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[Tarl Cabot]

Nine-Ball, on 21 November 2023 - 08:16 AM, said:

Considering how fragile everything was back then when using default TT armor values... certain alphas felt like 80+ damage from 800+ range.

Take care not to give the children nightmares And when those values were increased, it was supposed to have been only the Internal Structure points were to be doubled. And that the Armor Points were tied to the Internal structure points, the double of both "error" was not caught til later then left as is. The increase came when the early internal beta, primarily friends/family, complained of mechs dying too quickly, and I think it was still 4v4 matches. Mind you, this is with 3025 weapons, no 3050+ weapons/components.

And PGI is not going to remove weapon systems. They can "adjust" them or the chassis most affected by them. But could you imagine what it would look like if the increased the armor/internals from 2x to 2.5x? Some lights would be even more of a pest.

[Bl00dbeard]

I miss brawling. I miss AC20's, SRMs, and ER Mediums. MRM's to the face. Flamers. Snub Nose.

I won't blame cauldron. Sure they are a huge part of the problem, (who thought HAGs where a good idea? Most OP weapon this game has ever had. LRMs never came close.) but it certainly didn't start with them. It all ties in to the player base. Frankly, most of you are geriatric. Hell I'm probably one of the youngest and I'm 34. Most of you guys don't play anything else if you are still around. You can't you dont have the reflexes, you have RSI's and arthritis. None of you are playing Fortnite. Because you don't have the energy of a 20 year old. So 99% of you old corpses play whatever allows the least amount of turning, and or thought. Lets face it, you guys get drunk after another day at the factory. You log in. You get in your Direwolf, you get Tourmaline. You press W until you are in the pit. Then you all die while I watch from safety in complete bewilderment.

Sure you can blame the maps, but can you? I hear you guys crying about wall snipers, and yet most of you don't have the sac to come fight me in basement on HPG. Its that simple. There are places to brawl, yall just don't care. Its a big part of why the arena mode was dead on arrival. You all only love one thing, and thats advanced zoom 80pt alphas at 800 meters.

On the bright side, I get all kinds of time in lights now. Nothing more enjoyable than killing snipers.

[martian]

Bl00dbeard, on 21 November 2023 - 09:09 AM, said:

Frankly, most of you are geriatric. Hell I'm probably one of the youngest and I'm 34. Most of you guys don't play anything else if you are still around. You can't you dont have the reflexes, you have RSI's and arthritis. None of you are playing Fortnite. Because you don't have the energy of a 20 year old. So 99% of you old corpses play whatever allows the least amount of turning, and or thought. Lets face it, you guys get drunk after another day at the factory. You log in. You get in your Direwolf, you get Tourmaline. You press W until you are in the pit. Then you all die while I watch from safety in complete bewilderment.

Sure you can blame the maps, but can you? I hear you guys crying about wall snipers, and yet most of you don't have the sac to come fight me in basement on HPG. Its that simple. There are places to brawl, yall just don't care. Its a big part of why the arena mode was dead on arrival. You all only love one thing, and thats advanced zoom 80pt alphas at 800 meters.

On the bright side, I get all kinds of time in lights now. Nothing more enjoyable than killing snipers.

You are so magnificent. I bet that you rule Tier 1 with your great piloting and gunnery skills, unsurpassed game knowledge and lightning-fast reflexes.

[CFC Conky]

Weeny Machine, on 21 November 2023 - 07:26 AM, said:

Do you realize that the ones down below, even if they are near the walls, are taking most of the fire? Simply because the wall snipers don't move and as soon as a small laser points their way they scuddle into cover. Then the enemy approaches from the fringes and the dead arc of the snip0rz. And then the one below are royally screwed.

The problem with the wall snipers is that they tend to take a long time to get into a useful firing position, then if you decide to escort a sniping assault mech, that's two mechs out of the fight.

Good hunting,
CFC Conky

[Bl00dbeard]

martian, on 21 November 2023 - 09:25 AM, said:

You are so magnificent. I bet that you rule Tier 1 with your great piloting and gunnery skills, unsurpassed game knowledge and lightning-fast reflexes.

Did I hurt your feelings? I dont mean that in a bad way. Yall are just old. I get it. My gaming days are numbered too. But when the MAJORITY of the playerbase has trouble seeing the text on the screen it does effect the META of a game. When you get older you no longer care about strategizing or winning. You are just happy to drool all over yourself and get drunk and shoot things.

Half of this playerbase calls it the BIG STOMPY ROBOT game. Let that sink in.

The point I'm trying to make, is lets not blame Cauldron for the playerbase. If it wasn't sniping it would be LRMs. Hell it was lrms. Not that I'm better than anybody else. FWIW my K/d is probably .001 because I still try to brawl. XD

[martian]

Bl00dbeard, on 21 November 2023 - 09:53 AM, said:

Did I hurt your feelings? I dont mean that in a bad way. Yall are just old. I get it. My gaming days are numbered too. But when the MAJORITY of the playerbase has trouble seeing the text on the screen it does effect the META of a game. When you get older you no longer care about strategizing or winning. You are just happy to drool all over yourself and get drunk and shoot things.

Half of this playerbase calls it the BIG STOMPY ROBOT game. Let that sink in.

The point I'm trying to make, is lets not blame Cauldron for the playerbase. If it wasn't sniping it would be LRMs. Hell it was lrms. Not that I'm better than anybody else. FWIW my K/d is probably .001 because I still try to brawl. XD

You have no way of knowing the age of any random MWO player, unless known to you personally.

The only thing that you know abou them are their in-game nicks that you see in the game lobby and on the forums. Thus, you can not have accurate statistics regarding the age of the MWO player base.

[Bl00dbeard]

martian, on 21 November 2023 - 10:00 AM, said:

You have no way of knowing the age of any random MWO player, unless known to you personally.

The only thing that you know abou them are their in-game nicks that you see in the game lobby and on the forums. Thus, you can not have accurate statistics regarding the age of the MWO player base.

Are you serious? I can say with 100% certainty that over 70% of the playerbase is 40+. Ive been here with MWO since the beta. I only play with a friend who has dragged me in and out of various units over the years. I routinely listen to other players on the mic. I've been in Discord channels since it was a thing, and on Teamspeak before that. I'm not on the forums much, really only making a post or two before a patch while waiting. I don't have your 6k posts. What I do have is a decade talking to other human beings who play this game over some kind of VOIP. While you was furiously typing, and using 'thus' unironically, (Pro tip, if you wouldn't say it in real life without sounding like steve urkel....) I was yapping and listening. In that decade of dealing with you degenerates, I have NEVER encountered anyone who's voice wasn't deeper than mine, and who didn't have way more life experience. When I was bitching about work the rest of you where bitching about retirement. XD The ONLY female I have EVER encountered in that decade is Violet Blue, and I'm fairly certain thats a sound board so that the rest of the team actually does what he says. (Er.... no offence Blue if you ever hit the forums.)

I'd be happy to start a thread asking everyone's age on here and on steam in the next few days if you don't believe me. I absolutely can know the playerbase. Its like talking to Classic WoW players, the playerbase is a VERY specific type.

Again, my point is, that this isn't cauldron's fault. The playerbase is old and lazy. Even if you removed sniping, they would just lrm, and if you removed that, they would go back to streaks XD

Edited by Bl00dbeard, 21 November 2023 - 11:29 AM.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Weeny Machine, on 21 November 2023 - 07:34 AM, said:

Yeah, because it was possible since early beta to send a volley of 80+ damage across 800+, right?

Gus Guzzler and your strawmen is really saying it all.

They also haven't always had +100 armor to a single section in some cases. There has been a lot of power creep since then sure, but passive teams allowing long range farmers to farm has been a thing for ages in this game. HAGs hasn't changed anything more significantly compared to other forms of power creep (DHS, Clans, the great 2018 dissipation normalization) other than maybe allowing the MAD-IIC-D something with more oomph finally.

I am glad I see less 4 Light Gauss Stealth Fafnirs though, it was never a good sign when you saw one of those on your team because they wouldn't even be able to farm.

Edited by Quicksilver Kalasa, 21 November 2023 - 01:13 PM.

[Vonbach]

Bl00dbeard, on 21 November 2023 - 09:09 AM, said:

I miss brawling. I miss AC20's, SRMs, and ER Mediums. MRM's to the face. Flamers. Snub Nose.

I won't blame cauldron. Sure they are a huge part of the problem, (who thought HAGs where a good idea? Most OP weapon this game has ever had. LRMs never came close.) but it certainly didn't start with them. It all ties in to the player base. Frankly, most of you are geriatric. Hell I'm probably one of the youngest and I'm 34. Most of you guys don't play anything else if you are still around. You can't you dont have the reflexes, you have RSI's and arthritis. None of you are playing Fortnite. Because you don't have the energy of a 20 year old. So 99% of you old corpses play whatever allows the least amount of turning, and or thought. Lets face it, you guys get drunk after another day at the factory. You log in. You get in your Direwolf, you get Tourmaline. You press W until you are in the pit. Then you all die while I watch from safety in complete bewilderment.

Sure you can blame the maps, but can you? I hear you guys crying about wall snipers, and yet most of you don't have the sac to come fight me in basement on HPG. Its that simple. There are places to brawl, yall just don't care. Its a big part of why the arena mode was dead on arrival. You all only love one thing, and thats advanced zoom 80pt alphas at 800 meters.

On the bright side, I get all kinds of time in lights now. Nothing more enjoyable than killing snipers.

Brawling was fun wasn't it?

[KursedVixen]

Vonbach, on 20 November 2023 - 04:07 PM, said:

Thats the big issue with this game. Its not the mechs that are the issue but the maps.
We shouldn't have wall snipers at all. Virtually all of the maps cater to sniping.
Nice high walls on the outside with ramps and a lower interior shooting gallery.
Just compare old HPG to new HPG. Snipers were there but they weren't anywhere
near as bad. You actually had real cover. But the blue flashlight gang howled NASCAR!!
And new HPG shows up. New HPG the whole map is one giant shooting gallery.
A lot of the maps are like this now and its just no fun getting sniped from all the way
across the map by Gauss rifles and lasers.
Yes they will also cost you the game because they refuse to get in the circle or generally
play anything but point and click.

yeah there should not be Fafnirs, nightstars or any slow assaults on the walls either not slow heavies only fast mediums and lights.