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[Novakaine]

As a Assault god forbid Lurm boat pilot.
If you are just lurking towards the rear alone.
You can expect to get ganked.
Assault nowadays need to be right there in the "middle" of the fight.
Where there more targets than just you.
Don't be the only target it's just that simple.

[Cow And Chicken]

Yeah!
I want the Stone Rhino but when I bought my last pack in this game it was like 40-45$
Now a set of ****** few mechs is the price of an AAA game and some ppl seem like "ok
with the pricetag".

I think not!
If it was 40-45$ for the whole package I would actually consider buying and I am reading
this forum because I was actually going to buy the Rhino pack. But no way. Not for 70$

I believe the players who play this game are old BattleT fans. But I think the devs are going
the way of Tanks and Warships with pricing. Greed as the game Bleeds.

Regards,
Chicken

[DjStickyMouse]

martian, on 28 August 2023 - 06:31 AM, said:

Maybe I have missed it in the thread, but ... What Assault 'Mech did you buy?

The Stone Rhino and the Marauder before that. as far as new chassis go. Both had cripplingly bad problems to start. 100 tons of glitches or bad hitboxes or something that just makes them incapable of taking any kind of punch. My Centurion should not out Tank my 100ton. it just shouldnt.

[martian]

Cow And Chicken, on 28 August 2023 - 11:03 AM, said:

Yeah!
I want the Stone Rhino but when I bought my last pack in this game it was like 40-45$
Now a set of ****** few mechs is the price of an AAA game and some ppl seem like "ok
with the pricetag".

I think not!
If it was 40-45$ for the whole package I would actually consider buying and I am reading
this forum because I was actually going to buy the Rhino pack. But no way. Not for 70$

I believe the players who play this game are old BattleT fans. But I think the devs are going
the way of Tanks and Warships with pricing. Greed as the game Bleeds.

Regards,
Chicken

Voting with you wallet is the best thing that you can do. If you do not like the price, just do not buy the product.

DjStickyMouse, on 28 August 2023 - 11:12 AM, said:

The Stone Rhino and the Marauder before that. as far as new chassis go. Both had cripplingly bad problems to start. 100 tons of glitches or bad hitboxes or something that just makes them incapable of taking any kind of punch. My Centurion should not out Tank my 100ton. it just shouldnt.

I presume that it was the Marauder II (100 tons) and not Marauder (75 tons). Or was it Marauder IIC (85 tons)?

[LordNothing]

Cow And Chicken, on 28 August 2023 - 11:03 AM, said:

Yeah!
I want the Stone Rhino but when I bought my last pack in this game it was like 40-45$
Now a set of ****** few mechs is the price of an AAA game and some ppl seem like "ok
with the pricetag".

I think not!
If it was 40-45$ for the whole package I would actually consider buying and I am reading
this forum because I was actually going to buy the Rhino pack. But no way. Not for 70$

I believe the players who play this game are old BattleT fans. But I think the devs are going
the way of Tanks and Warships with pricing. Greed as the game Bleeds.

Regards,
Chicken

as much as i wanted the mech, $40 is a non starter. where as $15 or less is an impulse buy. i spent way too much on this game already, i need to slow down lest i move into orca status. even with all this expenditure they still want to push exclusives that you can no longer grind for. meanwhile the game has not evolved one iota, pedaling content i would have gotten for free from modders if the game wasnt locked down. im happy to periodically support the game but i draw the line at asking full game prices for tidbits.

[VeeOt Dragon]

as others have already said Assaults are a strange beast. yeah they can dish out a TON of damage but they are also slow and huge targets. this makes them vulnerable to things that other faster mechs can shrug off. also Clan mechs in general tend to be squishier than IS while being able to dish out much more damage. its very easy in a slower Assault to find yourself left in the dust by you team as the nascar to doom leaving you wide open to being picked of by some light moving close to or more than 120kph. Assaults are less forgiving than mediums or heavies (lights are the same way but for the opposite reason as one mistake and they can be shredded). you also run into the problem of even when you are in the front line doing your thing there is always some idiot hugging your back side so when you do make a mistake and need o back up you can't. with assaults you really have to pay more attention to what your team is doing because it can be real easy to get left by yourself if you aren't (a death sentence most of the time)

(bit of a tip don't try and get in a turning fight with a light, if one starts circling try twisting in the opposite direction. more often than not this lets you get a few shots off before they can reverse their turn. it also helps keep them out of your rear arc more)

LordNothing, on 27 August 2023 - 05:28 PM, said:

im sure the firemoth would work if everyone would upgrade to hardware less than a decade old. some of the speeds achieved in eq have been very firemothy, but you need a gpu that can keep up with the lod system.

not everyone can afford a new PC every couple of years. hell my own system is over a decade old (i have upgraded a few things like RAM and Graphics card). sadly the old girl is showing her age and i really should start saving for a new one. thing is that will likely take a couple years on my income (disability here in the US barely pays enough to rent a ****** apartment and feed yourself let alone anything extra). one of the things i like about MWO is that you don't need a top end PC to play it.

Edited by VeeOt Dragon, 28 August 2023 - 09:23 PM.

[Baba Yogi]

epikt, on 27 August 2023 - 08:47 AM, said:

It's not a tier problem, and tbh T2 is nothing to brag about either...

I wasnt bragging. I came back after a long hiatus since 2017, and in 1 month i got from T5 to mid T2, about in 200 matches. So while i agree its a grind bar, i think staying in T4 in any amount of time means you are yet to learn how to play the game. I just cant imagine how it is possible otherwise. Unless you are strictly trying to troll during the games like B33F used to do.

So as i said, only reasonable thing that came to my mind was he doesnt know how to play assaults. Especially if he's used to mediums and lights, significant difference in mobility and size will change the tactics and positioning you have to play by, which he'll have to learn from scratch as a new Assault player. Since i was trying to give something constructive to redirect his rant and change his perspective on the matter, maybe he'll listen this time.

Edited by Baba Yogi, 28 August 2023 - 10:12 PM.

[LordNothing]

VeeOt Dragon, on 28 August 2023 - 09:22 PM, said:

not everyone can afford a new PC every couple of years. hell my own system is over a decade old (i have upgraded a few things like RAM and Graphics card). sadly the old girl is showing her age and i really should start saving for a new one. thing is that will likely take a couple years on my income (disability here in the US barely pays enough to rent a ****** apartment and feed yourself let alone anything extra). one of the things i like about MWO is that you don't need a top end PC to play it.

i built mine with covid stimulus, alaska pfd. and crypto mining, and i live well below the poverty line (nothing as rich as disability pay). but it is possible to build a current gen pc on a budget. just dont do stupid things like expensive fans, water cooling, or led lighting. these things dont really make a dent on performance. most aio coolers are easily outperformed with a tower cooler with at least six heat pipes. you need to do something exotic (read "expensive") to get meaningful gains over air cooled. if it comes with a stock cooler, its probibly adequate for mwo, provided its no more than a gen or two old. reuse old cases, power supplies, coolers, fans, and drives. psu needs to meet power requirements which are on the rise, and you should never skimp on the power supply, but if you previously bought a 1kw supply and never had a problem with it, its probibly fine.

[An6ryMan69]

My early experiences with MWO showed me that assaults as a class were for better players and I found them the most frustrating weight class by far. After some early experimenting I stayed away from them entirely for probably my first 800-1000 hours with this game as I felt they were pretty much absurd in their handling and inability to recover from a positioning mistake.

Now that I have way more hours into this game I do use assaults moderately, but I kind of need to be in the mood for them; I still consider them the least versatile and most situational weight class.

The other thing is many players do feel that if they ante up $50+ real world money for a mech, they will immediately be getting a mech that is at the head of the pack and they can start playing recklessly, and that's just not the case.

Edited by An6ryMan69, 31 August 2023 - 08:55 AM.

[KursedVixen]

DjStickyMouse, on 28 August 2023 - 11:12 AM, said:

The Stone Rhino and the Marauder before that. as far as new chassis go. Both had cripplingly bad problems to start. 100 tons of glitches or bad hitboxes or something that just makes them incapable of taking any kind of punch. My Centurion should not out Tank my 100ton. it just shouldnt.

it's clan.. that's why IS mechs will always out tank Clan mechs because all the armor quirks. espcioally in similar weight.

Edited by KursedVixen, 31 August 2023 - 09:45 AM.

[pbiggz]

KursedVixen, on 31 August 2023 - 09:02 AM, said:

it's clan.. that's why IS mechs will always out tank Clan mechs because all the armor quirks. espcioally in similar weight.

Bro you have to stop fabricating things you are not being victimized.

[KursedVixen]

pbiggz, on 31 August 2023 - 11:56 AM, said:

Bro you have to stop fabricating things you are not being victimized.

Then instead of complaining about my opinion show me proof that I'm wrong the whole "oh your wrong...." thing without any evidence or anything to substatiate it just turns people away.


and if that wasn't the case why was Clan Guass only 6 Health for so long???

Edited by KursedVixen, 31 August 2023 - 01:15 PM.

[Curccu]

KursedVixen, on 31 August 2023 - 12:40 PM, said:

and if that wasn't the case why was Clan Guass only 6 Health for so long???

6 slots.

[KursedVixen]

Curccu, on 31 August 2023 - 01:23 PM, said:

6 slots.

yet the is one is 7 slots but haS 16 health.

Edited by KursedVixen, 31 August 2023 - 03:30 PM.

[pbiggz]

KursedVixen, on 31 August 2023 - 12:40 PM, said:

Then instead of complaining about my opinion show me proof that I'm wrong the whole "oh your wrong...." thing without any evidence or anything to substatiate it just turns people away.


and if that wasn't the case why was Clan Guass only 6 Health for so long???

No no no. See son, you have a forum signature that makes a sensational claim, that tabletop balance will balance MWO. You made the claim, not me. Its your responsibility to back up your own assertions, not your opponents' responsibility, and each time you have attempted to "prove" that the inner sphere is somehow overpowered you've utterly failed to convince anyone, so don't expect me to do your homework for you.

For instance, two of your latest claims have been that X pulse lasers can't get a damage buff without a requisite nerf to rate of fire. Your proof for this is that you personally think they're too good.

Your other claim is that clan double heat sinks are exactly the same as IS double heat sinks, your argument here being that if you ignore the fact that clan double heatsinks are only 2 slots, not 3, then well, they're exactly the same.

So your "proof" has been that you feel like x pulse lasers are strong (which tells me you haven't really used them), and that you're ok with just ignoring what doesn't post-hoc rationalize a position you've already adopted, so you've got a lot of homework to do.

Edited by pbiggz, 31 August 2023 - 04:25 PM.

[foamyesque]

pbiggz, on 31 August 2023 - 11:56 AM, said:

Bro you have to stop fabricating things you are not being victimized.

I mean, non-XL Sphere mechs being sturdier than Clan is a thing; some Sphere machines have very generous armour and structure quirks.

It's just that they generally get those to compensate for the fact that they have very limited hardpoints and all the things they can put in those hardpoints are worse than the Clantech equivalent on raw weight/range/damage criteria. Meantime Clan omnis can stack some pretty busted combinations of hardpoints and Clan Battlemechs can boast truly obscene amounts of free tonnage and space without risk of a ST detonation. Soooooooo....

[Meep Meep]

I'm very good in lights and mediums and decent in the faster heavies but I absolutely hate assaults because they are sooooo freaking slooooow. It's a personal preference thing. If you don't do well in a class or don't enjoy it then don't play it. Focus on the mechs you enjoy and do well in. No one here cares about your stats unless you are trying to get into a gud tryhard unit.

[pbiggz]

foamyesque, on 31 August 2023 - 05:43 PM, said:

I mean, non-XL Sphere mechs being sturdier than Clan is a thing; some Sphere machines have very generous armour and structure quirks.

It's just that they generally get those to compensate for the fact that they have very limited hardpoints and all the things they can put in those hardpoints are worse than the Clantech equivalent on raw weight/range/damage criteria. Meantime Clan omnis can stack some pretty busted combinations of hardpoints and Clan Battlemechs can boast truly obscene amounts of free tonnage and space without risk of a ST detonation. Soooooooo....

Are you suggesting that efforts have been made to balance clan and IS tech?

[foamyesque]

pbiggz, on 31 August 2023 - 07:35 PM, said:

Are you suggesting that efforts have been made to balance clan and IS tech?

Shocking, I know :v

[Meep Meep]

Binary are definitely a step in the right direction to close the gap on clan lasvom. But then I suppose the counterpoint is that lasvom as a meta is already pretty bad so...