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[martian]

GreyNovember, on 16 July 2025 - 05:02 PM, said:

Okay, so what's the intention of the Hero that has chest only hardpoints, and less hardpoints?

Obviously it's going to get quirked for something, unless the only gimmick is you go armless?

"Sigma" was the same case.

[GreyNovember]

So we're looking at some form of Splatterhawk or ATM Hawk with laser support for the special variant

Or a triple CERLL / Missile Chest thing for the hero.

21 tons of free space using a stock rated CXL engine, maxed armor, and no jets isn't terrible by a longshot.

It's just a shame that the APG variant, can't, because it has a pitiful amount of em.

[simon1812]

see? this is what i was talking about!!! (if you guys remember my complaining about the gauntlet) this!! more of this PGI!!!

[WARRIOR PSIX]

We need a new mech HellCat 2 !

[Ttly]

BlueDevilspawn, on 16 July 2025 - 03:53 PM, said:

Clan Phoenix Hawk is an apt comparison

PXHs don't have missiles save for the Roc.
Unless you're implying the SHDIIC's missile hardpoints are pretty much considered decorative balance-wise and doesn't deserve any quirks which is hardly surprising.

Edited by Ttly, 17 July 2025 - 04:10 AM.

[martian]

WARRIOR PSIX, on 17 July 2025 - 02:42 AM, said:

We need a new mech HellCat 2 !

I liked that 'Mech in MechWarrior 4: Mercenaries.

But I do not think that it is probable that we would get three different new medium 'Mechs in a row (Gauntlet - Shadow Hawk IIC - Hellhound)

[Battlemaster56]

Rhaelcan, on 16 July 2025 - 07:33 PM, said:

I doubt Griffin IIC would happen. It competes with the arctic wolf, and most variants are the same.

The only way to differentiate the two is the give the Griffin IIC more focused quirks based on it's base load out while limiting their hardpoints, beside like three variants rest is lasers and MG arrays, which I believe to add into the game to be a nice boost to lighter mechs with single or two ballistic hardpoints to match mechs with natural 4+ ballistic hardpoints.

[w0qj]

Thank you MWO for yet another cool new mech chassis!

[Akamia Terizen]

Battlemaster56, on 17 July 2025 - 03:25 AM, said:

The only way to differentiate the two is the give the Griffin IIC more focused quirks based on it's base load out while limiting their hardpoints, beside like three variants rest is lasers and MG arrays, which I believe to add into the game to be a nice boost to lighter mechs with single or two ballistic hardpoints to match mechs with natural 4+ ballistic hardpoints.

I don't foresee MG arrays coming to the game in any capacity; their canon purpose is redundant with how the game's weapon convergence works. In theory, I suppose it would allow ’Mechs hardpoint-starved on ballistics to carry more machine guns (and only machine guns) than would normally be permitted, but... there are actually several canonical MG Array-wielding variants already in the game, and in the translation they simply cut out the middleman and just directly added the requisite hardpoints without bothering with the array. I don't expect the Griffin IIC to change that pattern.

Edited by Akamia Terizen, 17 July 2025 - 05:33 AM.

[FRAGTAST1C]

Looks good. Hopefully it is as nimble and sleek as the Hatchetman at least. You guys are going to post the quirks for it by next month, right? I'm looking forward to finally playing MWO again after several months of being disinterested.

Edit :- Just realised that the mech will be available in September. Still, I'm looking forward to that day.

Edited by FRAGTAST1C, 17 July 2025 - 05:05 AM.

[Hawk819]

Rhaelcan, on 16 July 2025 - 07:33 PM, said:

Variant 3 is like the 2. No need for duplicated

No, the IIc 3 has two energy in each arm, and they are not the same.

Each arm h as a er micro laser and micro pulse laser. The heavy large is in the right torso and medium pulse laser in the center. While IIc 2 has er large lasers in the right and left torso while small pulse and er small lasers are one slot each the CT, head and arns. And I have latest record sheets to prove it.

Mordel.net

Shadow Hawk IIc 2: https://mordel.net/t...0Hawk%20IIC%202

Shadow Hawk IIc 3: https://mordel.net/t...0Hawk%20IIC%203

Edited by Hawk819, 17 July 2025 - 06:21 AM.

[Marukage]

nice



BUT

When is the Phoenix Hawk IIC coming?

Edited by Marukage, 17 July 2025 - 08:36 AM.

[Sigismvnd]

Stoked!

[Rhaelcan]

simon1812, on 16 July 2025 - 11:06 PM, said:

see? this is what i was talking about!!! (if you guys remember my complaining about the gauntlet) this!! more of this PGI!!!

Did you complain about the grand summoner and black hawk? Its the same principle. Quick and easy, basically same chassis..

Hawk819, on 17 July 2025 - 06:06 AM, said:

No, the IIc 3 has two energy in each arm, and they are not the same.

Each arm h as a er micro laser and micro pulse laser. The heavy large is in the right torso and medium pulse laser in the center. While IIc 2 has er large lasers in the right and left torso while small pulse and er small lasers are one slot each the CT, head and arns. And I have latest record sheets to prove it.

Mordel.net

Stock wise, 6 energy each. You can make a makeshift 3 if you want to.

Shadow Hawk IIc 2: https://mordel.net/t...0Hawk%20IIC%202

Shadow Hawk IIc 3: https://mordel.net/t...0Hawk%20IIC%203

Rhaelcan, on 17 July 2025 - 09:08 AM, said:

Did you complain about the grand summoner and black hawk? Its the same principle. Quick and easy, basically same chassis..

Oops. Meant to do it right. Both have 6 energy stock.

[BlueDevilspawn]

Ttly, on 17 July 2025 - 02:48 AM, said:

PXHs don't have missiles save for the Roc.
Unless you're implying the SHDIIC's missile hardpoints are pretty much considered decorative balance-wise and doesn't deserve any quirks which is hardly surprising.

No, I mean in terms of handling and the vision behind it.

GreyNovember, on 16 July 2025 - 05:02 PM, said:

Okay, so what's the intention of the Hero that has chest only hardpoints, and less hardpoints?

Obviously it's going to get quirked for something, unless the only gimmick is you go armless?

IMO 3 Plasma and 3 SRM6 or SRM6a depending on your desired speed. With 2-3 JJ to poptart.

[Ttly]

BlueDevilspawn, on 17 July 2025 - 09:30 AM, said:

IMO 3 Plasma and 3 SRM6 or SRM6a depending on your desired speed. With 2-3 JJ to poptart.

If you're going slow on it, then isn't it just the Vapor Eagle with better agility or Summoner with no hitpoints?

[Battlemaster56]

Will the Shadow hawk iic will get the 7 variant down the line in the future since it feature improved jump jets or it's not worth adding into the game?

[Gruyter]

Looking forward to the Griffin IIC and Wolverine IIC Conjurer that are surely in the pipeline.

[GreyNovember]

BlueDevilspawn, on 17 July 2025 - 09:30 AM, said:

IMO 3 Plasma and 3 SRM6 or SRM6a depending on your desired speed. With 2-3 JJ to poptart.

How well does that end up working out?

Solaris showed that Plasmas and APG were great, but I can't tell if that's because of the APG spam with the Plasma offsetting/complementing it.

CSRMs feel like they'd just be worse at that job unless they're very tightly clustered.

[XI584]

Pre-ordered! Very cool to see!