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[Void Angel]

The6thMessenger, on 22 October 2023 - 10:43 PM, said:

That would buff HLL, what are you thinking?

That is exactly what she is thinking. That is exactly what she is always thinking. Haven't you seen her pop in to troll topics in the new player help forums? Literally the only thing Vix cares about on this subject is buffing the Clans to the "balanced" state depicted in her signature's limerick.

And it's just about always bunk, like a lot of Clanboi/gurl rhetoric. Take the "our lasers are so hot, it's just terrible. argument. Leaving aside the weight and space advantages of the guns themselves, Clan DHS are 50% smaller than their IS counterparts, very often resulting in better cooling. This nearly always offsets higher heat, particularly in larger 'mechs with tonnage to play with. That gets hand-waved away, but try to build an IS laservomit build that equals the Timber Wolf, or compare Marauder IIC and Marauder II laser vomit, and you'll see what I mean. The Marauder IIC fields firepower equivalent to the Marauder II, with slight advantage in range, and disadvantage in maximum DPS (but an advantage in sustained dps.) But the Marauder II took 15 more tons (less armor) and massive quirks to get there. They're both good 'mechs - but this also tells you where Clan weapon balance really is.

Not that the raw numbers are all that matter; 'mech architecture, hardpoint placement, and terrain interactions all matter. This is where a lot of people fail at analysis - too often weapons are compared as if the 'mechs using them were standing on an endless, level plane, at whatever range is convenient. Clan Fans deprecate the drawbacks of IS weapons, while Clan advantages glossed over with conveniently selective memory. Like being "pretty sure" Clan HAGs have a longer range than RAC/5s, for example. It's a Gauss Rifle - no direct-fire weapon in the game has a longer range. And the requirement for RACs to stare at people instead of dealing damage in bursts is non-fracking-trivial. But when people start to engage in motivated reasoning, things can take a fast trip to crazy town.

But people with an IS bias (or no bias, like most of us) can make the same mistake - I'm not an advocate for either tech base, it's just that so many examples from the Clanboi side have presented themselves in this thread...

[The6thMessenger]

Void Angel, on 23 October 2023 - 02:54 PM, said:

That is exactly what she is thinking. That is exactly what she is always thinking. Haven't you seen her pop in to troll topics in the new player help forums? Literally the only thing Vix cares about on this subject is buffing the Clans to the "balanced" state depicted in her signature's limerick.

I thought that was a joke. It's fair to point Newbies to clans tho, they are easy to build particularly the omnis.

I don't like the part where Clans are unwieldy, but Cauldron seems to do a good job making them great again. But still there is that Clan-Vomit, that got aggrevated by HAGs.

Void Angel, on 23 October 2023 - 02:54 PM, said:

But people with an IS bias (or no bias, like most of us) can make the same mistake - I'm not an advocate for either tech base, it's just that so many examples from the Clanboi side have presented themselves in this thread...

I'm not going to say that I have no bias, I avoid to be biased.

Unfortunately people mistake my integrity for stubborness, and be intolerant of it, it's like they just want an echo-chamber where you just agree because a lot of other people tell you so. Nevermind my capacity to change when it's presented like when I thought BLC was redundant but they pointed out that it was LL that was redundant, but that never gets noticed -- they just see and make fun of the contrarian.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 23 October 2023 - 04:07 PM.

[Lajur Kas]

BANSHEE

• Fill order on side torsos with three or more energy hardpoints has been changed to prioritize higher locations after the primary weapon location.
  
• Side torsos with three or more energy hardpoints now allow using high mounted locations for ER PPC, PPC and Heavy PPC (depending on weapon model availability). Currently HPPC, PPC, and ER PPC override other weapons equip order and start from lower primary locations regardless of what has been equipped before.

Cyclops Sleipnir - Torso Weapon Mounts next please!
https://mwomercs.com...-weapon-mounts/

[Void Angel]

The6thMessenger, on 23 October 2023 - 04:00 PM, said:

I thought that was a joke. It's fair to point Newbies to clans tho, they are easy to build particularly the omnis.

I don't like the part where Clans are unwieldy, but Cauldron seems to do a good job making them great again. But still there is that Clan-Vomit, that got aggrevated by HAGs.



I'm not going to say that I have no bias, I avoid to be biased.

Unfortunately people mistake my integrity for stubborness, and be intolerant of it, it's like they just want an echo-chamber where you just agree because a lot of other people tell you so. Nevermind my capacity to change when it's presented like when I thought BLC was redundant but they pointed out that it was LL that was redundant, but that never gets noticed -- they just see and make fun of the contrarian.

Everyone has a worldview, which means biases, in a way - that's why many of the steps in the scientific method exist. But unless you have a particular reason for wanting the Clans, or the Inner Sphere, to be better, you don't have a bias in this context.

[Hauptmann Keg Steiner]

Can we trade in the IS LB 20-X buffs for -1 crit slot like the 2 and 5 got?

[The6thMessenger]

Hauptmann Keg Steiner, on 23 October 2023 - 08:19 PM, said:

Can we trade in the IS LB 20-X buffs for -1 crit slot like the 2 and 5 got?

Been to Cauldron, that was suggested to no end. But they want to keep STDs necessary for LBXs, so not gonna happen.

[Hauptmann Keg Steiner]

The6thMessenger, on 23 October 2023 - 08:49 PM, said:

Been to Cauldron, that was suggested to no end. But they want to keep STDs necessary for LBXs, so not gonna happen.

Why, though? That seems like a silly limitation when you have clan mechs running 3 or 4 LB20s with an XL. _{^{Also someone should tell them about that JagerMech from the loyalty program if that's the case.}}

[SafeScanner]

Glymbol, on 23 October 2023 - 12:28 PM, said:

I know, I can do that and overall the changes are buffs for Locusts but after the patch the 1M won't be used at all I assume.

well the 3s was pretty non existant, MRM-10x2 with S-lasers done right on the 1m can work wonders

Frost_Byte, on 23 October 2023 - 12:33 PM, said:

Y'all are sleeping on a 5 AC5 zombie blight.

Meh no different than getting slapped by anything else

Edited by SafeScanner, 23 October 2023 - 10:33 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

Hauptmann Keg Steiner, on 23 October 2023 - 09:58 PM, said:

Why, though? That seems like a silly limitation when you have clan mechs running 3 or 4 LB20s with an XL. _{^{Also someone should tell them about that JagerMech from the loyalty program if that's the case.}}

IDK man. 2x LB20X seems to work tho, and is insisting it's fine and powerful enough that it warrants STD engine.

Might want to take it up to them directly, but pretty sure you'd get told off as well.

Could suggest a -Slot quirk, if they are willing to code it in. That way you don't buff it for everyone else, but you can make it possible at the arms on the mech-to-mech basis, without the butchery that is the shoulder-only Jagermech.

[Hauptmann Keg Steiner]

The6thMessenger, on 23 October 2023 - 10:30 PM, said:

IDK man. 2x LB20X seems to work tho, and is insisting it's fine and powerful enough that it warrants STD engine.

Might want to take it up to them directly, but pretty sure you'd get told off as well.

Could suggest a -Slot quirk, if they are willing to code it in. That way you don't buff it for everyone else, but you can make it possible at the arms on the mech-to-mech basis, without the butchery that is the shoulder-only Jagermech.

Yeah mostly I wanted arm-mounted 20s for stuff like the King Crabs (which have multiple variants that have them), it wasn't even an engine thing. But I can't really see where dual LB20s is some massive powerhouse that needs a STD to hold them back as opposed to dual regular quirked 20s or Gaussvomit or something.

Oh well.

[P H O T O N]

So when is reducing a quantity from -35% to -50% an increase? If a quantity gets more negative, it is by definition decreasing, not increasing.

I'm not expecting any change but it would be nice if the patch notes could actually make sense!

Ending on a positive statement I appreciate the effort to continually balance the game. Keeps the game fresh. Thanks to all involved in this effort.

[nvx 116]

HEAVY GAUSS IS ALREADY NERFED ENOUGH you littlery need to be in someones face to even do damage theres even a skill tree to make the hold longer. the fact you made it 2 secs for charge up is a lot of face time enough time to lose both torsos from a clanner ... this is not a good thing concidering that i main heavy gauss you littelry have to be the distance of a walmart parking lot to do any decent damage even with the current timing a two second charge hold time makes the wepon useless you baerly have time to even fire off 2 volleys against a team of clanners if you wanna make a nerf do it do the direwolf they need to be hotter due or limited due to what they can cary and how many they can carry i would acually perfer a slightly faster charge time in my openion and a slightly further optimal distance cause everything in that wepons list out dps it and out ranges it even with in heavy guass's optimal distantace. two seconds wont seal the deal at all except the users death please do not put that change in you will screw us all over. so i beg of you do not add time to the charge up it will make heavy gauss more useless than it already is

Edited by nvx 116, 24 October 2023 - 12:44 AM.

[The6thMessenger]

nvx 116, on 24 October 2023 - 12:24 AM, said:

HEAVY GAUSS IS ALREADY NERFED ENOUGH you littlery need to be in someones face to even do damage theres even a skill tree to make the hold longer. the fact you made it 2 secs for charge up is a lot of face time enough time to lose both torsos from a clanner ... this is not a good thing concidering that i main heavy gauss you littelry have to be the distance of a walmart parking lot to do any decent damage even with the current timing a two second charge hold time makes the wepon useless you baerly have time to even fire off 2 volleys against a team of clanners if you wanna make a nerf do it do the direwolf they need to be hotter due or limited due to what they can cary and how many they can carry i would acually perfer a slightly faster charge time in my openion and a slightly further optimal distance cause everything in that wepons list out dps it and out ranges it even with in heavy guass's optimal distantace. two seconds wont seal the deal at all except the users death please do not put that change in you will screw us all over. so i beg of you do not add time to the charge up it will make heavy gauss more useless than it already is

... nerfed?

What TF are you talking about? that's 2s of of HOLDING the charge before it cancels because you didn't take your shot. You still need 0.75s to charge it up, the same as it was before (note that before it was 1.00s on intro).

That is essentially the same effect as the gauss charge-node on the skill tree. Which I don't take because it kinda screws with my timing, but when you call on the command wheel the gauss-charge is cancelled. It's an exploit BTW.

Also, you can pre-charge the gauss before going out from cover, you only need to pop a shot and go back into cover so it isn't as face timey as you think. Which would make such thing a bit more useful because it's easier to pre-charge, because you have a lot more window time that you wouldn't be frantically looking for a target so you don't waste your charge and start again.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 24 October 2023 - 12:48 AM.

[nvx 116]

The6thMessenger, on 24 October 2023 - 12:30 AM, said:

... nerfed?

What TF are you talking about? that's 2s of of HOLDING the charge before it cancels because you didn't take your shot. You still need 0.75s to charge it up, the same as it was before (note that before it was 1.00s on intro).

That is essentially the same effect as the gauss charge-node on the skill tree. Which I don't take because it kinda screws with my timing, but when you call on the command wheel the gauss-charge is cancelled. It's an exploit BTW.

Also, you can pre-charge the gauss before going out from cover and since it's a gauss, you only need to pop a shot and go back into cover so it isn't as face timey as you think. Which would make such thing a bit more useful because it's easier to pre-charge, because you have a lot more window time that you wouldn't be frantically looking for a target so you don't waste your charge and start again.

so you rather not share armor with your team and let them die so you can take a shot?

[The6thMessenger]

nvx 116, on 24 October 2023 - 12:47 AM, said:

so you rather not share armor with your team and let them die so you can take a shot?

Hmm, largely no.

If I wanted to push with the team, I'd do it with a different build that is more brawly, sustainy, or DPS.

Although, you also can pre-charge during shielding or armor-rolling. So still no obligatory face-time.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 24 October 2023 - 12:53 AM.

[nvx 116]

The6thMessenger, on 24 October 2023 - 12:52 AM, said:

Hmm, largely no.

If I wanted to push with the team, I'd do it with a different build that is more brawly, sustainy, or DPS.

you have your play style and i have mine .. that 2 seconds give me a larger margin for error and i rather not team kill because of it because of the idiots that likes to face tank someone a heavy gauss user is fighting
i ususally fight in heavy gausses optimal range and i think the ramp up time needs to be dialed back so we can get the green dot faster for the optimal range that it has even with a mk2 targeting computer and the range nodes the optimal range still sucks with it 300>400 optimal range doesnt cut it when fighting a machine gunner that can core out your torsos in 1 second. from what i have seen the curent timing is for something thats 500>600 optimal range and thats a guess from testing the gauss every day day in day out since fafnier's release.. all im saying users wont even need that extra hold time its a wasted fix

Edited by nvx 116, 24 October 2023 - 02:02 AM.

[The6thMessenger]

nvx 116, on 24 October 2023 - 12:53 AM, said:

you have your play style and i have mine

Then you shouldn't be complaining to what is attributable to human error.

[nvx 116]

The6thMessenger, on 24 October 2023 - 02:06 AM, said:

Then you shouldn't be complaining to what is attributable to human error.

and you shouldnt be complaining to a t3>4 player like i said you have your play style and i have mine
you run meta mechs and i dont we are not the same... a proper fix would be to fix the optimal range not the timeing and no im not talking overall range... just the range displayed in your cockpit. but i dont know why these wepon changes are happening everyone out side of t4 is gonna be fielding builds from smurfys and the other sites out there that give tier lists so its a moot point fixing the weapons when they buffing light mechs to the point they have the armor of a med with the armor quirks and skill nodes and nerf most of the non meta mechs that arnt on those sites .. and be real who is ever gonna use the full hold time of a heavy gauss once they get the timing down? and after you fire you have a full 5 seconds before you can even fire again adding more time to the hold just increses the chance of your torso going bybye due to a gauss rifle explosion

Edited by nvx 116, 24 October 2023 - 03:55 AM.

[Killing Strangers]

Do the 2 new lgd mechs have any unique quirks ? wanna know before i buy

[nvx 116]

Killing Strangers, on 24 October 2023 - 03:07 AM, said:

Do the 2 new lgd mechs have any unique quirks ? wanna know before i buy

no they dont aside from being power crept you should acually save your money and wait till they bring in actual new chasis instead of a redesign but if you wanna do the events that tied to them by all means buy the pack

Edited by nvx 116, 24 October 2023 - 03:19 AM.