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[Swamp Ass MkII]

Honestly, this thing sucks. Lacks the speed to maintain some semblance of survivabilty. The AC-20 hard mounted to the Chasis, so nope, no swapping that out. Getting focused, even worse... lol

[epikt]

Honnestly, this thing is AWESOME. Imho the best (ie the most fun) Legendary mech released in a while if not forever.

BUT.

I would not recommend it to everyone and would recommend caution before buying it.
1/ it a slower, less maneuverable Shadow Cat, meaning you can't evade return fire as easily
2/ as much as the fixed IS AC/20 is a great idea and gives flavor to the mech, it also highly restrict the variety of builds
3/ it also forces to be fight close range, which requires some practice and situational awareness
4/ it's an harass mech, it has a reasonable punch but the DPS is abysmal
5/ probably more

[Swamp Ass MkII]

Yeah, those... lol

[Quicksilver Aberration]

epikt, on 22 May 2025 - 01:40 PM, said:

I would not recommend it to everyone and would recommend caution before buying it.
1/ it a slower, less maneuverable Shadow Cat, meaning you can't evade return fire as easily
2/ as much as the fixed IS AC/20 is a great idea and gives flavor to the mech, it also highly restrict the variety of builds
3/ it also forces to be fight close range, which requires some practice and situational awareness
4/ it's an harass mech, it has a reasonable punch but the DPS is abysmal
5/ probably more

Pretty much, I have a feeling many people are trying to use it like an IS Hunchback and you're in for a bad time if you are.

That said the Noble's gimmick is meh, the IS AC20 is honestly overrated for a medium mech. It's got better pinpoint than the Plasma/APG thanks to not having weapons spread across the mech (so convergence is less of an issue), but that's about it, everything else is worse IMO. Maybe if the AC20 had Clan AC20 range it might be better.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 22 May 2025 - 02:16 PM.

[Meep Meep]

Needs more range for sure and/or tie the ac20 ammo bonus to the omni instead of the so8 so you can swap pods and try different fits. I've seen nobles try to get close and apply the punch but get rekt trying. Only very good players are going to do well in this and even they get rekt at times.

[epikt]

Meep Meep, on 22 May 2025 - 02:53 PM, said:

I've seen nobles try to get close and apply the punch but get rekt trying.

Yep, this mech is unable to win any regular 1v1 (too squishy, not enough DPS, etc) so you can't use it like a fast brawler and (for example) duel an isolated assault. You need to be much more careful in your engagements ; actually you should NOT engage, which is not easy when you operate at short range.
I mean, in a pure min/maxing and tactical perspective this mech makes little sense and isn't optimal at all. Jack of nothing, master of none ^^
Yet it's very fun.

About quirks, I agree, a bit of range on the AC would be nice. And maybe some crit resistance, more than once I lost my plasmas after 2 dmg in the back, it's annoying.

[Swamp Ass MkII]

Swapped out the small's for micro's. Heat's much more manageable. Went more in JJ skills that way I can avoid most BS if I can. But, get too far up, and can't hit the broadside of a barn! Just out of rang... lol

[ScrubbinBubbles]

I play a boom goose, Raven with Gauss or AC20 and this is basically that with bonus armour and lasers so I was excited, but it loaded up with no weapon in the Side torso, and quirked for Clan AC20?
When I put the clan AC20 in I get denied from games for illegal loadouts. Very confused.

Edited by ScrubbinBubbles, 22 May 2025 - 05:28 PM.

[BlueDevilspawn]

ScrubbinBubbles, on 22 May 2025 - 05:27 PM, said:

I play a boom goose, Raven with Gauss or AC20 and this is basically that with bonus armour and lasers so I was excited, but it loaded up with no weapon in the Side torso, and quirked for Clan AC20?
When I put the clan AC20 in I get denied from games for illegal loadouts. Very confused.

It's a locked IS AC20 (first mixtech mech). It takes advantage of the single bullet nature but multi pellet count of cAC20 ammo to get intrinsic ammo quirks (on top of the so8 quirk).

[nanashi0110]

I don't think we should make a simple comparison, but I would prefer to use HBK-IIC if I use NOBLE.

My personal wish is that the So8 ammo bonus should be removed and ported to RT. (A small buff to range and CD as a bonus would be nice).
I feel that the new So8 would be even better with the AC20 range extension and CD reduction.

[Ttly]

Just play the SNPPC+Magshot MASC Vulcan instead if you're on the fence on getting it.
Pretty much the same thing gameplay-wise, save for being limited by heat, not as true pinpoint damage, slightly less hitpoints, but can opt for less JJs to move even faster than it/have more JJs to jump better, oh and more range and velocity because quirks.
It can even go 3LPPC+APG with AMS if you want something a lot more stupid.

Edited by Ttly, 23 May 2025 - 08:32 AM.

[Ilfi]

Noble would have been great if it had anything other than an AC20 locked onto it. A Shadow Cat with a smaller engine and less JJs is at face value a good deal, but not with the AC20 attached.

[Quicksilver Aberration]

Ttly, on 23 May 2025 - 08:31 AM, said:

Just play the SNPPC+Magshot MASC Vulcan instead if you're on the fence on getting it.

Way more optimized Snulcan
If you don't like the head armor, drop a JJ and up it and add any remainder to the arms, with this you move way faster which is a huge advantage for the Snulcan.

Same with the LPPC/APG Vulcan, recommending LAMS is definitely.....a choice (AMS > LAMS every day).

Vulcan typically lives longer despite the HP difference thanks to it's thin frame compared to the fat Shadow Cat. That said, they play somewhat different because the Vulcan can definitely duel better than the Noble.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 23 May 2025 - 11:48 AM.

[epikt]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 23 May 2025 - 11:47 AM, said:

recommending LAMS is definitely.....a choice

We can even say it a big fashion faux pas.

But why recommend a Vulcan, even with a slow-*** engine, to compare with the Noble? And not, for example, a Shadow Cat?
The plasma+apg build is a good first approach to the Noble - faster, jumpier; longer range, easier, but almost similar in playstyle.