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[Void Angel]

For the eleventy-jillionth time, using good builds is not "abuse."

As for "instant death" - that didn't happen. You died because you're using an XL and lost all the structure on that side torso; likely you're just positioning yourself badly, and aren't aware enough to notice all the incoming damage. Kind of like this thread. If this was a real thing - and not something you made up - everyone would know about it. There is no "engine crit bug" that affects only you, Narcissus.
The reason you do not notice this effect in Clan XLs is because Clan XLs don't kill you with the first side torso destruction. Once again, please learn to play before making up nonsense opinions and embarrassing yourself.

Your entire world is made up of copium, though, isn't it? Lights who outmaneuver you are "OP 'mech abusers," and no Lights could have possibly done a paltry 50 points of damage to your mighty XL Atlas between the two of them - it's got to be a bug! Experienced only by you! If we lived in a mythological world, you'd have been turned into a flower bed by now...

Edited by Void Angel, 30 March 2025 - 09:21 AM.

[martian]

Void Angel, on 29 March 2025 - 04:24 AM, said:

The fact here is, this is an anecdote. It's a story you're telling to justify yourself, and even if we decide that you are trustworthy about what you saw - which is a stretch, considering all the dishonest arguments you put forward - you're still not proving your point here
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Quicksilver Aberration, on 29 March 2025 - 08:22 AM, said:

Like Void said, you're making a lot of faulty assumptions about what even hit you, but also what is and shouldn't be possible.
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a 5 year old with an Uzi, on 29 March 2025 - 11:48 AM, said:

Jenner IIC can splat out ...

1453 R, on 29 March 2025 - 05:50 PM, said:

I once snuck up behind an enemy Black Lanner in a Fire Moth, within two minutes or so ...

GreyNovember, on 29 March 2025 - 11:09 PM, said:

Buy the Piranha and do this
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Void Angel, on 30 March 2025 - 07:21 AM, said:

A couple of Fleas can do it easily.

To provide you with some proper info: MrMadguy has two agendas on this forum:

1. Demand that the matchmaker is "fair", i.e. that MrMadguy can run his LRM assaults, get 1000+ damage AND never face a serious opposition.

After 15 pages of this thread, he has realized that he will not be lucky there.

2. Request that light 'Mechs are either nerfed massively or removed from the game.

Currently, he is switching to his second agenda in his thread. Thus, he is starting with feeding people with stories how light 'Mechs are OP and how they kill his beloved assault-class 'Mechs with one shot.

Thus, he is recycling his 4-years old story about how he was killed by that nasty Mist Lynx in 3 seconds with two shots that took his assault 'Mechs side torso, while piloting 100- ton Fafnir. He event kept the map.

If you want to have some fun, read his original story in this thread here and on the following page or two: Light Mechs Are Screwed Up

MrMadguy, on 29 November 2021 - 10:10 AM, said:

Yeah, it actually happened with me in one of recent matches. I was in almost fresh Fafnir (yellow armor) on Canyon. I was a little bit far from my team. This way I was able to snipe enemies, that leaded to us winning this match. But last man standing on enemy team was some MLX. He attacked my team and started to run away. Strait towards my direction. I decided, that I would finish it. Yeah... If only he wouldn't just two-shot my ST within just 3 seconds and run away.

Nobody believed him then and I do not take his story seriously now.

[Void Angel]

Dude, we know. Just pushing back against disinformation, is all.

[GreyNovember]

MrMadguy, on 30 March 2025 - 08:59 AM, said:

I don't remember exactly. One of Lights was Spider. Other could be Piranha. They were 300 meters away, so I doubt it was SPL one. But thing is - such OP 'Mech abusers usually climb to higher tiers quickly, so I don't meet them way too often, unless they're smurfs.

Then run the Piranha build.

Do exactly the kind of thing you're claiming is "abuse".

Come back here when you've done that, successfully, consistently.

[Der Geisterbaer]

GreyNovember, on 30 March 2025 - 09:48 AM, said:

Then run the Piranha build.

Do exactly the kind of thing you're claiming is "abuse".

Come back here when you've done that, successfully, consistently.

He'll just refer you back to his other story about him playing a trial Arctic Cheetah in August of 2020 "destroying" his opponents in that mech ... which left him with a jucky feeling of being a cheater.

Edited by Der Geisterbaer, 30 March 2025 - 11:18 AM.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

martian, on 30 March 2025 - 09:27 AM, said:

To provide you with some proper info: MrMadguy has two agendas on this forum:

1. Demand that the matchmaker is "fair", i.e. that MrMadguy can run his LRM assaults, get 1000+ damage AND never face a serious opposition.

After 15 pages of this thread, he has realized that he will not be lucky there.

2. Request that light 'Mechs are either nerfed massively or removed from the game.

Currently, he is switching to his second agenda in his thread. Thus, he is starting with feeding people with stories how light 'Mechs are OP and how they kill his beloved assault-class 'Mechs with one shot.

Thus, he is recycling his 4-years old story about how he was killed by that nasty Mist Lynx in 3 seconds with two shots that took his assault 'Mechs side torso, while piloting 100- ton Fafnir. He event kept the map.

If you want to have some fun, read his original story in this thread here and on the following page or two: Light Mechs Are Screwed Up

Nobody believed him then and I do not take his story seriously now.

oh

I mean if anyone is going to get rolled up by a fast backstabber it will be the very large relatively slow mech, with a fragile engine probably giftwrapped in ammo bins to boot, sitting in the back by itself prominently indicating its current location with launched LRMs, blissfully unaware of anything but what it is trying to lock onto...

[1453 R]

Void Angel, on 30 March 2025 - 07:21 AM, said:

A couple of Fleas can do it easily - all you need is 5 MLs each. Depending on ping, he might have under half a second to react, but the awesome firepower he's talking about can be supplied by Medium Lasers.

Now, he's gonna come back and say that he only saw ONE enemy Light peek at him - but that just means he doesn't know where the other one was, and that he was focused on those two 'mechs and might very well have taken fire from outside his field of view.

A valid point, though I feel it mete to point out that if two 'Mechs are coordinating closely enough together to dump a set of iML burns that tightly timed onto the exact same component? The other guy should be having trouble.

Something many, many, many MWO players could stand to remember, when dealing with light 'Mech "swarms" and/or simply mispositioning - you are supposed to have a bad time if you are outnumbered. No, your Atlas doesn't get to be immune to damage just because the entire lance you're facing down consists of 'Mechs only under sixty tons.

A fact I am not even slightly certain MrMadGuy is aware of.

[Void Angel]

Madguy's awareness of facts and his concern for those facts are two very different things.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 30 March 2025 - 08:59 AM, said:

I don't remember exactly. One of Lights was Spider. Other could be Piranha. They were 300 meters away, so I doubt it was SPL one. But thing is - such OP 'Mech abusers usually climb to higher tiers quickly, so I don't meet them way too often, unless they're smurfs.

People playing builds you dont know or care how to play against arent abusers, you're just choosing to let them kill you.

MrMadguy, on 30 March 2025 - 08:59 AM, said:

It's just 1 OP 'Mech among many others. Why can't we just apply negative quirks to such outliers? If we apply positive quirks to underperforming 'Mechs, why can't we apply negative quirks to overperforming ones?

PGI/Cauldron constantly tweaks the quirks to keep overperforming mechs in line. Over all, they've done a lot better in the last few years than PGI did in the entire decade before that, but I know that's not what you're demanding.

What you want, is for whatever killed you to get nerfed. You know you cant ask for that openly, so you're trying to talk your way around it, but we all know its what you want.

MrMadguy, on 30 March 2025 - 08:59 AM, said:

But anyway. I notice ST insta-death way too often. In almost every match. I don't notice them, when I play Clan/IIC ones. That's why I've stopped to play IS 'Mechs.

Again. Insta-death - is when you die instantly after losing ST armor despite of having lots of internal structure. As it happens way more often, than it should be (more often, than my Clan/IIC Mechs' ST is blown off), I suspect some sort of engine crit bug.

Nobody believes you. You've proven again and again that you're more than willing to at best cherry pick facts, and at worst, just lie, to try to make whatever passes for your point. You have no credibility.

MrMadguy, on 30 March 2025 - 08:59 AM, said:

Because, you know, sometimes it happens, that guys having both CT and ST internals red, somehow survive LRM40 salvo. And then you have that Atlas, that dies with barely scratched ones.

Being in an atlas doesnt entitle you to wins. Thinking your opponent should have died doesn't actually make that true.

If you want wins, you have to work for them. You don't want to because you are lazy, and angry. Until you stop being lazy, and stop being angry, you will never get better. You will never win more. You will never have more fun.

You are making this game immeasurably worse for yourself. Do you understand that? Your woes are entirely self inflicted.

[pattonesque]

MrMadguy, on 29 March 2025 - 10:40 AM, said:

I have enough situational awareness to be 100% sure. 1) Second half of enemy team was near corner of map, blocked by rest of my team 2) Second half of enemy team was already dead 3) I had teammate covering my back. Yeah, sometimes teammates are useless. Sometimes you have 2 teammates behind you and still being openly shot by enemy 'Mech, as it was in today's match on HPG. But not always.

How much firepower Light 'Mech should have had? Enough to one-shot barely scratched ST internals. Atlas has 56 internal structure. Please, show me Light, that has enough firepower to one-shot it.

And I need to repeat it. I don't notice such problem with Clan/IIC 'Mechs. No sudden ST one-shots. This problem affects IS 'Mechs only. That's why I suspect some sort of engine crit bug.

you know uh reading all of this I don't think the problem is that you suck at the game (you do but it's not the key issue)

the problem is that you suck at learning. you shift blame for your poor performance onto your teammates, claim expertise you clearly do not have, do not respect your opponents or yourself enough to do anything other than what you have pre-determined is the "correct" way to play, and in general are actively hostile to the very idea of getting better, not to mention the work and humility required to do so.

Until you change that you're just gonna keep dying on the same small bump that you have imagined to be the tallest hill in existence.

Edited by pattonesque, 31 March 2025 - 11:08 AM.

[MrMadguy]

Matchmaker seems to work properly, at least for now. Not sure, why it's so inconsistent. But it's not first time, when I notice, that it takes lots of time for it to catch-up and start to work properly, like if it would completely ignore my actual PSR rating and would still use some hidden Elo rating, that constantly drifts while player doesn't play and requires constant adjustments. Just a few days ago I really felt like I was in Tier 1. Long queues. Teams with completely wrong skill levels. It has taken 2-3 days of constant losses and loss of 20% rating for MM to actually start to work properly.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

MrMadguy, on 31 March 2025 - 11:52 AM, said:

Not sure, why it's so inconsistent.

Because abilities whether it be player skill, winning in the mechlab, etc are all moving targets because no one is 100% consistent. Queues are also heavily dependent on population (both in skills and in general) to piece together. This is why matchmaker in general can feel so inconsistent is that floodgates often open creating disparities. Event queue can also split the population which can make things worse.

[Void Angel]

It "seems to work now." Oh my goodness, I just can't even...

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

cool, so then the thread has reached its conclusion since matchmaker does 1. indeed function 2. its function has been explained and demonstrated to be in effect and 3. any other matters brought up are ultimately ancillary and will likely fall on deaf ears.

do I have the right of it

[Void Angel]

Well, you left out the fact that Madguy will resurrect this thread periodically, hoping we've all somehow gone away and that he can find one single reasonable person to agree with him.

But yeah, that's basically it. Until he makes the next thread, again hoping we'll all miss it and let him lie to people who might not know better.

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 31 March 2025 - 11:52 AM, said:

Pretending everyone who disagrees with you isn't even in the room doesnt actually make you right but it makes you look petty and desperate.

[MrMadguy]

Nope, doesn't work. It was temporary improvement for weekend only, that somehow (due to timezone difference may be) affected Monday too. You can track how MM works via my public Tier info. When I'm in Tier 3 - MM works. When I drop to Tier 4 - doesn't work. I played for whole night yesterday and earned just 7 loot bags, that is joke.

[pbiggz]

Petty and desperate.

[MrMadguy]

pbiggz, on 01 April 2025 - 04:51 PM, said:

Pretending everyone who disagrees with you isn't even in the room doesnt actually make you right but it makes you look petty and desperate.

Why should I talk to them, if their opinion is biased? First of all, they don't accept simple truth, that what is ok for them, isn't ok for other players. Everybody can't be top player, no matter how hard he would try. And second thing - broken MM is unfair advantage for players from other side of skill spectrum. Why do you think they would give it up?

[pbiggz]

MrMadguy, on 01 April 2025 - 10:09 PM, said:

Why should I talk to them, if their opinion is biased? First of all, they don't accept simple truth, that what is ok for them, isn't ok for other players. Everybody can't be top player, no matter how hard he would try. And second thing - broken MM is unfair advantage for players from other side of skill spectrum. Why do you think they would give it up?

You are wrong and you know it.