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[Quicksilver Aberration]

Khosumi, on 05 July 2025 - 09:24 PM, said:

Personally I just think that it makes the game more interesting. If you have the skills to do it, then you should be able to. Lowering the skill floor because people cannot adapt makes for a less enjoyable game in my opinion because it simplifies the game for something that should rarely happen in the first place. It's not like people are popping headshots left right and center all the time.

The irony of this is that most people don't know what skilled play looks like, the LAST thing you should be focusing on when learning how to play this game is headshots. Learn everything else then you can worry about headshots. I played comp off and on in this MWO and MW4, headshots were a factor maybe 5% of the time because other skills were simply way more important/impactful. So please spare me the "lower the skill floor nonsense" considering most of the exact same people spouting this haven't even remotely come close to plateauing in skill (this is probably the biggest irony).

People just simply underestimate the power of consistency, if you can't do something consistently, then it becomes too unreliable a thing to bother with. Most of the times it's someone who is just caught standing still and headshots aren't honestly necessary in their current implementation to punish someone asleep at the wheel, uncontested damage is typically more than enough.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 05 July 2025 - 10:01 PM.

[Khosumi]

I'll make sure to care a single bit about "worrying about learning everything else" as if you're the only one that knows how to play.
But thanks for your input, none of what you said is mutually exclusive with keeping headshots.

As you are pointing out yourself, they are infrequent. Nothing that should be alarming anyone.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Khosumi, on 06 July 2025 - 04:35 AM, said:

I'll make sure to care a single bit about "worrying about learning everything else" as if you're the only one that knows how to play.

I never claimed to "know everything" so let's not put things in people's mouths. However the skill level of people left in this game is abysmally low. I should not be considered a top tier pilot (even when accounting for population size), but here we are. The skill requirement for QP is also lower than average, smash faces and that's about it. There's a reason the "PUG stars" can't just go into comp and do well, but vice versa is typically more true.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 06 July 2025 - 07:46 PM.

[Ghut Callian the 2nd]

I have been headshotted a couple of times, I say if you don’t want to get killed that way then don’t stand still and definitely don’t drive a Griffin.I got headshotted my first match I played with one.
face tanking someone is also a good way to get your head blown off.

if u want to get a headshot idk because I’m not very good yet, but thermal vision will usually show you were the cockpit is. And if you see a grififin, get ‘em!
But yes, headshots are definitely a thing that happens

[Kiljaro]

Been playing since beta1 and took over ten years to get 100 and the title while not really trying. These events have caused some pain. Some of us will coach in game. Despite smerf's trying to shame me for doing so. Now I see players co-dropping to head shot each other. (player1 and Aidon) Don't do this, it ruins the game for the other 22 in the drop. You basically wasted our time. If you exploit or cheat here of all places what must your life be like? Must be Patriot fans I swear...it means nothing if you cheat, steal signals. Champions...bah. Hell why not grind out Guillotine! (you won't appreciate my adjectives describing your playground behavior)

Edited by Kiljaro, 09 July 2025 - 07:08 AM.

[LordNothing]

i figured that would happen. 500mc is too sweet a prize. the last 2 events they had headshot prizes i didnt bag them. but then again the prize was a color i already had (from a previous headshot prize) and a cockpit item i dont care about. 10 pulse lasers in an arms only mech and a maurader with poor heat management skills and i bagged it my first game. others will try and fail. when they fail they will resort to team work sync dropping and trading heads or artificially drop their tier. you will probibly see more of this when the event gets close to completion. i intend to report every instance i see, not that i plan to play again until next event.

would have been timely to do a 1v1 solaris in event queue since it is a lot easier to do headshots in 1v1s. you will eventually get an opponent who forgot their override and you could iterate quickly.

[Ttly]

LordNothing, on 09 July 2025 - 09:05 PM, said:

i figured that would happen. 500mc is too sweet a prize. the last 2 events they had headshot prizes i didnt bag them. but then again the prize was a color i already had (from a previous headshot prize) and a cockpit item i dont care about. 10 pulse lasers in an arms only mech and a maurader with poor heat management skills and i bagged it my first game. others will try and fail. when they fail they will resort to team work sync dropping and trading heads or artificially drop their tier. you will probibly see more of this when the event gets close to completion. i intend to report every instance i see, not that i plan to play again until next event.

would have been timely to do a 1v1 solaris in event queue since it is a lot easier to do headshots in 1v1s. you will eventually get an opponent who forgot their override and you could iterate quickly.

What, you never looked at the trial 3HPPC Thunderbolt or something? Everyone has it and it's probably one of the best headshot vehicle in the game already.
No messing with gauss charges, enough velocity, can 1 shot even full armor quirkless heads, decent range, actual mobility unlike the HGR Fafnir, etc.

In most cases it's really lack of effort over anything else.
Well that, and the IS XLphobia which is a non downside when surviving ala light engine/cXL with an energy build like it has, doesn't mean much with how hot it is.

Edited by Ttly, 10 July 2025 - 12:08 AM.

[LordNothing]

Ttly, on 10 July 2025 - 12:05 AM, said:

What, you never looked at the trial 3HPPC Thunderbolt or something? Everyone has it and it's probably one of the best headshot vehicle in the game already.
No messing with gauss charges, enough velocity, can 1 shot even full armor quirkless heads, decent range, actual mobility unlike the HGR Fafnir, etc.

In most cases it's really lack of effort over anything else.
Well that, and the IS XLphobia which is a non downside when surviving ala light engine/cXL with an energy build like it has, doesn't mean much with how hot it is.

seeing as my current mech stable is 744 mechs strong, i never really use trials. ppfld is a valid headshot strategy. i used the quad ac10 annihilator in solaris a lot and its probibly responsible for a good 2/3 of my hs. arm weapons help a lot though i dont think there is any way to do a 40-point ppfld with in an arms only ballistic build, at least not on the is side. doesnt work on omnis.

i think i have an arms free warhammer with 2hppc, a ppc and lppc for a 45.5 point alpha, enough to melt most faces. something like this.
whm-4l
has a ppc hsl and ecm. can also trade some speed and sinks for stealth armor if you want to set up an ambush.

thing is the first shot is free, the second requires a coolshot, and the third requires a reactor explosion. you can extend that with good tanking of course, so long as you land the headshot before you lose an arm or a torso. there is also a maurader:
mad-3r

its just i had the pulse blackhawk there in my favorites full arms and ready to go. it turned out to be the correct choice. pulse usually gives you many attempts before heat becomes an issue, and especially is small pulse cycles fast enough to land multiple hits while a mech is shut down. being a high mobility platform also helped me position correctly.

headshots are not difficult if you go for them. you might piss off your team if you use a hail mary ppc build where you have a high likelyhood of melting your core in the process. such a build does have the bonus that its good at mid ranges and can trade if you get stuck in a range battle. you can always hold your attempt in reserve for later in the battle against a more damaged opponent.

Edited by LordNothing, 10 July 2025 - 06:45 AM.

[pekez]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 04 July 2025 - 09:03 AM, said:

You know it's funny considering you have zero games on the account your posting with, what game do you play that they are ruining exactly? Or are you one of those people that has to play on alts because the game gets "too hard" when you go up in tiers? Unless not playing the game is actually your playstyle.

Funny haha i rarely play this because headshots are "wasted" but i do play for the events how did i do?
https://imgur.com/a/PAWjwMn

[Quicksilver Aberration]

pekez, on 12 July 2025 - 08:10 PM, said:

Funny haha i rarely play this because headshots are "wasted" but i do play for the events how did i do?
https://imgur.com/a/PAWjwMn

https://leaderboard..../search?u=pekez I'm not impressed though it is funny you cherry picked a point in a season where you had semi-good stats before it got wiped either because you went up in tier or stopped grouping.

[DoucheNugg3t]

got a headshot last and didn't even know it heat of battle in my Howl until I saw that I got one on the event page, good team attacking the enemy with my aggressive T-Wolf somehow I survived GG

[KursedVixen]

if people don't like being headshot so much we could suggest bonus head armor quirks on mechs with exceptionatly big head hit boxes.... or all of them..

[Orion_]

Semi necro thread but is this seriously still an issue? I got tired of getting flamed in matches and people trying to TK me after grinding Guillotine and it was a huge reason for taking a break from the game for so long.

[Ilfi]

So long as HOTAS players, steering wheel players, controller players and normal players are put into the same matches, I reckon this will always be an issue.

[1453 R]

Orion_, on 25 July 2025 - 11:20 PM, said:

Semi necro thread but is this seriously still an issue? I got tired of getting flamed in matches and people trying to TK me after grinding Guillotine and it was a huge reason for taking a break from the game for so long.

Everything I said on the front page still applies. Headcaps are vastly over-punitive in a game where you have ONE life and can only fight once, but are expected to take many dozens of hits before going down. Getting knocked out by a freak happenstance headcap - and no, there is no functional difference between a freak happenstance headcap and a so-called "sKiLsHoT" - is enormously frustrating and feels like you've been cheated out of a game and suffered a skill down through absolutely no fault of your own.

Headshots simply do not belong in MWO. No matter how much some people like the dopamine hit.

[Orion_]

I can't even disagree tbh. If the matchmaking was better (faster) or if we had a drop deck all the time it would be one thing but as it is its just as bad as getting smoked in Tarkov or any other game like that without ever seeing anyone. I get the sentiment, but I also love the hit. Got a Bushwacker in my second match last night, was a nice bump lmao.

Edited by Orion_, 26 July 2025 - 08:33 AM.

[LordNothing]

today in headshot hackusations, i got accused of a head shot i never got. still hovering at 127 which was where i left off as of last hs event. being able to aim is not cheating.

Edited by LordNothing, 26 July 2025 - 10:37 PM.