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[Weeny Machine]

I know that MWO is the only online pvp game where there is no cheating according to the forum but lately weird things go on on regular basis:

1. Shots from the front register completely on your back armour
And with that I mean shots which were taken on mid to long range and clearly from the front. Maybe it is bad coding but it is weird anyway.

2. Headshots
Before my break, 1.5 years ago I was headshotted once in a blue moon. Currently it happens sometimes 2-3 times per week. I just come from a game, the game started I jumped up and received a headshot and was instantly dead. Often, not always, you expect a surprised reply from the player. I mean, the game just started and the enemy mech blew up. Could be he wasn't so surprised that that would happen... but sure, this is no proof.

Edited by Weeny Machine, 28 January 2023 - 01:27 AM.

[Weeny Machine]

Second game, second headshot... just wow.

[Orion_]

I had a weird thing yesterday where I took like 500 damage instantly with no sounds whatsoever. Lost the entire right side of my Marauder instantly while no enemies were near me, that I saw, and no one was shooing, that I saw. There are some goofy hitboxes and sometimes impact sounds don't play right though so, in my case at least, I just assume someone got a really solid alpha on my back and the sound didn't play. That or God was like, "No, you don't get to snipe that Nightstar over there".

[Meep Meep]

The only thing I've noticed lately is that there seems a sharp uptick in a bit too good aim er laser/ppc/gauss mechs. Getting a full clean burn on the ct of a full out zig zagging mascing flea is not something even data could pull off and I've watched his videos enough to know he has some unnaturally good aim. And by clean burn I mean not a drop of laser wash anywhere. Got gauss headshot in two games in a row by the same gauss direturret again full on the move zig zagging mascing flea. Saying that its still fairly rare it happens but it certainly seems to happen far more late night than prime time.

[Weeny Machine]

Lockheed_, on 28 January 2023 - 01:49 AM, said:

In before the GNX zealots show up.

1. known bug that can happen when the connection has a few minor hiccups.
2. do you run full head armor? do you tend to stare at the enemy? do you play mechs with large head hitboxes? there are more weapons popular now that can headshot you especially if you don't run full armor, or if you are already damaged.
Personally I have only been headshot twice in the last year and both were my fault for staring at a capable enemy in a mech with an easy to identify head hitbox.

Different mechs from various lights to meds which I switch regularly. And usually I am quite mobile. The first headshot happened at sniper range on Mining map when I jumped up on the very top on one of the buildings which are separated from the central element by a kind of road. The shot occured while I was moving backwars around the bulb at the top. So I was not moving in a straight line but in a curve.
The 2nd headshot at midrange but I was moving not straight back but also in a lateral or diagonal movement.

If I were standing still or moving a straight line, I could understand that more or less. However, headshotting someone who moves sideways or at least half-sideways is extremely hard to do

Edited by Weeny Machine, 28 January 2023 - 02:03 AM.

[sycocys]

I've more than a few times accidentally ac20'd a running light in the cockpit - would say that with the laser burn and even more vomit than in years past with heavy lasers in the mix, just having an idea where the cockpit is and rolling that area is probably likely to get a bunch of them.

Never bothered ever figuring out where cockpits on lights are, their armor (at least then) was always plenty low enough that it wasn't worth the effort.

But to the question of if there are people cheating in this game - absolutely there are. It would be foolish to think the players wall hacking and aim botting years ago just stopped when their alt/hack account was banned or that new players that want to be more competitive than their skill allows wouldn't do the same.

[crazytimes]

I played for a while on a 32" 4k monitor. I got more headshots in a few months than in many years. Some mechs have obvious central head hit boxes, and if people don't torso twist, and you're aiming at CT anyhow, it's not that hard to get damage on the head consistently.

I'm absolutely suspicious of some of the people that can hit jumping light mechs at long range in the head, particularly after watching some of the forbidden videos that we aren't allowed to talk about, but in general I just assume it's people playing on a decent monitor that are aiming in the right spots.

[Gasboy]

Could be a case of the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon. You noticed something happen and you keep seeing it happen. It could easily be such weirdness was always happening, you just missed it before.

[Weeny Machine]

Gasboy, on 29 January 2023 - 05:51 AM, said:

Could be a case of the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon. You noticed something happen and you keep seeing it happen. It could easily be such weirdness was always happening, you just missed it before.

You realize that you see the cause of your death at the end? Like engine destroyed or cockpit destroyed...

[feeWAIVER]

Last night I got headshot right at the beginning of a match.
First shot that hit me, popped me in the face and killed me.

[Buster Machine 0]

Weeny Machine, on 28 January 2023 - 01:59 AM, said:

In before the GNX zealots show up.

Hey, there's nothing quite like being zealous about MWO needing an anti-cheat to reduce rampant hackusations and improve game health only to get rampantly hackusated a few years later by someone from a unit that has had two members banned for hacking...

And somehow we're in the wrong...

Weeny Machine, on 28 January 2023 - 01:23 AM, said:

I know that MWO is the only online pvp game where there is no cheating according to the forum but lately weird things go on on regular basis:

1. Shots from the front register completely on your back armour
And with that I mean shots which were taken on mid to long range and clearly from the front. Maybe it is bad coding but it is weird anyway.

2. Headshots
Before my break, 1.5 years ago I was headshotted once in a blue moon. Currently it happens sometimes 2-3 times per week. I just come from a game, the game started I jumped up and received a headshot and was instantly dead. Often, not always, you expect a surprised reply from the player. I mean, the game just started and the enemy mech blew up. Could be he wasn't so surprised that that would happen... but sure, this is no proof.

1. This is typical wonky hit reg registered on your back or your rear pelvis was exposed.

2. Insufficient head armor, Increasing overall player skill level, and... hackers

Once again, video games will always have hackers and video games without anti-cheat will have 1000x more hackers.

[LordNothing]

i just aim for heads anyway. aim small miss small, i usually miss and hit the ct though.

also collision detection integrates on the game tick (30 fps). and there is no inter-frame hit detection as far as i can tell. this is slow enough that on some mechs the shot will just teleport from right in front of your to your rear and register on the back component.

you can usually get around this by doing a ray cast from the previous position to the current position, and see if it hits something. if you bisect multiple hitboxes, use the one closest to the previous position. or use a capsule collider to represent the area passed by the projectile since the last frame, again using the hit box closest to the origin. or integrate faster (60 fps) and hope the steps are small enough that it knows exactly which box it hits. if distance covered between frames > the depth of your box, you are going to have problems.

Edited by LordNothing, 30 January 2023 - 06:17 AM.

[-Winter]

Weeny Machine, on 28 January 2023 - 01:23 AM, said:

I know that MWO is the only online pvp game where there is no cheating according to the forum but lately weird things go on on regular basis:

1. Shots from the front register completely on your back armour
And with that I mean shots which were taken on mid to long range and clearly from the front. Maybe it is bad coding but it is weird anyway.

2. Headshots
Before my break, 1.5 years ago I was headshotted once in a blue moon. Currently it happens sometimes 2-3 times per week. I just come from a game, the game started I jumped up and received a headshot and was instantly dead. Often, not always, you expect a surprised reply from the player. I mean, the game just started and the enemy mech blew up. Could be he wasn't so surprised that that would happen... but sure, this is no proof.

1.) Sh*t servers with Sh*t tick rates = Sh*t hit reg
2.) Meta is Meta. Stripped head armor + Lots of Gauss running around, lots of peeps running around.

Edited by -Winter, 01 February 2023 - 12:17 PM.

[Sjorpha]

Shots from the front sometimes registering on back armour has been around forever, it also doesn't really make sense as a form of cheating because it's not something you could easily hack client-side. Why would anyone bother programming or using such a weird cheat when there is aimbots and wallhacks.

I've seen a bit more headshots but I've also landed more headshots, it turns out that once you start deliberately trying to headshot people there are a lot of situations where it's not that hard to do. It's such a hard thing to judge because there are players who are genuinely good at headshotting, meaning you can't safely assume it's cheating just because it's a headshot.

But sure, given that MWO has basically no resources allocated to it anymore there is probably no serious reviewing of reports and that could mean more cheating.

[BLACKR0SE]

I never look for a head, it is very difficult for me at that time of conflict. but I get 3 kills in a match using gauss. I only get more money and points in the matches where I get an assist without difficulty, which is weird

kill doesn't give c-bill.
kill xp won't give

quite the contrary.

only score.

and it's annoying

[BLACKR0SE]

When I use a machine that uses lrm. i'm getting more xp and c-bill

[Knownswift]

Meep Meep, on 28 January 2023 - 01:57 AM, said:

lean burn on the ct of a full out zig zagging mascing flea is not something even data could pull off

I've watched him do it. The FLE has a huge CT hitbox for its size. Any weapon with a lower duration than it had two years ago also has bigger ticks. It's especially easy to do if you have elevation over the enemy fle, because it literally can't roll the damage somewhere else.

A FLE in the open is essentially dead or about to be dead.

Maintenance balance FLE was basically god mode (to most lasers) until you encountered ISMPL.

I personally don't like where its at now, even a really bad baddy fire hosing your entire profile can do significant damage in no time.

Edited by Knownswift, 01 February 2023 - 02:01 PM.

[Meep Meep]

Knownswift, on 01 February 2023 - 02:00 PM, said:

I've watched him do it. The FLE has a huge CT hitbox for its size. Any weapon with a lower duration than it had two years ago also has bigger ticks. It's especially easy to do if you have elevation over the enemy fle, because it literally can't roll the damage somewhere else.

A FLE in the open is essentially dead or about to be dead.

Maintenance balance FLE was basically god mode (to most lasers) until you encountered ISMPL.

I personally don't like where its at now, even a really bad baddy fire hosing your entire profile can do significant damage in no time.

Not without some measure of wash into something. When I say a clean burn I had 100% armor and afterwards it was all untouched but the ct with a perfect core out. No one is doing that to a zig zagging flea going 177kph if only for the buggy hitboxes at that speed. When you are in that mode and rapidly zagging it tosses hit detection into the dumpster. I've survived an incredible amount of incoming fire with barely a scratch doing that. So nah not going to convince me a human can do that.

[Orion_]

crazytimes, on 28 January 2023 - 09:42 PM, said:

I played for a while on a 32" 4k monitor. I got more headshots in a few months than in many years.

When I was grinding the hell out of Guillotine a couple months ago my monitor died and I had to use my 15" laptop screen. It was noticeably slower progress for a week or two. It isnt surprising when you think about it but DAMN it makes a difference.

Sjorpha, on 01 February 2023 - 01:16 PM, said:

I've seen a bit more headshots but I've also landed more headshots, it turns out that once you start deliberately trying to headshot people there are a lot of situations where it's not that hard to do.

It is absolutely comical the amount of people who call hacks for being headshot while standing completely still or even shut down. Yes they are a pain in the *** especially with the janky hit reg and weird hitboxes but it also isn't overwhelmingly hard in a lot of cases if it is what you are TRYING to do. That said, in the 1000+ Ive gotten personally only about 100 were on a moving target and that is being suer generous. For some reason the Dire Wolf and King Crab have been the most successful hit rate for me which is weird because I always expected the Highlander or Nightstar would be the easiest.

Edited by Orion_, 01 February 2023 - 11:18 PM.

[BLACKR0SE]