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[Squeak]

i got a question if the game pay is more important then the grapics, why is there so much hate for minecraft.

cuz i here people say over and over how much the companies gave up on game play for grapics where as minecraft went the other way and all i here people say about it it, that game has horrible grapic s?

which is funny cuz it dousnt

[Bansheedragon75]

Pershaw, on 20 August 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

I'm looking forward to Carrier Command: Gaea Mission myself, I've played Carrier Command alot on the Amiga.
Next closest game to Carrier Command would probably have to be
http://www.mobygames...-antaeus-rising released in 2001. Available on Good old Games.

I played and still Have Antaeus Rising.
It has its similarities to carrier command and its actually a pretty good game game.
Still dont get close to the good old Carrier Command, been following the new CC game, even pre-ordered it and have beta access if I want to try.
However I prefer to wait until its released, hope they make a good game of it.
I still take the time to play the original every now and then.

[Bansheedragon75]

nektu, on 20 August 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

System Shock was one of a kind. We should be careful to not compare the crème de la crème of old games to the run-of-the-mill games of today.

I recently downloaded and installed this good old classic.
But I have problems getting it to run properly.

I can start it fine and start a new game, but it freezes or locks up after 2-3 minutes and I'm at a loss as to how to fix it.
Been running in compatibility mode for Win XP, which seems to be the only way to get it running at all.

Dont suppose anyone here knows how to get this thing running properly?

[light487]

Aullido, on 13 August 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

The internet made easy to release patches, quality insurance took a lesser priority.

This is the main reason I think it's gone that way also. PS2 games, even with the internet on other platforms, were still top-notch.. then came along the PS3 with it's emphasis on internet connectivity and we saw the same woeful slide into reliance on internet for patching and then we started to see more and more DLC for all the platforms.. now it's not just bugs getting through but content being delayed or purposefully withheld because of DLC.

Dragonlord, on 20 August 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

I recently downloaded and installed this good old classic.
But I have problems getting it to run properly.

I can start it fine and start a new game, but it freezes or locks up after 2-3 minutes and I'm at a loss as to how to fix it.
Been running in compatibility mode for Win XP, which seems to be the only way to get it running at all.

Dont suppose anyone here knows how to get this thing running properly?

Could be memory allocation problems.. even with WinXP compat, it might simply be allocating memory in some weird (weird to today's computers) that isn't working anymore.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Dragonlord, on 20 August 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

I recently downloaded and installed this good old classic.
But I have problems getting it to run properly.

I can start it fine and start a new game, but it freezes or locks up after 2-3 minutes and I'm at a loss as to how to fix it.
Been running in compatibility mode for Win XP, which seems to be the only way to get it running at all.

Dont suppose anyone here knows how to get this thing running properly?

DosBox? It was a DOS game, I thought, the original System Shock.

[light487]

Squeak, on 20 August 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

i got a question if the game pay is more important then the grapics, why is there so much hate for minecraft.

cuz i here people say over and over how much the companies gave up on game play for grapics where as minecraft went the other way and all i here people say about it it, that game has horrible grapic s?

which is funny cuz it dousnt

I find the "gameplay" of Minecraft to be boring.. if you like the gameplay then the graphics shouldn't matter.. but you have to like the gameplay in the first place I liked Terraria slightly more.. but only when playing co-op.

[Wales Grey]

Dragonlord, on 13 August 2012 - 06:44 AM, said:

This is not about MWO, but computer games in general.

I am an avid gamer, and I buy allot of games in the course of a year.
However over the last several years and the last years specifically I have noticed a decline in the quality of games.

A game I pre-ordered, Legends of Pegasus (4x Space RTS), was released 3 days ago, when the game was released in was riddled with bugs, I'm talking gamebreaking bugs, such as the game crashing randomly, players unable to save/load games, and unable to move ships ingame.
These are just a few examples, and the game feels more like an early beta than a release ready product.

It was the same with Might & Magic Heroes VI (in the Heroes of might & magic), the game was riddled with bugs, many of them gamebreaking and the game felt like an early beta as well.

Then there is Diablo 3 which had allot of hype, but turned out to me a major disappointment.
I know some people swear its a greats game, but I dont agree and it seems many others dont either.
It feels more like a hack'n slash game that are relying on the success of its predecessors, just like many other games seems to do today.

It seems that all games today are just meant to be another money grab for whatever publisher decides to release it, with no regard for repeatability, fun or even quality
Some games even feels like just a copy of another game, as if the developers have no imagination at all.

I still remember back in the days when I bought a game it was actually working as intended, and the gameplay was fun and entertaining.
So what happened to that quality and quality control?
Where are the games that you can install and know they are working as they should and which can hold your attention for hours and days, sometimes even weeks?

These are things that genuinely puzzles me, and I'm hoping someone here can actually provide some useful answers.

I don't mean to be rude, or ignore anyone, but OP's memory is defective. He should get a new one.

[Melcyna]

Squeak, on 20 August 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

i got a question if the game pay is more important then the grapics, why is there so much hate for minecraft.

cuz i here people say over and over how much the companies gave up on game play for grapics where as minecraft went the other way and all i here people say about it it, that game has horrible grapic s?

which is funny cuz it dousnt

Because that's just the nature of public?

There are sizable portion of ppl that will hate on any single random aspect one can think of... somewhere out there, this have ALWAYS been the case with human population since the dawn of time.

The only difference is that internet now gave everyone the ability to make some noise about it so whereas normally you don't hear much about them unless the matter in concern is important (and thus involves press), now anyone can make noise just about ANYTHING.

You are looking at it from the wrong direction,

The REAL TEST is HOW MANY PPL LIKED MINECRAFT...

This have always been the real test of anything... not how many hates it, but how many LIKES it.

nektu, on 20 August 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

Other interesting games are the "Supreme Commander" games. They are RTS games, but try to stear the gameplay away from tactics (aka micromanaging a handful of units) to real strategy (aka managing whole armies with 100s or 1000s of units).

Everybody who likes RTS games should at least try them. A more recent indie game with the same basic idea is "AI War" (its on steam).

Supreme Commander is basically just Total Annihilation with better looking engine... TA based free games or otherwise been around for a long time now because A LOT of ppl liked TA.

The concept itself is effectively unchanged from TA, in fact it's essentially identical down to the T except for unit list.

If the concept appeals, then Planetary Annihilation is essentially the kickstarter project made by the members of the original Total Annihilation developer among others.

http://www.kickstart...-generation-rts



Essentially Total Annihilation with inter planetary battlefield.

Edited by Melcyna, 20 August 2012 - 06:53 PM.

[light487]

Yer.. I certainly don't hate Minecraft.. that's for certain. I played it a bit.. I own a license for the game.. and so on.. I just find that the game is a virtual lego game and I've never been a big lego fan. Even with the Adventure update, it didn't really add a lot more to the game for me.

[Bansheedragon75]

SakuranoSenshi, on 20 August 2012 - 06:24 PM, said:

DosBox? It was a DOS game, I thought, the original System Shock.

Sorry should have specified better.
Its not the Original, its System Shock 2.
This was Win 95 or 98.
There was a patch once that was supposed to get it running under Win XP, but nothing for Win 7.
Been trying to search for solutions, but cant seem to find anything.

[SakuranoSenshi]

Dragonlord, on 20 August 2012 - 06:47 PM, said:

Sorry should have specified better.
Its not the Original, its System Shock 2.
This was Win 95 or 98.
There was a patch once that was supposed to get it running under Win XP, but nothing for Win 7.
Been trying to search for solutions, but cant seem to find anything.

Probably need a VM, then. I find some stuff just will not run under Win7, certainly not the 64 bit version (often the installers are impossible to run, though they can be worked around sometimes but often even then the engine will just crash anyway).

[Bansheedragon75]

SakuranoSenshi, on 20 August 2012 - 06:50 PM, said:

Probably need a VM, then. I find some stuff just will not run under Win7, certainly not the 64 bit version (often the installers are impossible to run, though they can be worked around sometimes but often even then the engine will just crash anyway).

VM?
You have to explain what that is and where to get it.

My problem is not the installation or starting the game.
My problem is that about 2 minutes into the actual game after starting a new game the whole thing freezes.
I get part way through the "tutorial" and then it freezes.

[Melcyna]

Virtual Machine

usually necessary for older applications and certainly necessary for all 16bit applications which simply will not run in Win7 otherwise.

DosBox for example is a virtual machine... emulating dos condition inside the virtual environment.

looking around i found this for System Shock 2

Quote

1) From the Start Menu, enter "cmd" to bring up a command prompt.
2) Navigate to your DVD-ROM drive. (If your DVD-ROM drive is E, simply enter "e:", without the quotation marks)
2) Enter "setup.exe -lgntforce" in a similar manner to force the setup program to run.
3) Install the game accordingly. When asked, do not install DirectX.
4) Go to http://www.strangebe...php?topic=392.0
5) From that web page, download and run SS2Tool.
6) Select "Patching Up, "Bug Fixes", and any other options that you want.
7) Have fun! If you can't use items, just save your key bindings, and the bug will go away.

so it looks like you don't even need VM for SS2, which makes sense i guess... the game was at least designed during windows era.

Edited by Melcyna, 20 August 2012 - 07:01 PM.

[JP Josh]

i pray freespace three wil never be made

[SakuranoSenshi]

As Melcyna says, a virtual machine. For older versions of Windows, such as XP or if you must, Windows 98, you want something like "Virtual PC", you still, however, need a copy of the operating system, so you'll need to get those old discs from somewhere... or download them, of course, then use your old key (since you're not going to break the law and I am not going to suggest you should) during the installation.

[Bansheedragon75]

Melcyna, on 20 August 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Virtual Machine

usually necessary for older applications and certainly necessary for all 16bit applications which simply will not run in Win7 otherwise.

DosBox for example is a virtual machine... emulating dos condition inside the virtual environment.

I would need something that emulates at least Win 98, perhaps even 95.
I had good success with dosbox in the past, just need something for win 95/98
Alternative would be to get my hands on an old system, I just so happen to have an old Win 95 CD lying around, dont think I got 98 though.

Edited by Dragonlord, 20 August 2012 - 07:04 PM.

[SakuranoSenshi]

There are no emulators for those OSes, though arguably WINE under Linux comes close to it and would probably work, actually. If you have the old installation discs you will want that to install it into the virtual machine, or at least the key that goes with it (might want to grab the latest version you can find online but still use your own key, obviously).

[Melcyna]

Just use microsoft's virtual machine software then... allocate space for it, install the Win95/98 on it...

and VOILA you have a working Win 95/98 VM ...

how well your specific components like sound card etc are going to work on it however under such old OS system condition is anyone's guess... and i can't guarantee that all will work.

[SakuranoSenshi]

That said, with a little common sense and patience it's not hard and I have used them often, for various OSes.

[Gingo]

nektu, on 20 August 2012 - 08:54 AM, said:

And books are not the hottest medium either any longer.

They still are the best. Just not the most popular.