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[mekabuser]

as a pilot i say this, if you are a known legger, I will leg you on sight. why? because if everyone just went for legs all the time=lame gameplay.

[William McNab]

It should be a valid tactic to damage/destroy legs in order to reduce opponent mobility. Damage transfer (in accordance with the TTop rules). May or may not be valid. Damage transfer in the TT is because you can't control where you hit. In an active combat game there is no real justification for damage transfer. Once a leg is gone, shooting it repeatedly would not damage the torso or other areas of a mech. Shooting through a destroyed torso into the Center Torso would damage the CT. Destroyed Leg - 50% movement, second destroyed leg. Mech is down, but not out. Crawling mechs may still fire the critical shot to win a game.

Therefore - legging legit. Game mechanics questionable. Not sure how it works in the beta --- I wish I knew. ;-)

[Roland]

mekabuser, on 13 June 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

as a pilot i say this, if you are a known legger, I will leg you on sight. why? because if everyone just went for legs all the time=lame gameplay.

I'm going to leg you on sight.

[Elan Heng]

Sheesh, ******** about legging before the game has even started for most of us. Move on.

Although I expect to be rusty after a few years out of the cockpit, If I am good enough to hit a small moving target repeatedly, live with it. if you're not moving, your bad. If your arm or torso is flashing, expect me to shoot you there. I don't shoot you to be nice, I shoot you to kill your mech as quickly as possible and any tactic is legitimate.

As far as "your a legger, so I will leg you" ... do your best. if it works, excellent - more power to you.

[Teralitha]

In MW4, and in starsiege, I generally went for the center torso. However, a few chassis/hercs I would aim for the cockpit(or leg with a coordinated team effort) or toes(starsiege executioner) simply because it was the quickest way to immobilize and/or kill them. Many times in Mw4, I would encounter a noob drivign an assault, and I would wonder... did he strip his legs to add more weapons? And I would take a ahot at his legs just to see, and laughed when his leg went flashing red after only minor damage.... I would even occasionally find this true in league matches, where whole teams did this, believing that no one would bother shooting the legs... oops. We were smarter then that. In stock drops, the stock variants very often had reduced leg armor, especially the clans, and it was often very easy to kill them in the legs. Other times, it was just that the legs got hit from a poorly placed alpha, and since the leg was already damaged, you wouldnt want to waste it so.... legging it was. If your target was a fast run away snipe you kind, hell yes leg the *******... take away his advantage.

There is no such thing as honor in a game of war, and if legging is the quickest and easiest way to destroy a mech, then the leg is what will be targeted.

[Chiyeko Kuramochi]

I leg if I can it is often a good way to take down heavier mechs than blasting at the thick armour int he torso, beside the quicker you kill your target the better job you did imho.

Also for those who say it should be fromend upon I like to put down quote from star trek ds9:

Bashir: But even in war there are rules!
Garak: No doctor, the Federation has rules, rules that make victory just that bit harder to achieve.

in other words being nice is nice, but it makes victory harder to achieve and in the end an other quote "Victory is written by the victors!"

[Teralitha]

cw roy, on 10 June 2012 - 06:06 PM, said:

Wow, 21 pages dedicated to legging. How many variations of opinion are there?

Seems the majority have no problem with legging.

[Teralitha]

Chiyeko Kuramochi, on 22 June 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

I leg if I can it is often a good way to take down heavier mechs than blasting at the thick armour int he torso, beside the quicker you kill your target the better job you did imho.

Also for those who say it should be fromend upon I like to put down quote from star trek ds9:

Bashir: But even in war there are rules!
Garak: No doctor, the Federation has rules, rules that make victory just that bit harder to achieve.

in other words being nice is nice, but it makes victory harder to achieve and in the end an other quote "Victory is written by the victors!"

While shooting the CT may actually almost always be the quickest way to kill a mech, sometimes I preferred to humilate the enemy pilot by destroying all their weapons first... then taking out a leg, then both torsos... and critting the ct, and leave them. but I prob wont do that here since getting the kill will improve my exp and cbills.

[McScwizzy]

While I do not have a problem with legging it is not a tactic I use. If it is a fast mech I might injure one of its legs to slow him down, but not blow it off.

[Shootanoob]

A Mech is a mobile fireplattform on the battlefield. One obvious way of countering him is to destroy that mobility. Therefore, legging is in my eyes not cheap or easy, but a legitimate way of ensuring a win. And as far as I'm an Inner Sphere Mech Jock, I give no damned secon thought on who consider this tactics chalcas or nor.

What I hope for is that while damaging one leg will slow a Mech significantly down, the destruction of the secon Mech would not result in his instant death, but leave him immobile. So, if clever placed, a legged pilot could still be of some value, even if he has a severe disadvantage on his side.

Edited by BigPuma, 22 June 2012 - 07:22 AM.

[Irreverence]

If mechs have legs, I say you can shoot them. If you don't like being legged...protect your legs better.

[Eiki]

Sorry, but if I see someone trying to snipe people while camping on the edge of a cliff, I am going for the Leg. I want to see them fall.

[BFalcon]

Just to point out - a lot of mechs (the Catapult is one) actually have substantial armour on the legs - the CAT-A1 actually has as much per leg as the central torso, so legging won't always be the advantage you think it is. Shooting limbs off may end up being the better solution (as in this case).

The Atlas isn't quite there, but is nearly so...

You'll mainly find lighter leg armour on one of two types of mech: Lights (where they sometimes try to improve the survival of the mech through increased torso armour) or mechs designed to punch above their weight (and so sacrifice armour to pack in more weapons).

So far, the Catapult, Atlas and Hunchback all have the same or nearly so armour in the legs as the centre torso (certainly not less than the side torsos). The Jenner, on the other hand, generally has less in the legs (there is one variant with vastly increased armour and 2 medium lasers, so be warned).

I think, personally, that legging is not going to be much of an issue if they follow the canon designs - if they stray, then there may be a problem. The torso, when you take into account stray rounds and convergance of weapons, will probably be the better target in any case.

[Gwarryn]

All is Fair in LOVE and WAR..

[PixelPixie]

i thiks its fine as it stands...not shooting the legs but keeping it allowed and in line with the game.

legging should give more of a dishonor to the pilot and his/her unit or house..no true warrior would leg
as they would find it more honor bound to fight it out.

but as a mechanic to win the games i can see whre it has its uses leg hits to slow mechs to stop them from reaching a base under capture...lighter units could harass it more ..

but as a general rule of honor i would take it as a no dont do it.

my 2.1 cents on that matter
love pixie

[MiniChiken]

War is complete and utter chaos. You don't let the other guy catch his breath, you follow up and hit him in the gut a few more times so he passes out. Legging is a viable option but it should require a degree of skill to do so.

[Project_Mercy]

A true BT warrior WOULD leg, as it disables the mech, effectively takes it out of combat as long as it didn't drop somewhere important, and saves the expensive parts for salvage. Coreing a mech is wasteful.

The whole "legging honor" thing is a MechWarrior affectation as a result of the fact that in TT you have to work harder to aim your weapons at something to shoot (Depending on targeting computers and the like), vs in Mechwarrior you just point at the leg and say "go".

MWO Mechlab lets you adjust armor. If you want, put all your armor on your legs.

If you want pinpoint or WYSIWYG accuracy, you want leggings. They go hand in hand. If you want randomized damage packets, then I can see being upset about legging.

[m0raca]

mwhighlander, on 02 February 2012 - 02:35 PM, said:

If the developers do things 'right' legging will be a thing of a past

We will have to agree to disagree on that topic. Hopefully we can keep this civil as your mech is cripple and is left crawling to catch up as the other team takes the objective and finishes you off if they so desire.

Edited by m0raca, 22 June 2012 - 08:03 AM.

[Tovran]

If it is like MW3, then yes legging is a problem. Lose one leg and you were dead in MW3. If it is more like MW4, then it was pretty close to fine. You could have pretty much the same tonnage of armour on a leg as the CT and you had to lose 2 legs to die. One change from the MW4 system I would like is instead of magic damage transfer to the internal structure of the other leg, at least make it to the armour if not remove it. Between two legs you have way more armour then on the CT (or should unless you removed it all, and then you deserve what you get), not to mention your mech should stay mostly combat effective even with leg damage.

Since there is no respawn it would be a major gamble to try for another mechs legs before he cores you with a setup like that.

Edited by Tovran, 22 June 2012 - 08:12 AM.

[Master Q]

You are playing a game in which giant robots shoot at each other.

When you shoot certain panels, things happen. That varies depending on what panel you shoot. If I shoot your arm or your leg or your torso, different things happen.

If you are going to ask me to not shoot a specific panel because you don't like the result of it being shot, you need to learn to play the same game I'm playing. First you ask people not to shoot legs because you don't like the result? Next you're going to be asking me not to shoot your right arm because your best weapon is there, or not shoot people in the back where their armor is weaker.

Play the same game everyone is playing. By the same rules everyone else is playing by, not the rules you made up in your head.