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[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

PocketYoda, on 19 May 2023 - 08:18 PM, said:

Yes in lower tiers for sure one or two alphas is all i need to literally remove 50% of a Fafnirs weapons.. A core is a lot more trouble as my accuracy is not tier 1 good or its just not visible behind terrain.. sure i can aim for the torso and whittle it away or i can wipe 50% of its weapons in a second or two.. i go the latter in tier 3. Especially for those idiots using XL engines..

sorry, but you lost at "at lower tiers". everything goes at lower tiers.
gotta balance at what a capable person can do with it, and not at beginner-level.

if you go THAT route, beginners can use something, while Vets WILL abuse something.
so, look at it from a solid t4-t3 angle: once you learn how to twist your torso, it's a buff;

took you X damage to get 2hvy.gauss+5ermed-lasers off the field,
takes X+Y damage now; => buff.
very. simple. math.

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 20 May 2023 - 06:45 AM.

[Necroconvict]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 20 May 2023 - 06:44 AM, said:

sorry, but you lost at "at lower tiers". everything goes at lower tiers.
gotta balance at what a capable person can do with it, and not at beginner-level.

if you go THAT route, beginners can use something, while Vets WILL abuse something.
so, look at it from a solid t4-t3 angle: once you learn how to twist your torso, it's a buff;

took you X damage to get 2hvy.gauss+5ermed-lasers off the field,
takes X+Y damage now; => buff.
very. simple. math.

Call it a buff all you want.... you can pult lipstick on a pig.. but it's still a pig. Some of us are pretty good at twisting, some even at shouting. Unfortunate this change has been. Some of you keep that kool-aid going though. They can do no wrong, and no pride will change that.

[Dogmeat1]

Necroconvict, on 23 May 2023 - 03:20 AM, said:

Call it a buff all you want.... you can pult lipstick on a pig.. but it's still a pig. Some of us are pretty good at twisting, some even at shouting. Unfortunate this change has been. Some of you keep that kool-aid going though. They can do no wrong, and no pride will change that.

This sounds like a you problem. The fafnir now can actually twist & tank damage now whereas before it was one of the easiest assaults to kill via CT. In the time it now takes to lose one side torso, a fafnir with old hitboxes would already be cherry red CT against anyone competent. If I lose a side torso then I can use that to deadside protect the remaining torsos and still output damage. The old fafnir though would just be dead and doing zero damage. While I do think the Fafnir could use a torso twist speed buff to help take advantage of its new hitboxes, it's no contest to which is better. Your mileage may vary and any mech that is used poorly is going to perform poorly.

Edited by Dogmeat1, 23 May 2023 - 08:50 AM.

[foamyesque]

Dogmeat1, on 23 May 2023 - 08:50 AM, said:

This sounds like a you problem. The fafnir now can actually twist & tank damage now whereas before it was one of the easiest assaults to kill via CT. In the time it now takes to lose one side torso, a fafnir with old hitboxes would already be cherry red CT against anyone competent. If I lose a side torso then I can use that to deadside protect the remaining torsos and still output damage. The old fafnir though would just be dead and doing zero damage. While I do think the Fafnir could use a torso twist speed buff to help take advantage of its new hitboxes, it's no contest to which is better. Your mileage may vary and any mech that is used poorly is going to perform poorly.

People keep saying that, but I have yet to encounter a Fafnir pilot that has managed to twist worth a damn. The thing is still a barn door and if they want to try deadsiding with the exploded torso, hey, that means all their guns are offline until they slowly try to pivot back, at which point the other ST exposes and you can have all the time in the world to pike it before their half-strength gunnery comes to bear.

There are a lot of people who killed or disabled Fafnirs beforehand by going ST -> ST (I am one of them), so it isn't an increase in the amount of damage required to mission-kill them now. It's actually easier. It just means, once you've taken both side torsos, that you get to farm a bit of free damage on a helpless stick.

I strongly suspect that the increased ease in doing this -- it is very consistently one good brawl/lasvom alpha into each ST now, because chip damage has already weakened the armour beforehand with the STs now catching more of it -- more than counteracts the people who were CT coring who are now finding that harder.

[PocketYoda]

Apparently we aren't the only ones that noticed....
https://steamcommuni...71151461854550/

heh.

[epikt]

Apparently you're not the only ones that are clueless...

heh.

[PocketYoda]

epikt, on 26 May 2023 - 07:14 PM, said:

Apparently you're not the only ones that are clueless...

heh.

Don't like being wrong i see.. you are.

[Necroconvict]

the check engine light, on 26 May 2023 - 11:29 PM, said:

Are you even playing the game or are you just here to forumwarrior?

The same can be said for most of us in that case... I'm here often while the game is searching for a match. Gives me a LOT of time to forumwarrior. There's no wait time.

[PocketYoda]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 20 May 2023 - 06:44 AM, said:

sorry, but you lost at "at lower tiers". everything goes at lower tiers.
gotta balance at what a capable person can do with it, and not at beginner-level.

if you go THAT route, beginners can use something, while Vets WILL abuse something.
so, look at it from a solid t4-t3 angle: once you learn how to twist your torso, it's a buff;

took you X damage to get 2hvy.gauss+5ermed-lasers off the field,
takes X+Y damage now; => buff.
very. simple. math.

So all lower tiers should quit and leave the game.. we lost so our money is not worth the same as you glorious upper tiers..

the check engine light, on 26 May 2023 - 11:29 PM, said:

Are you even playing the game or are you just here to forumwarrior?

Its not hard to check..

Edited by PocketYoda, 27 May 2023 - 05:33 AM.

[Widowmaker1981]

PocketYoda, on 27 May 2023 - 05:32 AM, said:

So all lower tiers should quit and leave the game.. we lost so our money is not worth the same as you glorious upper tiers..

Its more that the main skill in this game is simply understanding the mechanics and applying that to mech builds and positioning. As such, its entirely possible to learn and improve - Its not like a lot of other FPS games where you need incredible twitch reaction skills to excel, because of limits to mech agility.

However, a lot of people refuse to even attempt to do that and demand that the game be dumbed down to their level instead, which is annoying.

This thread is a perfect example, with higher tier players saying the hitboxes are better because its actually possible to use defensive tactics to keep yourself alive longer and lower tier players (who probably stare too much) saying its worse and demanding it be changed back, rather than taking advice on board and trying to see if altering their playstyle will improve results.

Edited by Widowmaker1981, 27 May 2023 - 05:54 AM.

[Hauptmann Keg Steiner]

foamyesque, on 18 May 2023 - 12:57 PM, said:

I believe Fafnir's are one of the most common STD engine'd machines in the game, just because a lot of them are doing H. Gauss, and that requires fully free torsos. Or LBX20s, but I think that's a lot less frequent. Outside of that I can't imagine people are going beyond an LFE because, well, look at a Fafnir and those giant actual SHOOT HERE FOR MASSIVE DAMAGE side torsos, the only thing it's missing is a blinking red light and a quest marker. At least XL Annihilators or Atlases have less obvious, and smaller, side torso geos.

Back before the recent hitbox change I ran an XL Fafnir just to see how often people would bother trying to XL check it. It even had Gauss (in the arms, since 6U, but who even reads that far in pugland these days?) just to encourage it.

It died from ST destruction maybe 20% of the time, and I'm pretty sure that's being generous. Coring them was so easy and so automatic for most players there was no reason to bother unless a stray shot had already peeled off the ST armor, and even then it still would get cored more often than not.


Also, while technically it can twist damage better than before, between the massive STs and sluggish yaw speed that's tripping over a super low bar. Maybe if the arms were as long as they were on the MW4 Fafs that would amount to something.

[SafeScanner]

Maybe stop using Heavy guass your side torso might live a bit longer because you don't have to get so close with the magical 50 dmg

But getting CT'ed by Hvy Guass anni is amusing

Edited by SafeScanner, 27 May 2023 - 07:13 PM.

[Necroconvict]

Widowmaker1981, on 27 May 2023 - 05:54 AM, said:

Its more that the main skill in this game is simply understanding the mechanics and applying that to mech builds and positioning. As such, its entirely possible to learn and improve - Its not like a lot of other FPS games where you need incredible twitch reaction skills to excel, because of limits to mech agility.

However, a lot of people refuse to even attempt to do that and demand that the game be dumbed down to their level instead, which is annoying.

This thread is a perfect example, with higher tier players saying the hitboxes are better because its actually possible to use defensive tactics to keep yourself alive longer and lower tier players (who probably stare too much) saying its worse and demanding it be changed back, rather than taking advice on board and trying to see if altering their playstyle will improve results.

Bunch of damned snobs. I'm sorry I'm only a tier 2, and I disagree with you. A bunch of you seem to be on board with whatever they do. They could take the legs off your mech, call it an improvement, and you'd shake your heads and agree, while talking down to the plebs. This isn't going to go anywhere. There's to many people taking in the broken wind. Thanks for your time. I added my opinion, but I don't play with with people [color=#959595]*hoarding[/color] sticks up their butts.

The constant defense that well we the good players say this, but the bad players... the ones that may need up to a year to learn how to drive this mech redesign. If it'll take a year for average players to relearn, I think that's the problem. I know I'm wrong, and I'm just terrible. Obviously. You people are infallible, and all knowing. I bow to your wisdom, thank you for showing me that my ways are wrong, and inferior.

Thanks the check engine light. mistakes were made

Edited by Necroconvict, 27 May 2023 - 07:48 PM.

[SafeScanner]

How will it take a year to relearn how to use a faf?



The assualt experience from what i have seen

Edited by SafeScanner, 27 May 2023 - 08:07 PM.

[Necroconvict]

SafeScanner, on 27 May 2023 - 07:37 PM, said:

How will it take a year to relearn how to use a faf?

Bassault, on 13 May 2023 - 05:47 PM, said:

You couldn't torso twist with the Fafnir before. The CT used to stick out from a side profile. It was like a long, protruding CT that could be hit from any angle no matter how much you twisted. I understand that in tier 4 and 5 when you stand still while 3 people shoot at you, it might get your sides shot more but your opinion doesn't matter because in tier 4 and 5 anything is viable since no one there knows what they're doing. This is also why it isn't wise to measure balance from that sect of the playerbase.

Scout Derek, on 15 May 2023 - 08:34 PM, said:

Hitboxes are better tbh. It'll take some of you to learn longer than others, that's for sure. I give you... well, some of you, a year maybe more to get used to it.

[SafeScanner]

would it be safe to say those at lower tier have an easier time than those in higher teirs? due to games played/exposure playing the faf

Edited by SafeScanner, 27 May 2023 - 08:21 PM.

[Vxheous]

I play maybe once or twice a month nowadays, played a Fafnir the other day...it's much better than before. I didn't get CT cored from every single direction like I used to be.

[PocketYoda]

Vxheous, on 27 May 2023 - 08:53 PM, said:

I play maybe once or twice a month nowadays, played a Fafnir the other day...it's much better than before. I didn't get CT cored from every single direction like I used to be.

Congrats i guess.. echo chamber.

[Curccu]

Vxheous, on 27 May 2023 - 08:53 PM, said:

I play maybe once or twice a month nowadays, played a Fafnir the other day...it's much better than before. I didn't get CT cored from every single direction like I used to be.

Same played some games in FP event with Fafnir and lost armor pretty evenly from all torsos, no complaints from me so far at least. Even though Yoda like it does not.

edit: typos.

Edited by Curccu, 29 May 2023 - 08:46 PM.

[The Brewer]

PocketYoda, on 29 May 2023 - 06:25 AM, said:

Congrats i guess.. echo chamber.

Double world champion, could perhaps ask how he makes it work.