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[Rutto]

3rd person view with no sight might be ok, but not use in battle for peaking and other stuff, u know what i mean...

[Bansheedragon75]

Gonna amend my statement in regards to rear view.
After doing allot of searching and reading around the forums, I have found no official statement on it.

But from what I have read I have found the following.

Its not impossible to add it, but its very difficult to add and may not make it into the game at all due to the difficulty of adding it.
I'm no expert on the issue and dont know what the reason is, just summing up what I have found about rear view.

If you want more info on it there are countless threads on the subject you can read through that should answer your questions about it.

[Tekkiller]

NO NO NO

For the 1 million's time NO!

Stop it already!

There have been thousands of these topics and each time the vast majority of players oppose 3rd person. There have been polls to support this with the "nays" exceeding 90%. On top of that, the Developers indicated it won't happen! Find a differ

[Bansheedragon75]

Tekkiller, on 07 September 2012 - 12:28 PM, said:

NO NO NO

For the 1 million's time NO!

Stop it already!

There have been thousands of these topics and each time the vast majority of players oppose 3rd person. There have been polls to support this with the "nays" exceeding 90%. On top of that, the Developers indicated it won't happen! Find a differ

They will not stop.
It dont matter what you say, they want it and because they want it they should have it, thats their reasoning.
They simply do not care if it would ruin the game or give an unfair advantage to those who use it over those who dont as long as they can have it, no matter how good your argument against it are.

And because so many games previously have catered to the vocal minority they think that if they just keep begging, demanding or threatening long enough they will get it.

Edited by Dragonlord, 07 September 2012 - 01:34 PM.

[buttmonkey]

if you tweak this statement a little...

dragonlord-
"They will not stop.
it dont matter what you say, they want it and because they want it they should have it, thats their reasoning.
They simply do not care if it would ruin the game or give an unfair advantage to those who use it over those who dont as long as they can have it, no matter how good your argument against it are.

And because so many games previously have catered to the vocal minority they think that if they just keep begging, demanding or threatening long enough they will get it. "

like so...

They will not stop.
it dont matter what you say, they (don't) want it and because they (dont) want it they should (not) have it, thats their reasoning.
They simply do not care if it would ruin the game or give an unfair advantage to those who (don't) use it over those who do as long as they can (not) have it, no matter how good your argument against it are.

And because so many games previously have catered to the vocal minority they think that if they just keep begging (moderators to close this topis), demanding or threatening (people who are in favor with 3rd person by using such fear tactics as acusing them of breaking the nda in order to shut them up) long enough they will get it.

now this statement sounds correct

Edited by buttmonkey, 07 September 2012 - 02:23 PM.

[Ps10n1C]

I think that this community gets it all wrong. I don't want to argue if it is wrong idea or not to have 3rd person on a button (though i would like to see it implemented, I really don't see how it would give any advantage to someone), but I really can't understand people voting out stuff just because they think "it will stress the game engine", or "they can't do it" Drop that argument, ffs, you are not the programmers, just beta-testers! Leave that for the dev team to figure out. You are here just to put a good idea in front of them. No more, no less...

EDIT: and of course, to hunt some code bugs... and MECHs

Edited by Ps10n1C, 07 September 2012 - 02:24 PM.

[spewdog]

this is all i gotta say

[zer0imh]

Retu81, on 07 September 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

I think that the lack of the 3rd person view is a refreshing change of theme if you compare this game to other modern games released during the past few years. How many recently released games DON'T have 3rd person view?.

agree. even GRiD2 will cancel in-car view. stupid decision.

[Hidran]

Third person for the win!
I love it

[zer0imh]

Hidran, on 07 September 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

Third person for the win!
I love it

mechassault is for you.

[xhrit]

Kurayami, on 07 September 2012 - 03:21 AM, said:

hey dont touch TIE-Fighter!

buttmonkey why yes we are screaming for removing of those elements. but our screams a tiny drop in nonstop stream of tears of diehard arcade lovers.

and "coop against ai" falls into same category. official main game mode is... PvP so its only natural to complete this mode, and by complete i mean game release, before trying to implement another. stop trying to force devs into despersing forces on noncritical stuff. 3d person is NOT critical component needed for game release. coop against ai is NOT critical component needed for game release. this was stated by devs themself and not just once. so please get your priorities straight and instead of fighting for something that 100% will not make it into release build, try to concentrate on matter at hand ie TESTING and PvP so devs could complete main body and start to make other things like special mode with 3d person and your beloved coop.

tie fighter had 3rd person camera.

just sayin'.

[Hidran]

zer0imh, on 07 September 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

mechassault is for you.

I did enjoy it, but I prefer mechwarrior

Edited by Hidran, 07 September 2012 - 03:53 PM.

[DerKrampus]

I would love to see third person implemented as a sort of after-battle record/playback feature. An in-engine playback tool would be an incredible tool for those of us who want to improve, especially when we get owned too quickly to know what hit us. XD A freecam mode that allows you to focus on/pan around any mech on the field in a saved replay would be awesome.

[Bansheedragon75]

Ps10n1C, on 07 September 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

I think that this community gets it all wrong. I don't want to argue if it is wrong idea or not to have 3rd person on a button (though i would like to see it implemented, I really don't see how it would give any advantage to someone),

I have tried explaining it before, seems I have to repeat it.
I hope you will listen to what I have to say and at least try to understand it.
I'll quote a post I made a few pages back that explains how it gives an unfair advantage

Dragonlord, on 02 September 2012 - 06:06 AM, said:

It would not give an unfair advantage if everyone used it or it was 3rd person only, but around 90% of the players here on the forums dont want it and prefer the actual feeling of actually piloting the mech.

Here is a hypothetical situation for you

Lets say they add 3rd person view like they had in previous mech games.
You can then look over a hill or around corners to see what is there without hiving to expose yourself.
The guy in the other mech is playing 1st person and dont have this advantage.

You will be able to line up your shots and shoot at him the moment he comes into view without him knowing you are there.
Depending on the situation and if you are good you can get off 2 alpha strikes on him before he knows you are there, at which point he wil most likely be critically damaged.
How is that not giving you and unfair advantage?

Or say you can look over a hill lock on and fire your missiles without ever leaving cover, while the guy you are shooting at has no chance to fire back at you without further exposing himself.
How is that not an unfair advantage?

So by adding it, even as an option, you are essentially forcing everyone to use it in order to stay competitive.
Those who does not use it will be at a disadvantage as they cant see whats around corners or over hills without exposing themselves.

This game is a simulator game.
Its simulating you as the pilot of the mech.
This is not an arcade shooter.

If you want to put in in an RPG aspect then look at it like this.
You are playing the role of the pilot of the mech, not the mech itself.

The reason we get these heated argument are because the long time fans of the IP have waited for over 10 years for a new game in the series, and they want a real simulator not an arcade like shooter.
While the small yet very vocal group that want 3PV seem unwilling to let the fans have their game without adding 3PV to it.

There are so many games out there that offers 3PV that I honestly dont understand why they cant let those who want an FFP game have this one game with FFP.

Hidran, on 07 September 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

I did enjoy it, but I prefer mechwarrior

Well then there is Mechwarrior 2, 3 and 4, they have 3PV options.

[Raptor Khatib]

Quite simple if want 3rd person please b my guest and play anyone of a number of MW titles with it but if you want in in this game please die in a fire thanks.

[miscreant]

AngryOgre, on 23 August 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

There's propably tons of similar topics and i udnerstand what an issue this is. First of all, I'm a big fan of the 3rd person view to view my mech from time to time, it helps the immersion dramaticaly. On the other hand, i know that playing the game in this camera would mean a lot of refinement and work from the side of the developers. However there could be a solution if the 3rd person view would be available only when there's no visible enemy mechs in your range. Another idea which i would love to see is a recording option. This would add a lot in immersion. View your approach after the battle, zoom the camer freely etc. What do you guys think?

Cockpit view is for immersion - 3rd person is for console gamer kiddies.

Edited by miscreant, 07 September 2012 - 05:03 PM.

[buttmonkey]

if you think the arguing and bickering is bad now wait until the open beta when all people join and immediately ask the question "how do i change to 3rd person?"
you watch as they are shot down by you FPS PVP freaks with comments like, if you want 3rd person please go die in a fire, 3rd person is for console kiddies, go play mechwarrior assault. (these are examples just from page 11 of this topic!!!)
i have the sneaking suspicion that your all under the age of 16, or your all just very immature and offensive to people who have the nerve to ask for 3rd person.
you really think people who are paying jack squat for the game will think twice before un-installing the game. you fanatics will drive away alot of the fanbase.
and to be honest why should we not get get some kind of 3rd person? i payed 120 dollars just like you, and we were robbed of mech warrior 5. so why the **** should we not get for example a campaign mode where we can freely use 3rd person without getting mobbed by a group of seagulls (thats how i picture you guys in my head just going WAAAH WAAAH hitting each other like buttons and swooping in on anyone with a differing opinion to your own).

Edited by buttmonkey, 08 September 2012 - 03:36 AM.

[Adridos]

buttmonkey, on 08 September 2012 - 03:33 AM, said:

i have the sneaking suspicion that your all under the age of 16, or your all just very immature and offensive to people who have the nerve to ask for 3rd person.

You probably are around that age, since with child's math, you can see that: last MW game = MW4 (which was almost 3rd person exclusive), so they must've enjoyed MW3, which was released 13 years ago. Are you saying me they played the game as 3 year olds?

[Sky Legacy]

They need to have a record/replay option of some sort 100% agree, but in-game stick to 1st person only

[buttmonkey]

Adridos, on 08 September 2012 - 03:38 AM, said:

You probably are around that age, since with child's math, you can see that: last MW game = MW4 (which was almost 3rd person exclusive), so they must've enjoyed MW3, which was released 13 years ago. Are you saying me they played the game as 3 year olds?

lol i didnt realise the game was that old already now you make me feel old lol. and saying almost exclusive is kinda pointless really isn't it, what you mean to say is it had some 1st person in it. these people here are screaming for MWO to be 1st person exclusive. oh and by the way you dont have to be around when the game is released to play it do you

Edited by buttmonkey, 08 September 2012 - 03:51 AM.