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[Red Beard]

Aegis Kleais™, on 25 January 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

"cheap hardware offset by slightly more expensive games" trend.

I would have to take exception to this. This is one area that consoles have truly evolved in. With Xbox Live arcade, many games are now much cheaper than if they had to be released onto store shelves. But, overall, point taken.

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eye candy plays an important role nonetheless.

True, so true. Does not make me , but true.

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I hated how when a game was developed side by side with a console, it instantly meant that the PC game was to be limited in function, UI, scope and ability due to the fact that the developer did not want to develop FOR that platform, but instead port over to it.

Agree. I know you have a pretty sweet PC gaming rig, and that you play it on a nice sized flatscreen. If I were in the same boat, I would feel the same way. I don't put good cash into a rig like that just to play the same game that the mouth breathers are getting on their consoles.

MaddMaxx, on 25 January 2012 - 10:02 AM, said:

What might the price be for whatever Console that has a $450.00+ video card in it? Woah!

Precisely. Ugh.

[Helmer]

I was wondering if perhaps I missed something, or if a late 2012 was speculation on the OPs part. 2012 seemed a little early to me.

Late 2013 is more likely....

"The next Xbox will ship to retailers in late October or early November of next year with six times the processing power of the Xbox 360, sources close to the project have told IGN."


http://www.ign.com/a...-as-current-gen

Edited by Helmer, 25 January 2012 - 10:52 AM.

[Red Beard]

Gorith, on 25 January 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

My problem with the masses of console users is that they feel they should be able to play every game with their very limited controller and gaming companies want to accomidate them

I would say that it is the other way around. The game companies feel like we should have the simplest controls, and therefore the gamers play the games with whatever they are given. Moot point though.

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so they endup taking games and simplifying the control scheme and the UI while at the same time not taking the time to put those features BACK in the PC version. I think the next gen of consoles should just come with a keyboard and mouse honestly.

I can understand this perspective. The keyboard and mouse thing for consoles has been tried. Not as a pack in, but as a separate accessory. The idea has been universally rejected. Keyboard and mouse combos cannot stack up to the ease of use and the ergonomic functionality of a single controller. That, and the k/m combo is a functionally inferior UI for most video games. FPS might be an exception, but overall, the k/m thing is a turn off to consolers.

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my guess would be the next gen of consoles will run 600-750 USD

I would have to disagree. The market just does not support that kind of initial price tag like it used to. I would guess that the next MS console is released at $399 to $449. Tops. Just a guess though.

[Zerex]

i've read a fair few of these posts on this thread and theres a few good points and a whole Atlas tonage of comments that aren't even close to being right.

i am a hardcore console gamer, i am also a hardcore pc gamer, reading these posts makes me laugh. console gamers are to stupid, they lack skill, their kids.in some cases true, just like some pc gamers are leetists, but not all. the fact that all the posts i'm reading are missing is that the 2 differant machines aren't even in compition with each other. pc's are upgradable machines for work, office and home that can do a really good for games too but they have alot of problems when it comes to updating drivers and software clashes. a console is a machine built (software and hardware) with one reason, to make playing games the most simple task possible. (in other words before people starting saying simple machines for simple people, a console is a streamlined pc for gaming)

when a console is released the first few months to a year in the games are rubbish. they are by most rushed by people who are trying to get the best graphics out of this new machine on not yet fully developed dev kits, with the gameplay being overlooked. console games are at their best at the end of the consoles life, not the start. but more over than this the 2 differant types of machines have game types that play to their favor pc's are are better for RTS's, MMORPG and simulators. consoles are better for racing games,action and adventure games and party/group games. you can't compere the 2 platforms or say one is better than the other, they are in a nutshell "too different". its like compereing world rally cross racing to nascar or formula 1.

i've seen people talking about how they don't want to play against people playing on a PS3 or a Xbox, i can tell you now it will never happen, microsoft have already said they won't allow their xbox sever to coonect up to the pc ones even though they can do it, for the reason xbox owners have their credit card details saved to their hard drive and allow a pc users to connect to the xbox severs would put their costomers bank details at risk. and even more over than that trying to have a sever system that that would have 3 OS systems trying run side by side ( 2 mirosoft and 1 sony OS) in wouldn't work, look what happened to huxley! all you pc gamers having hours of fun pwning console n00bs like you said would, no because it was canned because they couldn't get it to work.

at the end of the day gamers will buy the games they want, if its on a console they will have to buy that console and then that game and if its on a pc they'll have to upgrade and download that game!
i see consoles and pc's being around for along time to come .

[Adridos]

Red Beard, on 25 January 2012 - 09:05 AM, said:

That statement makes little sense.

Why?
He asked for possibility of Win 8 on Xbox 720. I answered no, because it will become a lot more expensive (console + Win8 price) and it would strip the power off consoles.

[ArcSolidus]

All I know is my chosen platform is superior to your chosen platform and if you say differently, then you're just trolling.

To answer the OP, no the new X Box will not be a threat to MWOnline.

[Zerex]

i'm in the UK and for consoles its a 1USD = £1 there is no way the next games consoles will cost £500-£700. manufactoruers lose massive amount of money on console sales because they are too expensive to make, each Xbox 360 might have cost £500-£600 to make and they microsoft sell it to shops for £250-£300 the shop then puts its cut on top and its ends up costing £400, microsoft is still down by £250-£300 per unit for the 1st gen of theat machine but within a year the machnes build costs drop like a rock and microsoft might and i mean might start to see a profit back of each machine before they retire that cosole, microsoft makes its money of consoles by charging a loyalty to game devs for each copy of a game release on their machine and digital downloads of its consoles maketplace. building consoles is a blackhole of money, alot of games company think the PS3 might be the last console sony makes because of the HUGE build costs of the PS3 and the rather slow sales of the machine that even with all the games money coming in they think sony might have trouble recouping the losses on each machine!

[Omigir]

Zerex, I would like to be your first like for your first post. That was thoughtful and insightful! Also, welcome to our community and I hope this was not your first thread here with us, and I hope to see you around the forums more.

Edited by Omigir, 25 January 2012 - 11:20 AM.

[Fence]

Celestial, on 24 January 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

So if my prediction is correct and PC gaming is killed in 2013

I don't think I can even begin to grasp the nature of how EXCRUCIATINGLY LARGE that "if" conditional is... PC gaming has been, and continues to be, on a steady stream of popularity... Go out there (to the innernetz) and look up stats regarding Steam and Origin usage...

PC gaming WILL NOT be killed ANYTIME soon.

[aglarang]

I have one point to make concerning graphics quality of games. I know this is not the be-all end-all of this discussion, but one thought came to mind when discussing whether consoles are superior or inferior to pc gaming. Many have mentioned graphics, and one thing that usually gets overlooked is the quality of the monitor. If you are playing on a top end TV/Console, you are limited to 1920x1080 with a 1080p tv and will be for the foreseeable future. Many computer monitors go well beyond that in their resolution capabilities. Heck, this laptop I'm on now does 1920x1080 and my home pc screen does better than that.
Again, I know resolution is only one part of the whole graphics capabilities question, but it is a decent percentage. It is one reason I will always prefer PC over consoles, though I have had and do have many consoles over the years for what they do well. (PS3 as a game machine, casual web device, media player for my music and videos on my network NAS, blue-ray dvd player is a good value in my opinion.)

[Red Beard]

Mason Grimm, on 25 January 2012 - 09:15 AM, said:

I take 'em as they come in, y'know.

[Adridos]

Red Beard, on 25 January 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

I take 'em as they come in, y'know.

Then use "EDIT" function.

[Omigir]

I have something that will vastly improve the moral of this thread.

No matter which side you are on in this debate, no matter what you think.. There is one common denominator..


MECHWARRIOR

Centurion is here!

Edited by Omigir, 25 January 2012 - 11:59 AM.

[Red Beard]

Fence, on 25 January 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

I don't think I can even begin to grasp the nature of how EXCRUCIATINGLY LARGE that "if" conditional is... PC gaming has been, and continues to be, on a steady stream of popularity... Go out there (to the innernetz) and look up stats regarding Steam and Origin usage...

PC gaming WILL NOT be killed ANYTIME soon.

Neither consoles nor PC's are going anywhere. The only thing that will happen is that the markets for both will evolve and change over the years, as they always have. People will always love to play games, and there will always be companies that fill that need.

aglarang, on 25 January 2012 - 11:43 AM, said:

I have one point to make concerning graphics quality of games. I know this is not the be-all end-all of this discussion, but one thought came to mind when discussing whether consoles are superior or inferior to pc gaming. Many have mentioned graphics, and one thing that usually gets overlooked is the quality of the monitor. If you are playing on a top end TV/Console, you are limited to 1920x1080 with a 1080p tv and will be for the foreseeable future. Many computer monitors go well beyond that in their resolution capabilities. Heck, this laptop I'm on now does 1920x1080 and my home pc screen does better than that.
Again, I know resolution is only one part of the whole graphics capabilities question, but it is a decent percentage. It is one reason I will always prefer PC over consoles, though I have had and do have many consoles over the years for what they do well. (PS3 as a game machine, casual web device, media player for my music and videos on my network NAS, blue-ray dvd player is a good value in my opinion.)

This is a good point. I would make one point though. There are so many more affordable HDTVs out there now that a large population of consolers are now going HD. Nearly all new console games are now made in HD as well. Things are catching up in that realm for consoles.

[TheRulesLawyer]

Paul Inouye, on 24 January 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Is MW:O to be concerned about the XBox 720? Not at all. We're a F2P title on PC which has a larger demographic than any console. Sure our min spec is going to be slightly higher than normal but it's not really a barrier to entry.

Did I mention our game is free? FREE. Zilch. Nada. You can have the same experience playing our game while paying nothing as someone who does want to pay for some silly bits.

I say one thing- I would be shocked if MS and Sony aren't looking at ways to put a f2p model on their next gen consoles. Micro transactions have been a big push and f2p is the ultimate conclusion of the micro transaction model. I'd also expect to see a huge push for digital distribution as its a big win for the publishers. As soon a steam started pushing f2p titles they went from niche to mainstream in my eyes.

[Zerex]

Gorith, on 25 January 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

My problem with the masses of console users is that they feel they should be able to play every game with their very limited controller and gaming companies want to accomidate them so they endup taking games and simplifying the control scheme and the UI while at the same time not taking the time to put those features BACK in the PC version

the problem here is those games you are taking about were desigened developed and produced for the console market and were altered to run on a pc to make a little extra profit. Triple A games these days cost far to much to make for 1 machine so they make them multi format to pay for it.The way a game is designed for multi formats can't be turned on its head to make a small percentage of gamers happy. Consoles need Pc's to keep going just as much as Pc's need consoles to keep going

A reported 1.5 million people queued at midnight globally to get their hands on Modern Warfare 3, with a total of 9.3 million copies sold on the first day. The Xbox 360 version sees around a 54% share, meaning it's the first game on one platform to pass 5 million on its first day. The PlayStation 3 version held 42%, which is around the 4 million mark. Both day ones are only slightly behind Black Ops entire first week sales. The PC version and the Wii version held the remaining 4%, which is around 370,000 units.

games like MW3, Battlefeild 3 and so on, are not going to change the way they are developed for 4% of customers!

heres the link if u wish to read more about it

http://www.comicbook...s/news/?a=49638

Edited by Zerex, 25 January 2012 - 12:12 PM.

[Red Beard]

TheRulesLawyer, on 25 January 2012 - 12:01 PM, said:

I say one thing- I would be shocked if MS and Sony aren't looking at ways to put a f2p model on their next gen consoles. Micro transactions have been a big push and f2p is the ultimate conclusion of the micro transaction model. I'd also expect to see a huge push for digital distribution as its a big win for the publishers. As soon a steam started pushing f2p titles they went from niche to mainstream in my eyes.

Totally agree. MS has been adding to their LIVE service constantly, and there is no reason why they could not make a F2P game work. There are so many new services through xbox live now that adding something like this would be very easy.

[Kodiak Jorgensson]

trycksh0t, on 24 January 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

What do you mean "Nope"? Those are what's CURRENTLY available to PCs, the 720 won't be around until at least the end of this year, more than likely wont arrive until next year, by which point I fully expect another jump in GPUs. Hence my statement that PCs will have better hardware available by the time the 720 releases.

Edit - Wow, thanks multiquote failure...

sorry miss read

[Red Beard]

Paul Inouye, on 24 January 2012 - 07:47 PM, said:

And just to be clear.. I collect game consoles.. I own nearly everything from Pong to the PS3/XB360... although I skipped the Wii for some reason. *FLAME ON!*

Turbo Duo?

[Adridos]

Zerex, on 25 January 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

games like MW3 Battlefeild 3 and so on, are not going to change the way the develop their games for 4% of customers!

Battlefield?! That series was PC only for A LOT of years.