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[TheCaptainJZ]

The changes to Terra Therma Crucible look like a step in the right direction this time.

[Heavy Money]

evil kerensky, on 20 March 2023 - 03:38 AM, said:

Probably a little bit of both buddy. Pgi doesn't use resources if there isn't a financial return. It was bad, and they let it stay bad until it needed to be good to sell things.

Judging by the unnecessary buffs, I'd guess the direwolf is making them money too rn, lol (yes I realize it's just the comp guys in the cauldron trying to buff their pet farm mech, and pgi should feel ashamed their letting the cauldron do this crap).

The DWF buffs are to standardize it so that variants other than the C are worth playing. The DWF-C is the really strong one and it hasn't been improved here. None of these buffs make the DWF net stronger, they just let other variants be worthwhile. Those won't break the game because its specifically 2GR+4ERLL on that C that is turbo farming. This was a good change because other variants of a chassis shouldn't be punished because 1 is strong. (I do think 2GR+4ERLL on the C is too strong.)

Edited by Heavy Money, 20 March 2023 - 11:44 AM.

[Heavy Money]

Yeah I'm not sure how the Moonwalker got greenlit like this. "Let's take a Madcat B, one of the best all around dakka mechs that doesn't even need quirks, and then give it 2 more ballistic hardpoints!" What could possible go wrong? What's the role of the B now?

[Kodan Black]

Heavy Money, on 20 March 2023 - 11:59 AM, said:

Yeah I'm not sure how the Moonwalker got greenlit like this. "Let's take a Madcat B, one of the best all around dakka mechs that doesn't even need quirks, and then give it 2 more ballistic hardpoints!" What could possible go wrong? What's the role of the B now?

Not everyone will spend real money?

[Heavy Money]

the check engine light, on 20 March 2023 - 12:07 PM, said:

I like the flavor quirk thing just as a "gives the mech character" but that thing is terrifying while the Juggernaut will need some tweaking in Mechlab. The head mount is interesting though in the context of "quirks indicate a PPC goes here"... beyond that I'm not certain what to make of it. I just imagine the Moonwalker walking backwards as fast the Juggernaut will close, out of range of Juggernaut's weapons, pelting it to death slowly and farming damage numbers off its survivability quirking. It also effectively outmoding the MC2 B is also weird for reasons you stated.

Iunno. Moonwalker will definitely sell if that was the aim.

Oh, the quirks and mounts on its mechDB profile aren't its real quirks. That is from an earlier version that was found in the game files, probably before they did quirks. The real quirks we know from the screenshot in the patch notes. Its just 50% MG range and 25% MG RoF. There's no ECM or mounts other than the 8 ballistics.

[Will9761]

As much as I disagree with the name brand and mechs, their pilots are pretty legendary. So I gotta give PGI credit on that front. I mean, when you look at the lore of each Legendary pilot there's some story in here. You either want a powerful super mutant or a smooth criminal.




Decisions...decisions.

Edited by Will9761, 20 March 2023 - 02:39 PM.

[Bud Crue]

Will9761, on 20 March 2023 - 02:38 PM, said:

As much as I disagree with the name brand and mechs, their pilots are pretty legendary. So I gotta give PGI credit on that front. I mean, when you look at the lore of each Legendary pilot there's some story in here. You either want a powerful super mutant or a smooth criminal.
...
Decisions...decisions.

Moonwalker needs a "Thriller" warhorn. I would think all it would need is the first two notes of the song to be instantly recognizable. Then again that might be enough to be a copyright violation. Oh well.

Alas, the proper "I'm the Juggernaut B****!" warhorn that the Juggernaut deserves, would certainly never be acceptable to PGI even if they could get around the potential IP hazards. So much potential wasted.

Edited by Bud Crue, 20 March 2023 - 03:02 PM.

[Roodkapje]

Heavy Money, on 19 March 2023 - 02:39 PM, said:

So is the DWF, Anni, and MAD II and they are great.

Slowass Anni and 2 x Clan Paper Armor = Great ?!

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Says who? That is what they are being used for.

My buddy C337Skymaster

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The point is that scouting isn't supposed to be just a matter of dropping a target spotted or NARC and then running away.

Then what is ?!

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I think you've got some more quotes of me in that encyclopedia of a post, but I'm not reading through it all to see.

Rhaelcan, on 19 March 2023 - 05:56 PM, said:

Lmao, without the cauldron, the playerbase would be like 100 players. Should be happy that the game is actually being updated and not left to die.

Also jeezus, why the wall of messages.

Tabs and Copy > Paste aren't that hard just like reading fast!

Ohh and I seriously doubt that!

Rhaelcan, on 19 March 2023 - 06:31 PM, said:

Fafnir hitboxes are being changed because they are BAD, not cause of the legendary. SMH

Yeah right...

Voice of Kerensky, on 20 March 2023 - 02:51 AM, said:

Show this screenshot to your engineers and to the person who came up with the idea of combining groups and a solo quick play, PGI.
Perhaps this picture will make you take up the team balance.
Everything is great here:
- and balance in terms of the quality of players in teams;
- and balance by the presence and number of groups in teams;
- and the balance of mech tonnage in teams.
Gg, PGI.



P.S. I hope you feel at least a little bit of shame in front of the people on my "team".

&

Voice of Kerensky, on 20 March 2023 - 03:14 AM, said:

The previous post had a screenshot from my first fight tonight.
And this is a screenshot from my second fight.



I know for sure one guy who could spend the evening in the game today, but did not do it because of your matchmaker.
I'm waiting for you once again with sad faces to complain about the lack of online.

Where is the large version of those screenshots ?!

C337Skymaster, on 20 March 2023 - 03:36 AM, said:

This is moving in the wrong direction. This game has been continuously speeding up over the past 10 years, and it needs to be slowed down, again. At the time, if you wanted a fast twitchy game, you went and played Hawken. That game died, and this one stuck around, because people enjoyed a slow, thoughtful shooter that didn't rely as much on how much coke you had the night before.

I know how you feel about that part, but what done is done and 48 km/h simply sucks!

sycocys, on 20 March 2023 - 04:50 AM, said:

Curious when the trashcan's armor is going to get reduced and/or hitboxes looked at. It's a light mech, it shouldn't be tanking damage like a heavy mech.
The more I see it, the more a lot of it seems to be hitbox/reg issues, but it also has far too much armor either way (it's as much as most medium mechs).
Spread damage weapons don't seem to spread (hit multiple boxes) most of the time and only do partial damage to the box they do register on. Also the legs for some reason don't seem to take full damage either, its not uncommon to dump 3-4+ of 5+ mpl/spl rounds into their legs and barely change the color - even if they had full armor on top of the quirks that much short burst should be legging easily. -Kind of sad when it's faster to fully leg a 100 ton mech with full armor than take a single leg off of one 35 ton mech with fat legs.

Trashcan has always been weird and some variants tank damage better than others...

Many Lights are in general very buggy when it comes to hitboxes so we just leg them!

Will9761, on 20 March 2023 - 02:38 PM, said:

As much as I disagree with the name brand and mechs, their pilots are pretty legendary. So I gotta give PGI credit on that front. I mean, when you look at the lore of each Legendary pilot there's some story in here. You either want a powerful super mutant or a smooth criminal.




Decisions...decisions.

Dude! Brilliant!

[Will9761]

I would love it if PGI made an achievement called "Anni, Are You Ok?". To get it, you have to kill an Annihilator with the Moonwalker mech. That would be funny.

[Heavy Money]

Roodkapje, on 20 March 2023 - 03:29 PM, said:

Slowass Anni and 2 x Clan Paper Armor = Great ?!

Lol the MAD II is IS and is one of the most durable mechs in the game. And Anni and DWF are two of the best mechs in the game. Shows how much you understand what's going on.

Roodkapje, on 20 March 2023 - 03:29 PM, said:

Then what is ?!

Quirks are being used to compensate for bad hardpoints and hitboxes, catch IS up to clan, and in some cases, specialize a variant into some particular loadout to give it a useful role. You can dislike this, but saying it isn't what they are supposed to do is meaningless. There's no rule that says that, and that is what is being done.

[sycocys]

Roodkapje, on 20 March 2023 - 03:29 PM, said:

Trashcan has always been weird and some variants tank damage better than others...

Many Lights are in general very buggy when it comes to hitboxes so we just leg them!

Like I said, it's often faster to fully leg a 100 ton assault than take a single one off of a trashcan. Had one jump up right in front of me last night and take a double tap of uac20 and 3 cycles of spl to one leg and it didn't even take the armor off. And that's after chasing it and pulsing up it's legs for a good minute already.

[Rhaelcan]

evil kerensky, on 20 March 2023 - 03:38 AM, said:

Probably a little bit of both buddy. Pgi doesn't use resources if there isn't a financial return. It was bad, and they let it stay bad until it needed to be good to sell things.

Judging by the unnecessary buffs, I'd guess the direwolf is making them money too rn, lol (yes I realize it's just the comp guys in the cauldron trying to buff their pet farm mech, and pgi should feel ashamed their letting the cauldron do this crap).

"Buddy" Really? Man, I shouldn't read forums. [redacted]

Roodkapje, on 20 March 2023 - 03:29 PM, said:

Slowass Anni and 2 x Clan Paper Armor = Great ?!


My buddy C337Skymaster


Then what is ?!



Tabs and Copy > Paste aren't that hard just like reading fast!

Ohh and I seriously doubt that!


Yeah right...


&

Where is the large version of those screenshots ?!


I know how you feel about that part, but what done is done and 48 km/h simply sucks!


Trashcan has always been weird and some variants tank damage better than others...

Many Lights are in general very buggy when it comes to hitboxes so we just leg them!


Dude! Brilliant!

Bro. Guess you aren't a tier 5 player if you don't SEE THE FAFNIR being CT'd almost. every. *******. game. [redacted]

Edited by Ekson Valdez, 21 March 2023 - 12:45 AM.

[Rhaelcan]

Anywho, if the game was left in maintinence mode, the population would be dwindling. At least its still active.

[evil kerensky]

Heavy Money, on 20 March 2023 - 11:43 AM, said:

The DWF buffs are to standardize it so that variants other than the C are worth playing. The DWF-C is the really strong one and it hasn't been improved here. None of these buffs make the DWF net stronger, they just let other variants be worthwhile. Those won't break the game because its specifically 2GR+4ERLL on that C that is turbo farming. This was a good change because other variants of a chassis shouldn't be punished because 1 is strong. (I do think 2GR+4ERLL on the C is too strong.)

why, ecm doesnt bring too much to the build. your optimal ranges are outside of sensor range anyways. and now with the w ct, its more heat capacity and 10% balistic velocity. up to 15% total as far as i can tell. quick question, did they want to make the gauss rifles hitscan too? it seems like a buff if you know positioning, and nothing is changing if you dont. so its a buff to their favorite build, because they all know how to position themselves to be just at optimal range.

edit. oh ya, they also all got a massive armour quirk buff on almost all the torso omnipods. ya, definetly makes sense.

Edited by evil kerensky, 20 March 2023 - 10:18 PM.

[Voice of Kerensky]

Roodkapje, on 20 March 2023 - 03:29 PM, said:

Where is the large version of those screenshots ?!

Strange. Now I checked - I have pictures open.
Let me try to post links like this.
Screenshot from first post: https://ibb.co/T85T62c
Screenshot from second post: https://ibb.co/T4znxjP

[Cyrilis]

So concerning the Terra Therma map Changes: we are basically back at the original design. Very good. I was always a supporter of the pizza oven fights.
Nice to see it coming back...

[MeanMachinE]

Why are you releasing Fafnir Juggernaut with a build that will get the player banned? Or have you changed your policy about "troll" builds at some point? In the past one of our unit members got banned because of running Dire Wolf with only machine guns as weaponry. Is this allowed nowadays? Could PGI please confirm/clarify, thanks! I believe the code of conduct issue is basically assisting the enemy.

[suum74]

Bud Crue, on 20 March 2023 - 03:02 PM, said:

Moonwalker needs a "Thriller" warhorn. I would think all it would need is the first two notes of the song to be instantly recognizable. Then again that might be enough to be a copyright violation. Oh well.

Alas, the proper "I'm the Juggernaut B****!" warhorn that the Juggernaut deserves, would certainly never be acceptable to PGI even if they could get around the potential IP hazards. So much potential wasted.

And I am hoping one of the next legendary mechs will be a medium mech with the name "Claptrap" and a decent Borderlands 2-warhorn with "Pop goes the bandit!"!!! =>

[SCHLIMMER BESTIMMER XXX]

sycocys, on 20 March 2023 - 04:14 PM, said:

Like I said, it's often faster to fully leg a 100 ton assault than take a single one off of a trashcan. Had one jump up right in front of me last night and take a double tap of uac20 and 3 cycles of spl to one leg and it didn't even take the armor off. And that's after chasing it and pulsing up it's legs for a good minute already.

yea its pretty strange, cant tell the reason either.first i thought its a ping issue or inability of the game engine with very high speeds to make shots register... but i tried with my bro in a private lobby (so online enviorment) and when he landed a hit with his assault on my piranha he told me, and i was hit allways when he said so.took one alpha strike and right torso was gone instantly (bro also had ac20 and ppc´s).so really cant tell whats the problem there, and there IS A PROBLEM, obviously

[DAEDALOS513]

MeanMachinE, on 21 March 2023 - 05:37 AM, said:

Why are you releasing Fafnir Juggernaut with a build that will get the player banned? Or have you changed your policy about "troll" builds at some point? In the past one of our unit members got banned because of running Dire Wolf with only machine guns as weaponry. Is this allowed nowadays? Could PGI please confirm/clarify, thanks! I believe the code of conduct issue is basically assisting the enemy.

I highly doubt he was banned just for that..