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[sebzrules]

I have a question, what is the urban S? It's different from the urbanmech R. Is there a reason for that?

[JOATMON Incorporated]

I am very excited about all these new mech variants that are going to be entering the game.
Any time new variants enter the food chain, it adds new options.

[LordNothing]

C337Skymaster, on 29 September 2023 - 08:52 AM, said:

These will be the first (and so far, only) Adder Omnipods to feature more than a single hardpoint. You're right that you can get any hardpoint you want on any component, but only a single one on each.

cant have everything now.

i always considered the adder a heavy weapons light, sort of in the same boat as the urbie, and having a microboat build really doesnt make any sense. so thats why its hardpoint count has traditionally been ***. so replace the two 3xmg pods with a laser pod, run a couple hlls and an erml in the head, and still have 8 machine guns (lmgs would work better on this build).

Edited by LordNothing, 29 September 2023 - 06:13 PM.

[martian]

Khalcruth, on 29 September 2023 - 01:32 PM, said:

So the Jaegermech gets shot in the arms that have a heavy gauss in them. The heavy gauss explodes. Seems like a really fast way to die by XL engine destruction.

If I count correctly, the JagerMech has 20 structure points in its arm. The HGR explosion destroys the arm, of course, but the side torso can absorb the last few points of explosion - especially, since it is reinforced with additional structure points (+15 points).

Thus, the JagerMech should survive.

Edited by martian, 29 September 2023 - 08:16 PM.

[KursedVixen]

These will all be avalible as normal heros or normal mechs without thier c-bill boost later, right?

Khalcruth, on 29 September 2023 - 01:32 PM, said:

So the Jaegermech gets shot in the arms that have a heavy gauss in them. The heavy gauss explodes. Seems like a really fast way to die by XL engine destruction.

Good thing the clan got a bunch of solid mechs this year and the IS got a whole bunch of meme garbage.

IS case is free now.

[martian]

KursedVixen, on 29 September 2023 - 09:01 PM, said:

These will all be avalible as normal heros or normal mechs without thier c-bill boost later, right?

Probably, yes. After a few months sometime in 2024 or so.

KursedVixen, on 29 September 2023 - 09:01 PM, said:

IS case is free now.

Inner Sphere CASE is free in tonnage, but it still requires one equipment slot in the location that it protects. If you put HGR there, CASE will not fit.

That is difference between IS CASE and Clan CASE: Clan CASE requires 0 tons and 0 slots.

[Curccu]

Navid A1, on 29 September 2023 - 08:19 AM, said:

It will be around 13.9 maximum with an LPL with max duration nodes.

Note that the duration quirk on the Jenner is +20%. A positive number, which increases the burn duration of lasers.

Ahh yes mathed that as negative...

[Solomon Birch]

Since the Clans are getting Inner Sphere 'Mechs, when is the IS getting Victor's Daishi?

[simon1812]

Boiled Peanut Dealer, on 28 September 2023 - 11:48 PM, said:

and how useful will a 50 kph XL jager be in that role? This is a meme mech.

means a pilot have to play smart? XL reminds you that, it's that simple.

[simon1812]

Question: do these mechs come with their own camo pattern? That's been the case before.

[Horseman]

Solomon Birch, on 30 September 2023 - 06:00 AM, said:

Since the Clans are getting Inner Sphere 'Mechs, when is the IS getting Victor's Daishi?

These are clantech versions of IS chassis, that Dire Wolf was still a clantech machine. A more apt question would be where is the Black Hawk KU (based on Nova) or Rakshasa (based on Timber Wolf). Next possible IS copycats would be Avatar (of Mad Dog), Sunder (of Summoner) or Arctic Fox (of Kit Fox)

[martian]

Solomon Birch, on 30 September 2023 - 06:00 AM, said:

Since the Clans are getting Inner Sphere 'Mechs, when is the IS getting Victor's Daishi?

Wolfhound IIC a.k.a. the real "Grinner" was a Clan 'Mech. It started as an IS 'Mech, but it was upgraded with the Clan technology so deeply that it counts as 100% Clan for gameplay purposes.

That Victor's Daishi was a Clantech product right from the start.

[Solomon Birch]

I know all this, I just want an IS Dire dammit!

[Der Geisterbaer]

martian, on 30 September 2023 - 07:57 AM, said:

Wolfhound IIC a.k.a. the real "Grinner" was a Clan 'Mech. It started as an IS 'Mech, but it was upgraded with the Clan technology so deeply that it counts as 100% Clan for gameplay purposes.

The "real" Grinner was re-built from the ground up starting with a clan endosteel skeleton - ultimately all the Clan bells and whistles - because the original was pretty much destroyed. That's something slightly different than being "upgraded". Just because we can change endosteel in MW:O nilly willy doesn't make the Grinner a mere upgrade of the pre-existing Grinner but something more akin to Urban Mech IIC or other IIC variants that may have started out as IS / Star League models but were rebuilt with clan tech from the start.

martian, on 30 September 2023 - 07:57 AM, said:

That Victor's Daishi was a Clantech product right from the start.

This argument would certainly feel more convincing if this new version of Grinner was given to clan players with access to IS tech instead of clan tech. But as it stands the comparison between an IS chassis being available to players as clan tech (as a IIC variant) and thus theoretically being usable in FP as a Clanner is the apple to orange comparison to a clan mech still with clan tech for an IS player in FP.

As far as QP is concerned there's zero issues with introducing all three known special Dire Wolfs into MW:O with their original clan tech that weren't "one-off" versions:

• Victor's Prometheus
  
• Hohiro's Hohiro
  
• Natasha's actual Widowmaker

Edited by Der Geisterbaer, 30 September 2023 - 12:12 PM.

[Wonderdog]

zombitarian, on 29 September 2023 - 06:10 AM, said:

So the Jenner, equipped with a laser has a 99.9% cool down. What happens when you apply cool down skills?

Guessing not much. Guessing a binary mining laser build could be super fun.

[JediPanther]

Making a 35t jenner worse than the spider 5v. Lct-1v with jump jets except the lct-1v has all those extra mg slots. This is why I don't buy mechs with real money any more. Under gunned and punny to non existent builds. Should have made the hard point location in the ct to nerf it further before it became op. At least it wasn't another variant of the F.

[Battlemaster56]

Solomon Birch, on 30 September 2023 - 11:37 AM, said:

I know all this, I just want an IS Dire dammit!

Hauptmann be the closet thing the IS will get to a Dire Wolf

[Hawk819]

Battlemaster56, on 30 September 2023 - 01:37 PM, said:

Hauptmann be the closet thing the IS will get to a Dire Wolf

I would love that, too. However, we can beg, plead, and cry, but they're not going to budge.

Hell, I want the damn Widowmaker Dire Wolf. But AFATC, its the same as the Black Widow Warhammer. So yea. . .

Too us, it's two different `Mechs, but with the same person: Natasha Kerensky. So, yea, no Dire Wolf Widowmaker for me. Cause they released the Black Widow Warhammer.

[martian]

Der Geisterbaer, on 30 September 2023 - 12:10 PM, said:

The "real" Grinner was re-built from the ground up starting with a clan endosteel skeleton - ultimately all the Clan bells and whistles - because the original was pretty much destroyed. That's something slightly different than being "upgraded". Just because we can change endosteel in MW:O nilly willy doesn't make the Grinner a mere upgrade of the pre-existing Grinner but something more akin to Urban Mech IIC or other IIC variants that may have started out as IS / Star League models but were rebuilt with clan tech from the start.

I just quoted the official BattleTech product. If you do not like the quote, it is no my problem.

Der Geisterbaer, on 30 September 2023 - 12:10 PM, said:

This argument would certainly feel more convincing if this new version of Grinner was given to clan players with access to IS tech instead of clan tech. But as it stands the comparison between an IS chassis being available to players as clan tech (as a IIC variant) and thus theoretically being usable in FP as a Clanner is the apple to orange comparison to a clan mech still with clan tech for an IS player in FP.

As far as QP is concerned there's zero issues with introducing all three known special Dire Wolfs into MW:O with their original clan tech that weren't "one-off" versions:

• Victor's Prometheus
  
• Hohiro's Hohiro
  
• Natasha's actual Widowmaker

My statement "That Victor's Daishi was a Clantech product right from the start." is true.

[w0qj]

I would go ga ga on an IS version of Dire Wolf !!
(Please remember to put AMS into the mech!)

Solomon Birch, on 30 September 2023 - 11:37 AM, said:

I know all this, I just want an IS Dire dammit!

Battlemaster56, on 30 September 2023 - 01:37 PM, said:

Hauptmann be the closet thing the IS will get to a Dire Wolf