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[Red squirrel]

SuperClone, on 05 September 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

ITT - Stuck up mech role players / Rude sim snobs.

OP - I understand your desire for 3rd person. I wouldn't mind the feature as well. It will never happen with this developer and this community who will shout anyone down who brings up anything that might remind them that this game isn't real life.

Devs - Recorder mode, and/or 3rd person mode when spectateing. Yes please. You want streamers, youtubers, and commentators to be able to stream the game.

Would be great for the spectater to have a free floating camera......and would get abused 99% of the time to spot enemy mechs and help the team out via teamspeak etc...

[Shai tan]

I remember when the azzcam view Mech Insult... I mean Mech Assault was released. PACMAN meets Mechwarrior. And who knows? Maybe that kinda thing is immersive for some peeps. But THIS is Mechwarrior Online. And I am glad the 1st person incockpit view SIM peeps are finally getting a Mech game they have waited for, for a very long time.

Edited by Shai tan, 05 September 2012 - 09:35 AM.

[Woska]

I'm not sure I understand the logic behind your statement. What we have currently is a cockpit view, as if you were sitting the the seat with the neurohelmet on your head. What you're proposing is a exterior view, where you can see the back of your own head. That does not enhance immersion, it detracts from it.

I understand the desire to see your mech in action, but the cockpit view is still the best way to go. I think an option to record the match would be much better. Then you could watch it again from an exterior angle to see the neat stuff happening.

But if that's not an option, stay away from the third person view, that would cheapen the experience.

[Bansheedragon75]

Red squirrel, on 05 September 2012 - 09:18 AM, said:

No in-game 3rd person view.
What would be nice though would be a backwards view. (e.g. a camera that can be destroyed once the armor is off)

Rear View camera has been suggested before, unfortunately its not gonna happen due to limitation in the game engine.
From what I understand the CryEngie 3 just cant handle it.

[buttmonkey]

[color=#959595]The game is played from the first person. We’re exploring ways to have a third person camera that make sense from a gameplay point of view.[/color]

this is all we are asking for, a way to see in 3rd person that doesnt affect gameplay i think thats what he means when he says "makes sense from a gameplay point of view". that way everybody is happy.

im not sure if there will be a pve/campaign mode but i sincerely hope there is.
if so the perfect solution would be to have 1st person only in pvp (unless they find an option that does not affect gameplay in 3rd p), and the option of 3rd person in campaign mode and/or co-operative campaign mode if they have it!
lets face it no body is going to cry about us being able to peek at an AI mech over a hill.

i want to make something clear, i like FOV i think it does help immersion, however i do like 3rd person and i just thhink there is room for it.

Edited by buttmonkey, 05 September 2012 - 10:38 AM.

[Lyoto Machida]

No 3rd person view, please...I don't see how that fosters "more immersion" than 1st person.

[Bansheedragon75]

Proximo, on 05 September 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

No 3rd person view, please...I don't see how that fosters "more immersion" than 1st person.

It dont.
I wonder if many of those who post about 3PV, dont understand just what this game is all about.
I suspect some of them may have played sim like games before, but which also offers 3PV, and dont understand what simulator really means.

Edited by Dragonlord, 05 September 2012 - 05:41 PM.

[xhrit]

3rd person view doesn't need a camera drone following anything, it is a virtual overlay that is generated by your neuro helm from sensor data collected by your mech, just like wireframe view, low light enhancement, or thermal heat vision display. It has nothing to do with being a simulator or being an authentic mechwarrior experience.

Microsoft Flight Simulator had 3rd person camera view.

The last 5 Mechwarrior games have all had 3rd person camera view as well. In fact every Mechwarrior game except the very first one released in 1989 had 3rd person view.... and the first one also had no multiplayer pvp.

Mechwarrior 2 : The Clans - 3rd person view
Mechwarrior 2 : Mercs - 3rd person view
Mechwarrior 3 - 3rd person view
Mechwarrior 4 - 3rd person view
Mechwarrior 4 : Mercs - 3rd person view

Mechwarrior Online will feel incomplete to me without a 3rd person view.

Edited by xhrit, 05 September 2012 - 06:22 PM.

[DHB Drachenwolf]

R U FREAKEN NUTS???

Salute

[Bansheedragon75]

xhrit, on 05 September 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

3rd person view doesn't need a camera drone following anything, it is a virtual overlay that is generated by your neuro helm from sensor data collected by your mech, just like wireframe view, low light enhancement, or thermal heat vision display. It has nothing to do with being a simulator or being an authentic mechwarrior experience.

Microsoft Flight Simulator had 3rd person camera view.

The last 5 Mechwarrior games have all had 3rd person camera view as well. In fact every Mechwarrior game except the very first one released in 1989 had 3rd person view.... and the first one also had no multiplayer pvp.

Mechwarrior 2 : The Clans - 3rd person view
Mechwarrior 2 : Mercs - 3rd person view
Mechwarrior 3 - 3rd person view
Mechwarrior 4 - 3rd person view
Mechwarrior 4 : Mercs - 3rd person view

Mechwarrior Online will feel incomplete to me without a 3rd person view.

So basically what you are saying is that because other games have 3rd person option, this game should have it too?
Sorry but that argument just fall flat on its face right off the bat, and is completely invalid.

It has been explained ad infinitum why it should not be in the game and you do not have anything that can even remotely come close to counter that.
The devs have also stated they might add it for special game setting, but nothing about them adding it for regular play, and referring to other games having them is not gonna make then change their mind.

I'm so tired of all these self entitled spoiled 3PV players(brats?) who think that just because they want something in a game it should be added without regard for what others want.

If you cant accept and adapt to this game being 1st person only then I suggest you find a different game to play.

Edited by Dragonlord, 05 September 2012 - 06:51 PM.

[xhrit]

Dragonlord, on 05 September 2012 - 06:45 PM, said:

I'm so tired of all these self entitled spoiled 3PV players(brats?) who think that just because they want something in a game it should be added without regard for what others want.

You are tired of all the self entitled Mechwarrior fans who think 3rd person view should be in the latest Mechwarrior just because it was in ever other game to ever bare the name Mechwarrior.

OK.

Makes perfect sense.

[Bansheedragon75]

xhrit, on 05 September 2012 - 07:52 PM, said:

You are tired of all the self entitled Mechwarrior fans who think 3rd person view should be in the latest Mechwarrior just because it was in ever other game to ever bare the name Mechwarrior.

OK.

Makes perfect sense.

You are overlooking one major difference between the other MW games and MWO.
MWO are Online only, all the previous MW games were primarily Single player games, with a mulitplayer aspect to them
The computer will never complain about how you have an advantage over it, but another human player would never accept it.

Can you give me one good reason for why they should add it in this game just because the other MW games had it?

It has been explained ad infinitum why we should not have 3PV in this game, you have yet to offer any solid argument to counter that.
But the 3PV arcade shooter fanatics dont want to accept that because it dont fit with their playstyle, they think they are entitled to have it here as well just because other games had it.

[xhrit]

Dragonlord, on 05 September 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

You are overlooking one major difference between the other MW games and MWO.
MWO are Online only, all the previous MW games were primarily Single player games, with a mulitplayer aspect to them.

My point is that every Mechwarrior game until now that had multiplayer pvp also had 3rd person view.

The only reason the "first person only" fanatics have given for why 3rd person should not be added to this game is because "it dont fit with their playstyle."

There is no valid reason to remove a staple feature that has been in every iteration of an almost 20 year old franchise.

Edited by xhrit, 05 September 2012 - 10:43 PM.

[buttmonkey]

i think they will eventually add third person view. if you guys were not so selfish you would realise that in the the long run it is essential to bring in all mechwarrior fans and not to alienate a big chunk of the franchises's fanbase. how is that good for the game or the franchise. if you look at other online games a lot off them fail.

lets be honest, mechwarrior will be relying on its long term fans like us who have played every single mechwarrior game. we will be the stable core of the community.

it makes no sense from a business point of view to flat out reject 3rd person. and they havn'y, that is why they never say never.

look at what happened to the final fantasy franchise when they added voice actors (american voice actors >.<), old fans who had played final fantasy 1-9 suddenly lost faith and interest in the franchise and now it is almost dead and played mainly by kids. maybe not the perfect example but..

the moral of the story, if it isn't broken, don't fix it, this is why i really want a way for 3rd person which wont give any kind of advantage because its what a lot of people want, and its better for the game over the long haul.

would you honestly be bothered at all if we were using 3rd person and you knew there were no advantage to it? or would it bother you still just knowing that we are playing in 3rd person?

Edited by buttmonkey, 06 September 2012 - 12:24 AM.

[buttmonkey]

Dragonord-

"I'm so tired of all these self entitled spoiled 3PV players(brats?) who think that just because they want something in a game it should be added without regard for what others want"

wow talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

if you actually read my posts you will notice that i'm trying to find a middle ground where both are happy.

also we were asked to keep it civil by the moderator so lets not start a slagging match.

Edited by buttmonkey, 06 September 2012 - 12:37 AM.

[Lord Sevenous]

buttmonkey, on 06 September 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

would you honestly be bothered at all if we were using 3rd person and you knew there were no advantage to it? or would it bother you still just knowing that we are playing in 3rd person?

But there IS an advantage to it! A Jenner hugging my back like a Tick I won`t see if there is no friend behind me in 3rd person I would see him also as the Devs stated looking around "small" Buildings would be probable because of this they stated that there will be no 3rd person to make teamplay and scouts more important and not just bigger is better like all other Mechwarrior titles before!

[buttmonkey]

Lord Sevenous, on 06 September 2012 - 12:41 AM, said:

But there IS an advantage to it! A Jenner hugging my back like a Tick I won`t see if there is no friend behind me in 3rd person I would see him also as the Devs stated looking around "small" Buildings would be probable because of this they stated that there will be no 3rd person to make teamplay and scouts more important and not just bigger is better like all other Mechwarrior titles before!

ok you completely missed my point..
my point is if there is a way to add 3rd person WITHOUT giving an advantage would you still be bothered?
a simple example... only in pve scenarios.
would that bother you still?

[Lord Sevenous]

IF there was ... No.
But it`s not what is important NOW! Now we work all together to make this game as it stands a success so that they MAY include PVE or even make a single player down the street (even with your 3rd person )...
It`s just too early to make a wishlist of everything you want to see!
Let`s just concentrate on the Game we have here. If they don`t make money with this we will not see anything or just a better beta being kept alive by a few Fans.

Edited by Lord Sevenous, 06 September 2012 - 01:14 AM.

[DeeZNuttS]

With all this ******* and moaning about 3rd person, just make it an option at the server or drop level. If you dont want to play it dont. Just like the servers at MW4. Some were FFP and some were not. Its that simple. You guys are making my left ******** hurt with all this over thinking about immersion and if tech was possible.....come on its a video game.

[Egomane]

DeeZ NuttS, on 06 September 2012 - 03:22 AM, said:

With all this ******* and moaning about 3rd person, just make it an option at the server or drop level. If you dont want to play it dont. Just like the servers at MW4. Some were FFP and some were not. Its that simple. You guys are making my left ******** hurt with all this over thinking about immersion and if tech was possible.....come on its a video game.

As if it were so easy... It is not!

This is an MMO. Everyone plays with everyone. If you want to set different server settings you need different servers. Different servers need money to be paid for and split the community. Next thing some players want NHUA servers. Again increasing the cost and splitting the player base. Were is the end to that? At what point will every player be happy, that he was able to play his favorite game mode for a few days, before PGI/IGN goes bancrupt and has to shut down services completly?

As nice as it would be, to be able to cater to all the different wishes, unless we get a lot (and I mean... A LOT) of paying players, we will have to live with one server type only.