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[ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER]

This thing is trash no matter how you build it,..enough said.

Edited by ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER, 02 September 2025 - 02:49 PM.

[epikt]

How exactly did you build it?
Because this mech is a very good snac.
Also works ok as a sniper, even if the MAD-4L is better at the job.

[w0qj]

MAD-6S(P) is so good that I have two of these. So please avoid this mech.

I got my two Ace of Spades with this mech. Twice. So please avoid this mech.
https://mwomercs.com...ds/page__st__40

Once, I've JJ vertically to shoot over a ridge on Tourmaline Desert to kill a weakened foe. Just before two other players could close in to kill the foe. From the MCII-B mech's gawking at me, he probably felt that I did a kill steal.
(I don't kill steal).
So please avoid this mech.

My MAD-6S(P) is hurty and fun with AC20 + 2xSNPPC for speed.
My MAD-6S(P) is downright mean with AC20 + 2xSNPPC + LightPPC for power. (+HSL PPC family)
Sometimes with JJ, sometimes with 2xAMS as needed. Yes, that's two AMS
So please avoid this mech.

Need I say more?

Edited by w0qj, 22 August 2025 - 06:30 AM.

[epikt]

w0qj, on 22 August 2025 - 06:27 AM, said:

Need I say more?

Respectfully, you should have said less
The 2 builds you propose are just bad, only 2 snubs makes it a 75 tons Marauder on a 100 tons one, when you have the quirks to mount 3, and I won't talk about the light PPC thing because it hurt my brain just thinking about it.

[ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER]

epikt, on 21 August 2025 - 05:47 PM, said:

How exactly did you build it?
Because this mech is a very good snac.
Also works ok as a sniper, even if the MAD-4L is better at the job.

I built it about every imaginable way before I gave up on it. Built it slow and fast, sniper and brawler and attempted high dps and many other trys. Its big problem is its simply outclassed by way to many mechs of similar weight. The only safe play is hide and poke and run and poke and let your team suffer while you look for targets they have set up for kills. This just isnt my playstyle at all. It just isnt good at anything.

[ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER]

Also the TSP mechs are all meh. I wanted to support comp play but unfortunately I got this garbage pack in which every single one of them is not competitive or even comparably usable against the crowd of meta feeding frenzy top tier players that giggle when they see these mechs on the field. Seems like I just supporting meta by playing mechs that aren't even close to being useful above tier 3.

[Ilfi]

Deadside SNAC seems like your best bet-- it makes good use of all that armor at least-- but yeah this particular variant is incredibly fat for what amounts to either 4 ER PPCs or an AC20 + 3 Snubs. I also reckon fewer people are keen on running quad ER PPC these days, given the whole Railgun situation going on lol.

Always look close before buying a Mech. Stuff that seems good at a glance can end up pretty bad in practice, whether it's due to geometry, weapon locations/allotment, lack of armor and so on.

[Lollerisms]

The TSP urbie is pretty gross both because of its absurd durability and also because nobody shoots it given other targets, so you can hang around friendly assaults, double up on peeks, and rack up the farm at 21 relatively cool DPS. It's a good time. Highly recommended.

Edited by Lollerisms, 02 September 2025 - 03:07 PM.

[Void Angel]

It's a Marauder; the architecture alone will carry you a fair bit. You can go with a fast SNACC Build with an LFE, and that'll be my Bounty Hunter 2 build, but with better offensive quirks and lacking the 16 global structure. The BH2 was specifically not buffed with other Marauders in a recent balance pass because it's one of the best Heavies around. Alternatively, you can Ripley-tape Two LB-10Xs Together for a shotgun build to leverage the spread quirk. You should do fine.

[Shibas]

what's with the 1 back armor meta for mechs now. I've cored out dozens of mechs from behind quickly just assuming they didn't put much there, I didn't realize that the new-ish? or maybe old-ish meta is only putting 1, so much so using the mechdb it puts a warning telling you that you have too much back armor if you put 11 points in the back section.

Edit: eh, nm. I guess with the perks and what not, the IS + perk bonus and the armor + perk bonus (assuming you have them) do well enough, adding like 10-15 to the back or so would absorb another shot or two but not much else. Most of the time you would want the extra 10-15ish in the front, so yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Edited by Shibas, 03 September 2025 - 01:17 PM.

[SnakeEyes00]

It has nothing to do with quirks (although some mechs have the all body armor quirk). It had everything to do with face mechs/shoot mechs therefore more armor should be in front.

[Void Angel]

Shibas, on 03 September 2025 - 12:59 PM, said:

what's with the 1 back armor meta for mechs now. I've cored out dozens of mechs from behind quickly just assuming they didn't put much there, I didn't realize that the new-ish? or maybe old-ish meta is only putting 1, so much so using the mechdb it puts a warning telling you that you have too much back armor if you put 11 points in the back section.

Edit: eh, nm. I guess with the perks and what not, the IS + perk bonus and the armor + perk bonus (assuming you have them) do well enough, adding like 10-15 to the back or so would absorb another shot or two but not much else. Most of the time you would want the extra 10-15ish in the front, so yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Almost no quirks add rear torso armor (only the rare "full body" quirks for structure or armor do that.) Rather, this is an expression of economics - specifically opportunity costs. Opportunity cost (because not everyone reading this will know) is the value of the next best thing you could have done with a resource, like armor points. And since you have to face people to shoot at them, but can use positioning and situational awareness to shield your rear arcs, the opportunity cost of putting more than token armor on your rear torsos is greater than the cost of shifting that armor to the front. Thus, people will put from 1 to a maximum of 5 armor points on their rear torsos, depending on weight class. The only purpose of rear armor is to prevent structure damage due to grazing fire, particularly from lasers, MGs, and small-caliber autocannons.

This has actually always been the practice of the top-performing players - the meta is just finally trickling down to the rest of us.

Edited by Void Angel, 03 September 2025 - 03:46 PM.

[Shibas]

I mean, the purpose of rear armor is to not get shot in the back and killed.

I guess the vernacular I used was poor, I was trying to refer to the skills you can get with using the mech that increase armor/IS. But sure, apparently why it's a bit easier to core people through the back now then last remembered. In the case of shifting/twisting it would just turn to use the back to absorb the same damage anyway.

Void Angel, on 03 September 2025 - 03:43 PM, said:

This has actually always been the practice of the top-performing players - the meta is just finally trickling down to the rest of us.

and no, it wasn't always like that. It did however, gradually become that.

Edited by Shibas, 03 September 2025 - 04:33 PM.

[Void Angel]

People were telling me to do that in 1012, I don't know what to tell you.

[Dogmeat1]

Shibas, on 03 September 2025 - 04:33 PM, said:

and no, it wasn't always like that. It did however, gradually become that.

Running minimal back armour has always been the practice of higher skilled players. Good positioning, reactive movement, and situational awareness will greatly reduce the risk of back shots and thus reducing front armour just means you will die faster.

[Dogmeat1]

ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER, on 02 September 2025 - 02:58 PM, said:

Also the TSP mechs are all meh. I wanted to support comp play but unfortunately I got this garbage pack in which every single one of them is not competitive or even comparably usable against the crowd of meta feeding frenzy top tier players that giggle when they see these mechs on the field. Seems like I just supporting meta by playing mechs that aren't even close to being useful above tier 3.

All the mechs in the TSP are quite solid and frequently do well in higher tier QP & FW matches when used correctly. There is a large difference between a mech being a bad and a mech being built/used badly. Too often people fail to realise when the later situation occurs.

[Ekson Valdez]

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[Void Angel]

Void Angel, on 02 September 2025 - 05:26 PM, said:

It's a Marauder; the architecture alone will carry you a fair bit. You can go with a fast SNACC Build with an LFE, and that'll be my Bounty Hunter 2 build, but with better offensive quirks and lacking the 16 global structure. The BH2 was specifically not buffed with other Marauders in a recent balance pass because it's one of the best Heavies around. Alternatively, you can Ripley-tape Two LB-10Xs Together for a shotgun build to leverage the spread quirk. You should do fine.

Bah, I clicked on someone's 75-ton Marauder link and got confused here. But still - the MAD-6S can Do That Build, Too. The problem here isn't the 'mech.

[KursedVixen]

w0qj, on 22 August 2025 - 06:27 AM, said:

MAD-6S(P) is so good that I have two of these. So please avoid this mech.

I got my two Ace of Spades with this mech. Twice. So please avoid this mech.
https://mwomercs.com...ds/page__st__40

Once, I've JJ vertically to shoot over a ridge on Tourmaline Desert to kill a weakened foe. Just before two other players could close in to kill the foe. From the MCII-B mech's gawking at me, he probably felt that I did a kill steal.
(I don't kill steal).
So please avoid this mech.

My MAD-6S(P) is hurty and fun with AC20 + 2xSNPPC for speed.
My MAD-6S(P) is downright mean with AC20 + 2xSNPPC + LightPPC for power. (+HSL PPC family)
Sometimes with JJ, sometimes with 2xAMS as needed. Yes, that's two AMS
So please avoid this mech.

Need I say more?

Kill stealing shouldn't be a thing nor exist in a game where you play as a team, the whole concept of kill stealing is anti-team in itself... You are a team there is no kill stealing...

Shibas, on 03 September 2025 - 04:33 PM, said:

I mean, the purpose of rear armor is to not get shot in the back and killed.

I guess the vernacular I used was poor, I was trying to refer to the skills you can get with using the mech that increase armor/IS. But sure, apparently why it's a bit easier to core people through the back now then last remembered. In the case of shifting/twisting it would just turn to use the back to absorb the same damage anyway.





and no, it wasn't always like that. It did however, gradually become that.

in the modern world body armor isn't for you to get shot at it's for when you do get shot at, though this may change with vehicle armor and the fact that mech armor is ablative, in that it sacrifices itself to absorb energy.

[Shibas]

Void Angel, on 03 September 2025 - 04:35 PM, said:

People were telling me to do that in 1012, I don't know what to tell you.

Dogmeat1, on 03 September 2025 - 07:44 PM, said:

Running minimal back armour has always been the practice of higher skilled players. Good positioning, reactive movement, and situational awareness will greatly reduce the risk of back shots and thus reducing front armour just means you will die faster.

Sure, low back armor has always been a staple of the game. You keep saying it's only a "skilled player" like that means something. Everyone did it regardless of skill. You can even take a look at old mechlab setups (if they even still exist) people never put just 1 armor in the back. We had debates of that on the forums about how dumb it was dumping 'high' (like over 16ish) armor in the back. But, I think you are confusing low armor with 1 armor. Typically people put like 8-18 (I'm just guessing a range, low but more than the 1-5 you stated), depending on size and what not. nothing much but just enough to take a shot or two before armor was gone. I'm referring specifically evolving into it being set to 1 and that being the staple. It's just funny to see how some of these meta designs have evolved.

Dogmeat1, on 03 September 2025 - 07:44 PM, said:

Running minimal back armour has always been the practice of higher skilled players. Good positioning, reactive movement, and situational awareness will greatly reduce the risk of back shots and thus reducing front armour just means you will die faster.

I mean, that's kinda why I made that comment, that if you are able to move/react and reduce damage to the shot of the back, you can move/react and take damage in the back to reduce front damage. Ultimately it's a matter of can you use what armor you have effectively to minimize the damage done to you.


Edit: To be clear, I'm not saying it's dumb, bad, or terrible, I'm just trying to get insight on how and possibly why some aspects of the game have evolved since I played and curious as to why the evolution took place. Many things are similar, others have changed. Though, that so far, seems to be the 1 thing that sticks out the most for mech design change. So much so that even some of the hero mechs come with only 5ish back armor.

Edited by Shibas, 04 September 2025 - 02:48 PM.