added with some gauss/ppc fire and if possible have an ECM aboard. So, if you want extra damage, you need to get close and penetrate the ECM (or fire without a lock).

That being said: another weapon system which gets suffocated by this obnoxious boring meta (thanks Cauldron!). I cannot understand why the easiest weapon system, lasers, are so powerful compared to other systems.

I'm sorry did you just say Lasers do not require skill, but that LOCK ON missiles do? Are people really complaining that Dakka, Lasers, PPC, SRM and Gauss all weapons you have to AIM are stronger then weapons you can play with 1 button lol?

On Topic ATM VGLs are in a pretty solid spot right now.

Edited by -Winter, 28 December 2022 - 08:09 AM.

[Curccu]

-Winter, on 28 December 2022 - 08:03 AM, said:

I'm sorry did you just say Lasers do not require skill, but that LOCK ON missiles do? Are people really complaining that Dakka, Lasers, PPC, SRM and Gauss all weapons you have to AIM are stronger then weapons you can play with 1 button lol?

On Topic ATM VGLs are in a pretty solid spot right now.

Well I have to agree somewhat with Weeny on this one. I at least can do way easier same damage (and better focused damage because I can actually aim) with laser vomit than I can with ATMs, there is ridiculous amount of ECM in quickplay and almost everyone has maxed out radar derp so getting locks, keeping those and not getting nailed in to my face while getting those have been bit challenging when I tried ATMs with vapor few days ago.

[feeWAIVER]

I keep hearing Incoming Missile and getting hit with what feels like an Lrm 5.
Is that ATMs?

[Curccu]

feeWAIVER, on 28 December 2022 - 12:17 PM, said:

I keep hearing Incoming Missile and getting hit with what feels like an Lrm 5.
Is that ATMs?

If that is shot far away and it's ATM3 or 6 then pretty much... nice volley within max damage range slaps you pretty nicely.

[Weeny Machine]

-Winter, on 28 December 2022 - 08:03 AM, said:

I'm sorry did you just say Lasers do not require skill, but that LOCK ON missiles do? Are people really complaining that Dakka, Lasers, PPC, SRM and Gauss all weapons you have to AIM are stronger then weapons you can play with 1 button lol?

On Topic ATM VGLs are in a pretty solid spot right now.

Do you want to really argue that a hitscan weapon which can shoot across whole map (lasers) are easier to use as a lock on weapon which can be evaded by terrain, have velocity and impacted by the 2424 ECMs on the field. Kay...

[-Winter]

Curccu, on 28 December 2022 - 10:09 AM, said:

Well I have to agree somewhat with Weeny on this one. I at least can do way easier same damage (and better focused damage because I can actually aim) with laser vomit than I can with ATMs, there is ridiculous amount of ECM in quickplay and almost everyone has maxed out radar derp so getting locks, keeping those and not getting nailed in to my face while getting those have been bit challenging when I tried ATMs with vapor few days ago.

I will agree ECM is everywhere and radar derp could be knocked down a bit, but I don't want to go back to the days of golden lurms.

Weeny Machine, on 28 December 2022 - 12:29 PM, said:

Do you want to really argue that a hitscan weapon which can shoot across whole map (lasers) are easier to use as a lock on weapon which can be evaded by terrain, have velocity and impacted by the 2424 ECMs on the field. Kay...

You also had mentioned Gauss and PPC both of which have a higher skill gap to play well. I remember the days of missile heaven coming down on a whole team. Easier to use? Yes. Having your team get locks for you and pressing one button is easier then taking off components strategically while exposing your mech for the burn. You complain about PPC's but love it when we disable that ECM for you lol. Maybe you peak a little for ATMs usually on a JJ and never exposing with LRMs. Id love to see ATMs a bit better, but not at the risk of bringing back LURM boats. ATMs do take some skill so don't take that the wrong way.

Edited by -Winter, 28 December 2022 - 01:25 PM.

[KursedVixen]

-Winter, on 28 December 2022 - 01:18 PM, said:

I will agree ECM is everywhere and radar derp could be knocked down a bit, but I don't want to go back to the days of golden lurms.




You also had mentioned Gauss and PPC both of which have a higher skill gap to play well. I remember the days of missile heaven coming down on a whole team. Easier to use? Yes. Having your team get locks for you and pressing one button is easier then taking off components strategically while exposing your mech for the burn. You complain about PPC's but love it when we disable that ECM for you lol. Maybe you peak a little for ATMs usually on a JJ and never exposing with LRMs. Id love to see ATMs a bit better, but not at the risk of bringing back LURM boats. ATMs do take some skill so don't take that the wrong way.

addint to this ATms don't have as much of an arc as LRms forcing you to either be very close to the same level of height or out in the open if to get hit with atms Lrms however have the potential to curve over a hill and hit you Atms do not.

[MrMadguy]

PGI are so slow. They've buffed LRMs to have more dmg, when they're used for direct fire. At that exact moment ATMs were obsoleted. They're too big and heavy. And therefore should have some advantage over LRMs to be viable.

[Meep Meep]

Hehehe..

Get the right map and you don't want to get caught out in front of this.

bas-a

[Maddermax]

I’ve been using an ATM Vapor eagle, something I didn’t use back in the skill-eagle hay day. It performs quite well, and when you have the chance at shooting at optimal range without cover, it can absolutely dish out massive damage. That said, it is massively affected by terrain, much more so than LRMs, so you have to find a good position, or play aggressively to get to places to shoot without cover interfering. Even poptarting is hard unless you’re getting targets from UAVs.
Altogether ATMs are effective and a good weapon, the minimum range makes them slightly easier to use, but they’re still going to be less popular than LRMs, which are much easier again for mid- and low skill players to use.

Edited by Maddermax, 28 December 2022 - 11:10 PM.

[Davegt27]

ATMs
edit: not my video

Edited by Davegt27, 29 December 2022 - 01:10 AM.