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[LordNothing]

oh great i get to fix my skill trees again. but generally i like that i dont need to commit 25 notes to jump jets now. will need to go through my jj mechs and move the former shock absorbance nodes to other purposes if i dont need less overheat damage. consequently vomit mechs will want to start using the overheat damage nodes.

does this mean we will finally get controllable vectoring, now that the vectoring nodes are no longer a thing?

Edited by LordNothing, 19 May 2023 - 05:53 PM.

[crazytimes]

W A R L O R D, on 19 May 2023 - 05:31 PM, said:

Why am I buying Legendary Mechs, only to have them nerfed the following month...?

And you nerfed the Moonwalker by lowering its acceleration and deceleration...it's literally called the Moonwalker because of its "walking" quirks...

Yeah it's one thing to general release a new mech and tweak it, but to cash only sell new variants specifically for their quirks and then nerf them is a bit spicy.

I'm not arguing there's a bit of power creep going on and balance tweaks aren't warranted... But it's a weird business plan.

[LordNothing]

Scout Derek, on 19 May 2023 - 05:51 PM, said:

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Looks like some of us are potentially going to have to demonstrate again why removing the cover from the gens is a bad idea.

cant help but think that the current pgi staff may not have been around back when fp was in a more active state. if i remember correctly the thing that made them cover the gens was that there were always camping angles which could hit the gens from outside the gates. but since they used words like "some of" and "moved" would indicate that they only took the cages off the gens which are in better locations or moved once that previously had line of site problems.

im more disturbed that they are making changes to fp. the players that do still play it tend to not like pgi mucking around with the mode where the players that dont see it as wasted dev time. the least disruptive course of action seems to be to do nothing.

[LordNothing]

the check engine light, on 19 May 2023 - 05:59 PM, said:

...This excites me.

Also more overheat mitigation is going to be a godsend for some of my lights, potentially. A little less **** kickage.

...override online...

[TheCaptainJZ]

InnerSphereNews, on 19 May 2023 - 03:32 PM, said:

BUG FIXES

CICADA

• Energy hardpoints in side torsos will prioritize the higher mount first (except CDA-X5 that must use lower mounts and CDA-3C which has a special right torso rooftop mount)

PHOENIX HAWK
PXH-2 and PXH-1K:

• Energy weapons prioritize the top mounted energy hardpoint on the Left Arm first (now consistent with right arm)

PXH-7S:

• The second energy weapon on the left arm properly uses the side mounted location. (now consistent with right arm)

PXH-KK:

• The second energy weapon on the left arm now uses a new secondary side mount and no longer stacks on top of the primary energy mount
  
• Left Arm PPC weapons mounts now use the correct corresponding PPC weapon model instead of all using the generic PPC model

MAD CAT MKII
MCII-MOONWALKER:

• Fixed a missing piece of geometry that caused a hole to appear on the mech’s right torso when only a missile weapon is equipped.
  
• Fixed a bug that caused the empty hardpoint air vent model to appear and overlap with the Ballistic weapon model on the right torso

MCII-A:

• Fixed a bug that caused the empty hardpoint air vent model to appear and overlap with the Ballistic weapon model on the right torso

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As long as we're doing bug fixes, please look at the Rifleman Dao Breaker. It's asymmetrical the way the weapons are positioned. If you fill up the energy hardpoints, on one side, it turns a laser into a long stick that doesn't look right at all.

Also, I would love to see the Cicada X-5's weapons reversed so missiles are down and energy is up, like the original model was (it had only 2 tubes on each side that looked almost like headlights). For some reason, when it got dynamic art, they put the missile weapons on top.

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Nice to see the hardpoint # - weapon buffs - armor buffs inflation spiral continue upwards.

Edited by TheCaptainJZ, 19 May 2023 - 06:19 PM.

[An6ryMan69]

Without commenting on everything, because there is so much, I can say without a doubt getting rid of vectoring completely sucks for me.

I find the way MWO does jump jets is seriously crap on all but the most jumpy mechs out there, and I ALWAYS have points on vectoring on any jumper I own, I mean for sure over 100 mechs with vectoring skills. Heat is never really an issue for me as it relates to JJ's; the problem is despairingly anemic jump jet performance all around. Having JJ's run cooler, but with even less actual impacts on my mech's mobility is just a terrible trade-off.

[Rabid Imp]

Urbie nerf.

I mean that's only like the 3rd one it's received...

Now it's HPPC? Who is the brainchild behind that, or is that like a consolation prize?

[Scout Derek]

LordNothing, on 19 May 2023 - 06:02 PM, said:

cant help but think that the current pgi staff may not have been around back when fp was in a more active state. if i remember correctly the thing that made them cover the gens was that there were always camping angles which could hit the gens from outside the gates. but since they used words like "some of" and "moved" would indicate that they only took the cages off the gens which are in better locations or moved once that previously had line of site problems.

im more disturbed that they are making changes to fp. the players that do still play it tend to not like pgi mucking around with the mode where the players that dont see it as wasted dev time. the least disruptive course of action seems to be to do nothing.

As far as I know, The map designer supposedly listened to some units with not so great opinions, and did more on top of what they asked him to do.

[LordNothing]

An6ryMan69, on 19 May 2023 - 06:25 PM, said:

Without commenting on everything, because there is so much, I can say without a doubt getting rid of vectoring completely sucks for me.

I find the way MWO does jump jets is seriously crap on all but the most jumpy mechs out there, and I ALWAYS have points on vectoring on any jumper I own, I mean for sure over 100 mechs with vectoring skills. Heat is never really an issue for me as it relates to JJ's; the problem is despairingly anemic jump jet performance all around. Having JJ's run cooler, but with even less actual impacts on my mech's mobility is just a terrible trade-off.

i hope this is a precursor to manual vector control. this would make it easier to do flat jumps over terrain features and also aid in climbing vertical walls as you can mantle the edge. so no more running at walls and trying to time your jump so you get above the ledge before hitting it.

[BLACKR0SE]

I hope there will be a nice desert map with long-range engagements.

[BLACKR0SE]

I wish they would design a map based on a location from the real world.

[BLACKR0SE]

the check engine light, on 19 May 2023 - 07:15 PM, said:

That's what I'm hoping. Moving forward faster while jumping is so-so. I had Vectoring on my Summoner and it made no appreciable difference when navigating in z directions, while not doing a whole lot for me otherwise. The amount of terrain snagging and grinding actually seemed to get worse in places like Mining, Solaris and Hellebore. Getting stuck on a building ledge in Solaris in my Shadowhawk was frustrating as hell. Some of this is just goofy terrain but I would rather mantle or otherwise vector in x-y directions after a good vertical jump, not lazily arc up and hump a building to death as I try to get on the ledge.



it's called Tourmaline

similar

Edited by TAMTAMBABY, 19 May 2023 - 07:34 PM.

[BLACKR0SE]

[Far Reach]

Did clan ER lasers really deserve another nerf?

[BLACKR0SE]

As long as it gets equally challenging, there's no problem

[PocketYoda]

Wow $21.95 wasted on the Scattershot.. Gotta love those nerfs after we paid for it. Really makes me think twice of buying anymore honestly..

Whats up with the Heavy PPC on an urbanmech? really who thought that was a great idea with a 90meter dead zone on a light.. Useless quirks.

Over abundant light buffs again.. Very few Medium mech buffs a few nice Assault mech buffs, at least Cataphracts might be playable again.

Far Reach, on 19 May 2023 - 07:31 PM, said:

Did clan ER lasers really deserve another nerf?

Yes they did, but really all Er large need a range nerf..

Edited by PocketYoda, 19 May 2023 - 07:42 PM.

[Kynesis]

While I know this isn't the place for suggestions, I wonder what Domination might look like if the circle were set to expand, scaling with the number of mechs in it?
People might for example decide that there's an optimal number of mechs to keep in the circle and make the match a little more dynamic. Maybe something to experiment with in a special event.
Simultaneously, it might make the mode a little more forgiving for people who are less proficient with the game, without really affecting higher tier players.

[PocketYoda]

Kynesis, on 19 May 2023 - 07:38 PM, said:

While I know this isn't the place for suggestions, I wonder what Domination might look like if the circle were set to expand, scaling with the number of mechs in it?
People might for example decide that there's an optimal number of mechs to keep in the circle and make the match a little more dynamic. Maybe something to experiment with in a special event.
Simultaneously, it might make the mode a little more forgiving for people who are less proficient with the game, without really affecting higher tier players.

Or shrink?

[BLACKR0SE]

I complain about the maps being small, and they are considering making them even smaller.

Why are we playing MW? Let's just go play CSGO.

Even CSGO has larger maps than that.

[Wraith 1]

Scattershot needed a bit of reining in, and I'm glad it was done in a way that keeps the character of the mech, and simultaneously gave some nice reasons to play the other SHD variants. I say this as someone who has bought the Scattershot and only the Scattershot as far as legend mechs go; people qq'ing about completely justified nerfs just because they spent a little money need to work on their impulse control or entitlement or something, idk.

Arges looks ridiculous. I'm really getting tired of this much hardpoint creep, it's just a better Sleipnir for almost all gauss or Hgauss builds. I mean, unless you really need that 5% gauss cooldown or 10% laser range . There are other ways to make mechs interesting than blatant power creep.

Removal of the Vectoring nodes is also disappointing. It could've been a really cool playstyle-dependant choice if the values were actually large enough to do anything noticable.

Some of the other quirk changes look nice, I guess.

Edited by Wraith 1, 19 May 2023 - 08:23 PM.