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Patch Notes - 1.4.284.0 - 24-October-2023


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#181 Void Angel

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Posted 01 November 2023 - 06:34 PM

View PostKursedVixen, on 31 October 2023 - 04:23 PM, said:

or maybe in your ignorance you refuse to see the truth.

how often have you seen a IS weapon or even equipment get a nerf? and i said weapon so mechs don't count....


Or - not maybe - you're resorting to ad hominem attacks and trying to brush aside dissent. Again. And AGAIN, you're demonstrating your ignorance:

Remember the Snub Nose PPC nerf? Of course not, facts only matter when you base opinions on them.

#182 Void Angel

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Posted 01 November 2023 - 06:39 PM

That's leaving aside the clumsy attempt at demanding unreasonable levels of proof. Inner Sphere weaponry is almost universally inferior to Clan tech when the flexibility of omnipods is considered - in other words, the Clans as introduced in MWO. Since the things that distinguish Clantech from the Inner Sphere tech base are largely the things that make Clantech different, of course Inner Sphere 'mechs have quirks to bring them up to parity. This is the major mechanic used to balance the game on the IS side, and trying to prohibit people from bringing it up to refute your outlandish claims is simple sophistry.

#183 KursedVixen

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 01:42 AM

How about for the next patch we get some help for rarely used mechs like the Nova Black lanner, and some of the not so much used IS mechs to get them back into play?

Sorry i can't think of any Is mechs that I don't see on the field much.

Edited by KursedVixen, 02 November 2023 - 01:42 AM.


#184 pbiggz

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 05:38 AM

View PostVoid Angel, on 01 November 2023 - 06:39 PM, said:

That's leaving aside the clumsy attempt at demanding unreasonable levels of proof. Inner Sphere weaponry is almost universally inferior to Clan tech when the flexibility of omnipods is considered - in other words, the Clans as introduced in MWO. Since the things that distinguish Clantech from the Inner Sphere tech base are largely the things that make Clantech different, of course Inner Sphere 'mechs have quirks to bring them up to parity. This is the major mechanic used to balance the game on the IS side, and trying to prohibit people from bringing it up to refute your outlandish claims is simple sophistry.


"These two things are the same if you ignore all the way's they're different" is his usual strategy.

#185 Steve Pryde

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 12:26 PM

View PostKursedVixen, on 02 November 2023 - 01:42 AM, said:

Sorry i can't think of any Is mechs that I don't see on the field much.

Osiris, Vindicator, Zeus, Dragon, Enforcer, Wolverine, Griffin and many many more to count...

#186 Void Angel

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 12:50 PM

View Postpbiggz, on 02 November 2023 - 05:38 AM, said:


"These two things are the same if you ignore all the way's they're different" is his usual strategy.


Yeah... Although... why do you use male pronouns? The player name is feminine; I don't care much, but I don't want to make a mistake, particularly in this day and age.

Edited by Void Angel, 02 November 2023 - 12:51 PM.


#187 KursedVixen

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 12:57 PM

View PostSteve Pryde, on 02 November 2023 - 12:26 PM, said:

Osiris, Vindicator, Zeus, Dragon, Enforcer, Wolverine, Griffin and many many more to count...
i see Osiris alot and griffen off and on too so those two probably not. I'm not talking teir 1

Edited by KursedVixen, 02 November 2023 - 12:57 PM.


#188 Void Angel

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 12:59 PM

View Postthe check engine light, on 02 November 2023 - 12:52 PM, said:

I doubt that, for that reason, they would be honest or consistent and have not corrected either way to my knowledge anyway.

I'd honor desired pronouns if they stated one way or another, even if I consider them to be pondscum.


"Vixen" is a female fox, so feminine pronouns are indicated. People mismatching that with male pronouns can make it unclear who they're talking about in posts. =)

#189 Void Angel

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 01:00 PM

View PostKursedVixen, on 02 November 2023 - 12:57 PM, said:

i see Osiris alot and griffen off and on too so those two probably not. I'm not talking teir 1


So, "not anyone who knows what they're doing." Because Tier 1 sees Tier 2 and 3 as well.

#190 KursedVixen

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 01:02 PM

We should be balancing on all tiers and not just the high tiers and comp..

#191 Void Angel

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Posted 02 November 2023 - 01:07 PM

We should be leaving the goalposts where we put them, too.

#192 Staude Coston

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 10:36 AM

View PostVoid Angel, on 02 November 2023 - 01:07 PM, said:

We should be leaving the goalposts where we put them, too.


very arrogant answer

#193 Void Angel

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 12:11 PM

I don't think you know what "arrogant" means, but in any case it's not arrogant to object to moving the goalposts.

#194 Staude Coston

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 03:15 PM

View PostVoid Angel, on 03 November 2023 - 12:11 PM, said:

I don't think you know what "arrogant" means, but in any case it's not arrogant to object to moving the goalposts.


Then a recommendation to play on the clan page in FP

Cauldron over buffed the Quirks on the IS side just see what it's like on the clan side

In FP the balance is exactly the same as 4 years ago only the side has changed

#195 Staude Coston

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 03:19 PM

View PostVoid Angel, on 03 November 2023 - 12:11 PM, said:

I don't think you know what "arrogant" means, but in any case it's not arrogant to object to moving the goalposts.


I don't need any special balance in QP because everyone can play any mech, whether IS or clan, just like in comp play

This is exactly what is particularly different in FP and you should also pay attention to this

#196 Void Angel

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 03:42 PM

I don't think you know what "moving the goalposts" means, either. Perhaps avail yourself of a dictionary instead of calling names next time.

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 03:47 PM

View PostVoid Angel, on 03 November 2023 - 03:42 PM, said:

I don't think you know what "moving the goalposts" means, either. Perhaps avail yourself of a dictionary instead of calling names next time.


I prefer to answer in German then you can choose the translation

#198 Void Angel

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 04:58 PM

You're not any less clueless in German, man. You've quoted a post that was responding to Kursedvixen, and babbled at me about Faction Play, but whether or not I agree with you there, you seem to have just... ignored the conversation - and thus are clueless in two languages. Neither she nor I were discussing faction warfare.

"Moving the Goalposts" is a bad faith tactic in argument. It's when someone asks for something as proof, then quickly demands other evidence when that proof is provided. So when Vix says, "I'm not talking about Tier 1," then tries to switch to "We should be balancing on all tiers and not just the high tiers and comp," that is moving the goalposts. It is perfectly acceptable - and not at all "arrogant" - for me to call her on that.

If you're having trouble with language barriers, perhaps ask questions instead of calling names and ranting at people?

Edited by Void Angel, 06 November 2023 - 08:07 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2023 - 09:28 PM

View PostSteve Pryde, on 02 November 2023 - 12:26 PM, said:

Osiris, Vindicator, Zeus, Dragon, Enforcer, Wolverine, Griffin and many many more to count...

View Postthe check engine light, on 02 November 2023 - 09:42 AM, said:

Vindicators, all of them. Cicada-3C, I have been the only one I have seen dropping in it for months. Victors that are not the 9A1 or Dragon Slayer. JR7-D. Orion hero is something I only see when I drop in it. ASN-26, again me and nobody else. Non-hero RFLs, same story. Most of the TDRs are at best rare sights. Black Knight hero.


vindicator 1x has a sleeper build that can be very successful at times involving an MRM40 and using the cooldown reduction quirks

View PostVoid Angel, on 01 November 2023 - 06:34 PM, said:

Or - not maybe - you're resorting to ad hominem attacks and trying to brush aside dissent. Again. And AGAIN, you're demonstrating your ignorance:

Remember the Snub Nose PPC nerf? Of course not, facts only matter when you base opinions on them.


snub meta was cancer and it needed to be nerfed probably 6-8 months before it actually was, just another nail in the coffin for this game

View PostKursedVixen, on 02 November 2023 - 01:42 AM, said:

How about for the next patch we get some help for rarely used mechs like the Nova Black lanner, and some of the not so much used IS mechs to get them back into play?

Sorry i can't think of any Is mechs that I don't see on the field much.


didnt nova just get a quirk pass? there's one i can get to 105% PPC velocity, lol...NVA-A. also the C and D variants have insane cooldown reduction. i think 40% and 50% CDR respectively. [set of 8 at least]

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Posted 03 November 2023 - 09:33 PM

View PostVolume, on 03 November 2023 - 09:28 PM, said:




didnt nova just get a quirk pass? there's one i can get to 105% PPC velocity, lol...NVA-A. also the C and D variants have insane cooldown reduction. i think 40% and 50% CDR respectively. [set of 8 at least]
i still don't see them a lot.





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