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[MayhemMatador]

Tiy0s, on 16 September 2024 - 10:57 AM, said:

ECM is the strongest piece of equipment a mech can run in quick play(arguably second to MASC depending on priorities but it's still up there). The Nova Cat is already getting a serious glow up getting 8 extra ballistic in a single variant, we felt that the ECM was just overkill. We did the same thing with the Adder Warthog, which is based off of the ADR-S. That mech also had ECM, but it was too much so we decided to tone it down a notch.

The reason why the Argent, Spectre, and Apache got ECM was to help balance out their downsides. The NCT-P and ADR-W don't have downsides as severe so it doesn't feel needed.

Thanks for getting back on this, but I have to ask: you know that the new Bane-6 has 10 ballistic, 4 energy, AMS, and ECM right?

Edited by MayhemMatador, 26 September 2024 - 03:33 AM.

[Steel Shanks]

Ye know PGI... I just don't care anymore... It's quite freeing actually...

I used to play this game a ton, used to buy stuff, etc. Used to wait and see what this would be about every year... I just don't care anymore lol. I play this with friends here and there, maybe come on for a few rounds on weekends, but, that's it. You've pretty much killed it for Me. I never thought you would. During the other Player Exodus's ye've had, I stayed, and played etc. but idiotic decisions, Legendary's, terrible weapon balancing, Match Maker eternally broken, MW5 being hilariously laughable, and terrible new chassis have finally done it... ( I don't give a FedRats arse about Clans...)

I just don't care... You did it PGI...

[Steel Shanks]

MayhemMatador, on 26 September 2024 - 01:59 AM, said:

Thanks for getting back on this, but I have to ask: you know that the new Bane-6 has 10 ballistic, 4 energy, AMS, and ECM right?

This... Hilarious... Another Assault Mech nightmare... PGI is hilarious...

[Akamia Terizen]

Akamia Terizen, on 16 September 2024 - 10:36 PM, said:

If you're expecting symmetrical arms on MWO's take on the Grand Summoner, well, prepare to be disappointed; based on the teasers I've seen, it looks exactly like a regular Summoner, but with an octagonal missile pod that might only apply to its (S) variants, or quite possibly Grand Summoner omnipods in general. (I'm tentatively assuming it's got cross-compatibility with the regular Summoner's pods, either with or without jump jets. This may not actually be the case.)

It's also not quite true that the Grand Summoner was in MW4. Its official tabletop art uses elements of the MW4 Summoner's aesthetic, true, but the configuration was different. The Grand Summoner typically lacks jump jets, for example; MW4's Summoner had them stock, and in canon, the Summoner's jets were just as fixed to the chassis as they are here in MWO. If the pods are cross-compatible and affect the jump jet count on either version of the Summoner, then that might make things interesting, to say the least.

So, I want to set the record straight on this post I wrote almost two weeks ago, as well as offer further thoughts based on what I've learned since writing it. While the primary point regarding the shape of the arms was correct as of three days ago, there were parts that were incorrect, and for others, I have clarity on things that were ambiguous to me at the time.

For one, the Grand Summoner does actually have jump jets in most configurations, including the Prime; I failed reading comprehension on the Sarna article that day. However, we're not getting most of those configurations. If I understand what Tiy0s showed off in the Cauldron feedback Discord server, the Prime configuration is losing its jets, becoming the Grand Summoner "P" instead. I consider this very unfortunate, and it did reduce my excitement for this booster pack significantly, but this decision was made apparently to keep it from rendering the original Summoner obsolete. Fair enough, I suppose, but this does mean we will be without a true Prime configuration for an OmniMech for the first time since OmniMechs were added to the game at all. I don't like this precedent even slightly, but it seems that's what happens when we have what is apparently an objectively superior successor to an existing chassis and need to adapt it to a game like MWO. Fortunately, there are at least two other configurations coming that a player like myself can appreciate just fine; I just would rather have a real Prime, like we always got before.

Additionally, the Summoner omnipods will not be shared with the Grand Summoner, or vice versa. In this regard, they will be treated as entirely different chassis.

Edited by Akamia Terizen, 28 September 2024 - 11:43 PM.

[Will9761]

When it comes to the Grand Summoner, it makes sense for why it uses the main chassis with tidbits. In lore, the Grand Summoner was mentioned as being an upgrade to the original, the only reason it looks the way it does in the TRO is because the design was being translated from Mechwarrior 4 > the MWDA Mininatures > Technical Readout cannon. Given how the design is being mentioned as being an upgrade, in the world of MWO, the devs wanted to reuse a Summoner model to save up on resources and showcase that fact. Another thing to consider is that PGI may possibly be looking out not to infringe on the copyrights of the CGL Designs, given how CGL doesn't take kindly to use of MWO based miniatures for Tabletop events.

[Akamia Terizen]

Will9761, on 28 September 2024 - 09:41 PM, said:

When it comes to the Grand Summoner, it makes sense for why it uses the main chassis with tidbits. In lore, the Grand Summoner was mentioned as being an upgrade to the original, the only reason it looks the way it does in the TRO is because the design was being translated from Mechwarrior 4 > the MWDA Mininatures > Technical Readout cannon. Given how the design is being mentioned as being an upgrade, in the world of MWO, the devs wanted to reuse a Summoner model to save up on resources and showcase that fact. Another thing to consider is that PGI may possibly be looking out not to infringe on the copyrights of the CGL Designs, given how CGL doesn't take kindly to use of MWO based miniatures for Tabletop events.

For what it's worth, from what I understand, the issue of the arm shape really was a matter of limited time to work on it. Apparently, this was literally "Sunday work" for Tiy0s; he's been very, very busy with MW5Clans development otherwise. If he had more time on it, I believe he probably would have made the arms symmetrical as in the tabletop art. Aside from that, yeah, reusing the Summoner assets makes sense.

Edited by Akamia Terizen, 28 September 2024 - 11:19 PM.

[w0qj]

Now that's what I call passion for work!
(Thank you, Tiy0s!!)

Akamia Terizen, on 28 September 2024 - 11:13 PM, said:

For what it's worth, from what I understand, the issue of the arm shape really was a matter of limited time to work on it. Apparently, this was literally "Sunday work" for Tiy0s; he's been very, very busy with MW5Clans development otherwise. If he had more time on it, I believe he probably would have made the arms symmetrical as in the tabletop art. Aside from that, yeah, reusing the Summoner assets makes sense.

[Xypherious]

For the Prime reward, purchasing a Hero through the in-game store qualifies, yes?

[BlueDevilspawn]

Xypherious, on 06 October 2024 - 11:39 AM, said:

For the Prime reward, purchasing a Hero through the in-game store qualifies, yes?

Loyalty rewards require real cash purchases. Purchasing a hero mech with MC in the in-game store doesn't count. You do get a loyalty reward for purchasing MC with real cash though.

[Xypherious]

BlueDevilspawn, on 06 October 2024 - 01:21 PM, said:

Loyalty rewards require real cash purchases. Purchasing a hero mech with MC in the in-game store doesn't count. You do get a loyalty reward for purchasing MC with real cash though.

I thought that might be the case..

[Rondoe]

This may have already been answered in this thread (there are a lot of posts)

Question: Would purchasing the Bane 'Mech Pack also qualify me for the Clan Package Reward listed in the annual loyalty rewards program?

(I tried to do a search for the answer but it appears the search function is broken right now)

[w0qj]

Yes!
I believe that purchasing any tier of Bane 'Mech Pack (Ultimate, Collector's, etc.) would qualify you for:
a) Bane Reward ==> BANE-3(P)
b ) Clan Package Reward ==> COM-IIC(L)

https://mwomercs.com/profile/content
Do have fun deciding!

- - - - - -
I got my Ultimate Bullshark 'Mech Pack, the one with the Clan Hero, and got these three rewards
a) Bullshark Reward ==> BSK-6(P)
b ) Clan Package Reward ==> COM-IIC(L)
c) IS Package Reward ==> FS9-C(L)

BTW, the BSK-6(P) is very sweet; really looking forward to this one!

Rondoe, on 07 October 2024 - 05:35 PM, said:

This may have already been answered in this thread (there are a lot of posts)

Question: Would purchasing the Bane 'Mech Pack also qualify me for the Clan Package Reward listed in the annual loyalty rewards program?

(I tried to do a search for the answer but it appears the search function is broken right now)

Edited by w0qj, 08 October 2024 - 02:53 AM.

[Rondoe]

w0qj, on 08 October 2024 - 02:50 AM, said:

Yes!
I believe that purchasing any tier of Bane 'Mech Pack (Ultimate, Collector's, etc.) would qualify you for:
a) Bane Reward ==> BANE-3(P)
b ) Clan Package Reward ==> COM-IIC(L)

https://mwomercs.com/profile/content
Do have fun deciding!

- - - - - -
I got my Ultimate Bullshark 'Mech Pack, the one with the Clan Hero, and got these three rewards
a) Bullshark Reward ==> BSK-6(P)
b ) Clan Package Reward ==> COM-IIC(L)
c) IS Package Reward ==> FS9-C(L)

BTW, the BSK-6(P) is very sweet; really looking forward to this one!

TYVM!

[Derek Icelord]

Question on the VND-5L Vindicator. Since MWO doesn't have melee, the Sword can't be used. Will the loyalty variant have a fixed "sword" that's just dead weight, or will the MWO version do something else with the tonnage?

[Akamia Terizen]

Speaking historically, any time a variant that normally carries a melee weapon is introduced to MWO, that melee weapon's tonnage is replaced with something else; either more armor, extra heat sinks or ammo, some combination of the two if tonnage permits, maybe a higher rated engine, etc.

The earliest known case I am aware of in this regard is of course the Yen-Lo-Wang, but this applies most thoroughly to the Hatchetman as a chassis.

Edited by Akamia Terizen, 09 October 2024 - 02:34 PM.

[Pz_DC]

• Choice of Heavy or Assault Previous Loyalty Mech (Includes Mech Bay)

It's coming with stock cammo or special?

Edited by Pz_DC, 11 October 2024 - 04:39 AM.

[w0qj]

I believe that all Loyalty Mechs (denoted with (L) designation) have its unique/special camo, only for that (L) Loyalty Mech!

~You can have a preview of what the Loyalty Mech camo looks like with the thumbnails of the Loyalty Mechs (L) here:
https://mwo.nav-alpha.com/mechs

(I have many Loyalty Mechs, so this is from my own personal experience!)

Pz_DC, on 11 October 2024 - 03:59 AM, said:

• Choice of Heavy or Assault Previous Loyalty Mech (Includes Mech Bay)

It's coming with stock cammo or special?

[Pz_DC]

w0qj, on 11 October 2024 - 06:25 AM, said:

I believe that all Loyalty Mechs (denoted with (L) designation) have its unique/special camo, only for that (L) Loyalty Mech!

So, I'ts like Heroes - if it's (L) it's allways comes with unique cammo, right?..

[MayhemMatador]

MayhemMatador, on 26 September 2024 - 01:59 AM, said:

Thanks for getting back on this, but I have to ask: you know that the new Bane-6 has 10 ballistic, 4 energy, AMS, and ECM right?

Three weeks later and no response to this, Wow!


To catch folks up on what this is about, some of us were asking why the top tier Nova Cat reward Mech is having it's ECM removed and how much we'd like to see it remain. In response PGI posted that because the Nova Cat would have 8 ballistic hard points giving it ECM would be too powerful.

Our follow up was pointing out that the new for purchase Bane not only has ECM, it has 10 ballistic hardpoints (that's right 10) as well as 4 energy and even AMS. Then we waited to see if this could be addressed before its too late to add into the top tier reward mech for people who bought enough packs and mechs the past year supporting PGI with real $$ to qualify for the top tier mech. But since posting we have heard nothing, not even a peep. Seems to me that if you are using the fact that it has 8 ballistic as the limitor but are releasing a mech with 10 or them, not to mention the Dire you can make with ECM, JJs using the UV (which I've bought with real cash) to make an ECM 8 Ballistic hp mech, if that's the rational PGI is offering for not having ECM on the Nova Cat and we point out where its already happening it wouldn't be a bad move for PGI to walk this back and put the ECM back into the Nova Cat that is being released as the TOP TIER reward mech.

Or at least explain why you wont? Or to put it another way:

What are you telling us here PGI? that we can buy that ECM build on an even nastier machine with high hard points and tons to spare if we buy a full new mech-package but we can't get it as a reward for all the other stuff we bought to support the game in just the last year???

Edited by MayhemMatador, 18 October 2024 - 07:00 PM.

[Wing 0]

Since the Grand Summoner Mech Pack was announced and all, Can PGI update us in regards of the rewards program for it?

EDIT: Never mind. I didn't see it on the "Prime Reward" section till after making this post.

Edited by Wing 0, 23 October 2024 - 08:04 PM.