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[Novakaine]

Known Issue: LRM/ATM Missiles have a chance to fire in the wrong direction despite having missile lock.
So this new LRM nerf.
Just asking for a friend.

[Willie Sauerland]

Questions are usually
denoted by the
?
symbol.

Could you please formulate
your question
as a
question?

Otherwise,
this post
is going places.

Edited by Willie Sauerland, 22 January 2024 - 12:40 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Willie Sauerland, on 22 January 2024 - 12:39 PM, said:

Could you please formulate
your question
as a
question?

Oh there's no question here. Just saying.

And what's with the attempt at iambic pentameter? Watching some back episodes of Thug Notes?

[Willie Sauerland]

ScrapIron Prime, on 22 January 2024 - 12:43 PM, said:

Oh there's no question here. Just saying.

And what's with the attempt at iambic pentameter? Watching some back episodes of Thug Notes?

I have always written
in this style
on this forum.

The tears I used to get
were both delicious and fun.

*shrug*

Edited by Willie Sauerland, 22 January 2024 - 12:53 PM.

[Bassault]

They ****** up the binary laser HSL, they ****** up models of many different mechs in many different patches, one month the servers were almost completely broken. They've been making mistakes like this for a while now.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Bassault, on 22 January 2024 - 01:09 PM, said:

They ****** up the binary laser HSL, they ****** up models of many different mechs in many different patches, one month the servers were almost completely broken. They've been making mistakes like this for a while now.

Right, but this is "the game engine can no longer figure out how to get the missile from the firer to the target" kind of stuff. That doesn't... concern... anyone?



Speaking as a guy who can write code... I'm guessing the angle change at the 0,0 point has a LOT more to do with each of the other angles in the trajectory and that changing it affects all the other numbers down the line of the whole shebang.

They had to have tested it to put up the "missiles might not work at all now" disclaimer, but this wasn't a deal breaker???

Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 22 January 2024 - 01:19 PM.

[Willie Sauerland]

ScrapIron Prime, on 22 January 2024 - 01:12 PM, said:

Right, but this is "the game engine can no longer figure out how to get the missile from the firer to the target" kind of stuff. That doesn't... concern... anyone?



Speaking as a guy who can write code... I'm guessing the angle change at the 0,0 point has a LOT more to do with each of the other angles in the trajectory and that changing it affects all the other numbers down the line of the whole shebang.

They had to have tested it to put up the "missiles might not work at all now" disclaimer, but this wasn't a deal breaker???

This game is over a decade old.
Legacy code creates its own issues.
My guess is QA had intermittent results.
This might have lead to the disclaimer.

[foamyesque]

Novakaine, on 22 January 2024 - 12:33 PM, said:

Known Issue: LRM/ATM Missiles have a chance to fire in the wrong direction despite having missile lock.
So this new LRM nerf.
Just asking for a friend.

Hey at least now when they fly in the wrong direction they'll do so even more slowly!





Not that a velocity nerf actually means much really because LRMs are already so awful in anything other than a bajillion tubes + a NARCer configuration that AMS is largely non-existent, and anybody who'd be in cover from direct fire weapons would be in cover from LRMs long before the LRMs could possibly arrive anyway.

And if you're NARCed it doesn't really matter how slow the incoming missiles are, since the other guy no longer needs to have anything maintain LOS locks. The flatter trajectory probably helps with that issue but the velocity? That hurts and has hurt only people who actually try to play LRMs non-degenerately.

So, you know, great work, gj, dust your hands off everyone. At least HAGs were made stronger!

Edited by foamyesque, 22 January 2024 - 02:34 PM.

[Navid A1]

ScrapIron Prime, on 22 January 2024 - 01:12 PM, said:

Right, but this is "the game engine can no longer figure out how to get the missile from the firer to the target" kind of stuff. That doesn't... concern... anyone?



Speaking as a guy who can write code... I'm guessing the angle change at the 0,0 point has a LOT more to do with each of the other angles in the trajectory and that changing it affects all the other numbers down the line of the whole shebang.

They had to have tested it to put up the "missiles might not work at all now" disclaimer, but this wasn't a deal breaker???

Something else is going on.

I'm 100% sure everything is going to fine, simply based on the fact that live servers run in a certain set of conditions that makes the chances of that bug happening 0%.

imo that statement is just covering their base... just in case.

Edited by Navid A1, 22 January 2024 - 02:10 PM.

[ScrapIron Prime]

Willie Sauerland, on 22 January 2024 - 01:23 PM, said:

My guess is QA had intermittent results.
This might have lead to the disclaimer.

Sure, but I'm thinking that if the changes to HAGs meant that the weapon didn't fire where you were aiming and instead fired in a completely different direction... they would pull the change and address the issue. But instead its happening to lock on missiles? Nothing to see here, we're fine, move along.

Navid A1, on 22 January 2024 - 02:09 PM, said:

Something else is going on.

I'm 100% sure everything is going to fine, simply based on the fact that live servers run in a certain set of conditions that makes the chances of that bug happening 0%.

imo that statement is just covering their base... just in case.

I hope you're right. Still gonna test the heck out of it though.

[Novakaine]

I wonder what's next.....

[ScrapIron Prime]

No no, they fixed AC/20's already by giving them a velocity increase. So that's... oh... yeah huh.

[Navid A1]

ScrapIron Prime, on 22 January 2024 - 02:13 PM, said:

I hope you're right. Still gonna test the heck out of it though.

I already know what causes it and know how to reproduce it 100%.
That's why I say it can't happen on live servers.

And there is a good chance the QA team was running this on local server that has a small but important difference with live servers.

Edited by Navid A1, 22 January 2024 - 02:20 PM.

[ThreeStooges]

My lrm atlas is even more useful just like the snv-a and that ngt whatever it is other one oh and that new* assult.

* The one they sold on missiles right before the universal nerf. Sucks to be some one who bought the not-long-bow.

[Novakaine]

So what causes it?

[Ihlrath]

Novakaine, on 22 January 2024 - 03:40 PM, said:

So what causes it?

I believe the answer is 'The Cauldron's unending and absolute hatred of anything that has the word 'Missile' in it.' OR 'Ooopps!' Could be either one.

[Grey Hook]

Thank you for the encouraging info Navid; I hope you're right.
Is the bug in question the same one that shows up in the testing grounds- where LRMs sometimes fly backwards?
I've never seen it happen in a game.

[SolCrusher]

So sounds like LRMS are hitting the way back machine and going back to closed beta! Those were some crazy LRM paths back then. Wish I could have recorded matches back then. Anyways.

Here to say, good job! have fun!

[Novakaine]

Well I guess this could be a boon if some pesky light tries to backshot ya.
Of course team mates should look out from now on.

Edited by Novakaine, 22 January 2024 - 07:21 PM.

[Willie Sauerland]

SolCrusher, on 22 January 2024 - 06:31 PM, said:

So sounds like LRMS are hitting the way back machine and going back to closed beta! Those were some crazy LRM paths back then. Wish I could have recorded matches back then. Anyways.

Here to say, good job! have fun!

This game was a riot way back when.
The builds were amazing!
Heatsinks were not a thing.
SRM or SSRM2 catapults were meta.
Even after beta the builds were awesome.
I miss my 6 x PPC stalker...

All the bugs have been seen before.
They will be seen again.
Fun can still be had though...