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[Suicidal Idiot]

Biglead, on 25 August 2012 - 06:25 PM, said:

But you'll never know sitting on the fence debating over the price of what is equal to a tank of gas, Deluxe pizza or a night at the movies.

I WISH I could buy a tank of gas for $30. While I'm wishing, I'd wish for the $30 movie date too.

Have not regretted founder's purchase for a millisecond.

It's fun to be a part of the genesis of this game. It's the only video game I play nowadays. The extra bonuses from being a founder are pretty cool.

I'd tell you more, but you'd have to be in-game, and then you wouldn't need me to tell you about it.

[Bryan Kerensky]

For your benefit I will tackle each concern individually.

Toraxis, on 25 August 2012 - 02:52 PM, said:

Hmm,

I seem to be at a crossroads do I buy a founders pack or not, here are some of the things running through my mind:)

Do I care about the founders tag.......No, a forum tag really:)

1.Do I care about a founders mech........No, none of the 4 mechs jump out at me as something I would want to play all the time to get the benefit.

2.Do I want to support a MW game.......Yes, if it was complete I would normal spend the 50-60 bucks to buy it. But given the chance I would demo it first before buying.

3.Is the game going to be a big massive PVP game only...... Not sure, if it's all just a big PVP death match game I
know I won't stick with it very long, either out of boredom or disgust.

4.Will F2P turn into "must spend X dollars a month" to even have a chance at surviving...... not sure, if it is I won't play long before disgust sets in.

5.Will it be fun......... God I hope so, but there has to be a storyline, something to keep my interest. as above mindless PVP won't cut it

6.Can I play as a clanner........... not sure if this is even possible, for example I am playing for a year and the clans show up. shortly after I can switch to a clan, what happens to the mech I have, my inventory, my C-bills etc. Will everyone switch to a clan for better mechs and equipment, I know there are people who will say NEVER, but if all your opponents have better tech and equipment how long before you have to switch. Not sure if I want to be a clanner but the option is a curiosity.

7.What are the mission requirements, will it just be numbers or also weight limit...... not sure but it does make a difference.

8.Is there PVE.............. not sure but it would be nice to have an option, especially after dealing with certain elements that always pop up in PVP

9.Will there be salvage after a mission......... not sure, would be nice for individual salvage after a mission though, not team loot that sucks for most. Great for guild leaders etc but not so much for everyone else.

10.Are there going to be single mech mission or is the minimum option 4vs4.......... Would be nice to have the option, even if it's say an add on to another mission. Example there is a attack defend mission House Steiner defending a planet from a merc company and while that is going on there is a side mission for a single mech to go in and take out / steal something. That would be fun personally I tend towards Stealth/Sniper options when given the chance.

I know some of these questions would require answers that may violate the NDA if you are in Beta, and that is not something I want people to do. No matter how much I might want to know the answer:)

11.Will I buy??? Still on the fence:)

1.If this is the case I would suggest the $30 veteran pack.

2.This concern has been brought up before. Without breaking NDA I can assure you that the media put up by the developers is sufficient in terms of what you are getting. The game is technically a little more complex than previous mechwarrior games but not so high as to make a transition extremely difficult.

3.Such concerns are beyond any members here. Bringing it up will only evoke speculation without any real answers.

4.This is also a concern that has been addressed. The developers have assured us many times that skill will be the dominating factor not money. We can only take them for their words because to do otherwise is beyond us and unfounded.

5.Fun is personal preference. Any sort of story line will be implemented later through whatever means the developers feel best.

6.Again this is something that is beyond the community. As you said the coming of the clans will not be for a while. Concern yourself with things that are present now.

7.Unclear, but has been alluded to.

8.The game is purely PVP for now, as to whether a PVE option will be initiated that remains to be seen.

9.Unclear, but possible.

10.I cannot break NDA however I will say that the game as it is in beta now is geared currently to work with bugs and balance issues that arrise from a typical encounter. I am sure objective based games will be implented when the developers feel that the time is right.

11.We are in no position to decide whether you put down $30. I will say if you cannot afford that amount of money you might want to review your priorities.

Edited by Bryan Kerensky, 26 August 2012 - 09:45 AM.

[Michael Withstand]

The thing is even 60 bucks is a lot of money if you compare it with buying some other fineeeee 2-3 other new or relatively new games from steam.

That is if you spend 60 bucks or more on Mechwarrior Online that means you're missing the experience of playing 2-3 new games while if you don't pay for Mechwarrior Online founders pack you still get to play Mechwarrior Online.

It's down to the value that you put to your money and whether you feel you need to support this title or you want the benefits in the founders pack or not.

For me personally I usually only start paying for f2p MMO when I feel the title is being generous to its free players then out of gratitude I spend some usually substantial enough money(at least for me).

[Bansheedragon75]

Bryan Kerensky, on 26 August 2012 - 12:35 AM, said:

For your benefit I will tackle each concern individually.

1.If this is the case I would suggest the $30 elite pack.

Is that the $30 Veteran pack, or is it the $60 elite you are talking about?
Difficult at best to determine, and might confuse some people.

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I would also like to offer the OP, or anyone else who consider buying the founders pack, some friendly advice on the subject.
I do this because I want to help you decide what you want to do.


If you consider buying a founders pack, I recommend you take the time to read some of the Information on the packs and make an informed decision, and not just buy blindly to get into beta.

This is a real beta and not a preview of how the game will be when released.
Do not expect the game to be feature complete, bug free and expect performance issues and crashes.

Many have blindly bought the founders pack only for the beta access thinking they will see a "pre-release Demo" and not an actual beta, and get so disappointed they come to the forums and rage over how this game is buggy and whatnot and make blatant uninformed statements about how the game will fail.

All feedback is welcome, both positive and negative, but you will get far better responses if you are constructive with your feedback, and not post threads that just boils down to "This game sux", or you will just get the community telling you "Its Beta".

Before you post feedback, take the time to read the stickies(Pinned) and other information around the forums, as in all likelihood the things you want to bring up has been explained already.
Dont let that discourage you from adding your opinion on things though, as long as you are constructive about it.

I'm not trying to discourage you from buying the packs, just trying to help you understand what you are getting when buying the packs.

Hope you will take this advice in the spirit it is offered, and that you find it helpful.

Edited by Dragonlord, 26 August 2012 - 05:37 AM.

[Feralsquirrel]

The best option (as far as I can determine) if you aren't sure about things as many are- is if you really don't want to part with cash, wait until the game is released and then spend whatever you want at that point.

If you want to get in -now- then just pick the $30 package- that way it's a small outlay and if you like what you see, cool beans. If not- then you haven't shelled out loads of money.

The upside is, if you -do- like the game, you can always "upgrade" to a better package if you so wish, that way you won't miss out on any benefits and still get to slip in to the Founders program while it's still running.

I wouldn't worry too much about it, to be honest. Although the perks are admittedly nice (Beta Access, Founder's mechs with benefits, etc)- it's hardly a deal breaker. If you're short on money and can't stump up the dosh, no worries. The game isn't going anywhere. All you're really doing is playtesting it a little more before release, getting some practice in and enjoying it at the same time. Sure, Founders get some goodies to go with it, but let's face it- although many will keep their Founder's mechs for posterity or extra C-Bills, the mechs aren't everything.
The biggest parts of being a Founder are the in-game currency, Premium subscription and (for some, at least) getting your name in the credits- but honestly, after you've seen your name amongst a toilet-roll-sized list of other random people's names, are you going to care? Of course you aren't.

You can easily wait until the game is out and get your in-game currency and a Premium month or several then if you're sure it's worth it. It's all down to risk- you'll either enjoy it or not- but is it worth the dosh? That's up to you. It's pointless humming and hah'ring on a fence about content we aren't sure of yet- clan wise? Let's just -not- go there. Seriously, it's that far in the future it doesn't bear thinking about. Nobody in other MMO's thought "Oh but when I'm level/tier X will we be able to Y?" It's a leap of faith- after all if your decision pivots on if you get Clan tech in X amount of time, you may as well wait and then see- or give up as the game is hardly all about the clans.

I've seen umpteen threads on "Should I buy"- well, guys/gals- seriously? It's up to YOU. We shouldn't have to convince you. Buying into stuff before you try it is nothing new, we've all preordered and been either surprised, not bothered or bitterly disappointed. The number of the former and second are far higher than the latter, let us assure you. This is going to be, let's face it, mostly PvP from the getgo. Will there be PvE later? Well, that's up to the Dev's when and if that gets implemented in a manner you enjoy- but it's MECHWARRIOR - that should be enough if you enjoy the Battletech universe, right?

So- take your leap and purchase, or continue to mull on the fence. Nobody is going to kick you off the fence but -YOU- at the end of the day. Throw in your $30 and give it a go -NOW- and decide for yourself, we, and the game, are not going to go anywhere, we'll all be here with open arms and large robotic arms to boot, ready to embrace another member.

[Maire Devylin]

Here's the funny thing about this:

$30 is:
A cheap dinner for two - 8 to 12 hours start to toilet
4-5 drinks at a club - 5 hours max and you'll feel crappy the next day
7 gallons of gas - not much at all
A movie (matinee) for 2 (adult and kid probably) - 2 hours
MW:O, extra XP, extra C-bills, $40 of in game currency - 30 days

When you look at it that way - pretty cheap investment

And if you still really have to think hard about that $30, maybe you shouldn't be spending it at all.

Edited by Maire Devylin, 26 August 2012 - 06:10 AM.

[Retaxis]

I try not to sit on the fence too long, I have a boney butt.
As you can see, I have the maximum package. I started with the mid-range product, then upgraded after playing.
I think the game deserves the best chance to succeed possible.

Getting into the game early has benefits aside from the stuff described in the marketing literature.
I've met some great players. I've played with some brilliant tacticians. I've had the opportunity to join several MW:O 'companies'.
I now know where I will probably spend the MC from my package, and what not to waste it on.
Although everything is subject to change from the Beta, not everything will be changed, and I feel like Beta participant advice/requests are being taken very seriously in the development of this game.

So, you can not only get a preview of things to come, you may even think of that one cool thing that no-one else thought of, and even see it included in the final release. You could make the game better. That is why I want you to get a founder's package. Try it for $30. If you're stoked by what you see, upgrade. It's that easy, and It helps all of us that play, not just you.

Jump in. I'm having fun. I have seen bugs, and have seen them fixed in fairly short order.
Piranha is taking this game as seriously as a lot of Battletech fans are (which is impressive commitment, devotion, even).
Show you're serious. Plunk it down, and see for yourself.

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

twsgoody2013, on 25 August 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

now u see why i am starting to rethink wanting to play this

no, why?

[Mechwarrior Buddah]

Retaxis, on 26 August 2012 - 06:42 AM, said:

I try not to sit on the fence too long, I have a boney butt.
As you can see, I have the maximum package. I started with the mid-range product, then upgraded after playing.

Ya, me too.

[Ceribrus]

Redshift2k5, on 25 August 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

There is nothing to indicate it will be 'you must pay X dollars a month' to play/be competitive. Your mechs do not expire, you have them forever. There is nothing you need to re-purchase or upkeep with real-money.

There is no need to EVER salvage weapons/equipment since you can just buy whatever you want with C-bills.

This really saddens me, one of the most enjoyable things i found playing this game in the past was salvage, and PvE. if nither are in the game and its just a massive non stop pvp fest, that will get boring real quick. Give us more dynamics, Give us the option to go on the hunt solo or in groups, on different planets, either looking for salvage, or raids on PvE outposts. The other side of the coin would be, mechs defending these installations for C-bills or salvage!

I really think that once your mech is destroyed, you need to buy a new one, whats the point otherwise, nobody would care if their mech gets taken out. there has to be some kind of penalty to make the game challenging, at the very least repair costs!

I would rather pay a montly subscription and have all these things than have a game which isnt really very involved.

I think I speak for all mech fans when I say, this game has the potential of greatness to even match "World of Warcraft" (in its hay day). Please make it so!

Edited by Ceribrus, 26 August 2012 - 07:07 AM.

[w0qj]

+1.
I'm also waiting for PvE (Player vs Computer) option.
This is my reason for not buying the Founders Package yet.

==>We would like MWO developers to chip on this one, would there be a PvE on the roadmap sometime in the future?


There are MW players out there who enjoys PvE, and dislike PvP.
The hardcore MWO PvP players would always rule the roost, and newer MWO playwers would regularly get their mech wiped out quickly by these seasoned PvP MWO players.


Sure, one can persist and slowly get better by constantly fighting (and consistently losing).

My idea of having fun and relax with a MechWarrior game?
No.

Ceribrus, on 26 August 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

...one of the most enjoyable things i found playing this game in the past was salvage, and PvE. if nither are in the game and its just a massive non stop pvp fest, that will get boring real quick. ...

[Python46]

i have yet to see a single F2P game released that has much of a PvE or single player mission element included. that just isn't the niche F2P games fit in. but the Devs have said PvE is a future possibility. what they are doing now is getting the PvP side going, so they have a platform to support the game and future development. and really what's the difference between PvE base defense and PvP base defense? having game types for the PvP to fit into is more to your point than PvE. and since killing a mech is the same, whether that mech is AI controlled or player controlled, i don't see the huge issue, other than that human controllers don't always do stupid, predictable things, like AI mechs do. if all you want is easy mode PvE, against AI mechs that only do 1 or 2 different things in any situation, this probably will never be the game for you.

personally, i like the idea of PvP mech combat, with game modes such as CTF, Base Defense, Convoy Defense, etc. they are easily done, if you provide destructible NPC vehicles and locations to defend or attack. one side attacks and the other defends, or both sides attack and defend(CTF). and within any battle type, there is room for scout/snipers, who move about the fringes, seeking advantages for themselves and their side in the battle. that's tactical play.

all that being said, in the end, you have to look at what the game is now and what each founders pack costs, gives you and does for development of the game. if you don't like what the game is, at this point, per the Devs or you aren't sure if you will like it, don't buy a pack. if you like the idea of supporting development of the game, buy a founders pack based on your ability to afford it. if you really want one but just can't justify the money you'd spend on it, in general financial terms, then wait for open beta and spend a smaller amount on m-cash and prem, once that structure is fully in place and you know what you can get for what you can afford. we really can't tell you what you should do, because we don't know you or your situation. even if you give us details, ad nauseum, we still don't know you and can't make that decision for you. just think about it for a bit, right down pros and cons to the game, as it stands per the devs, and your financial situation. if you put more weight with the pros, buy a pack. if you put more weight with the cons, don't. best i can come up with.

[Retaxis]

Make clans the PVE
They weren't originally intended for player-characters when introduced anyway, as I understand it.

Problem, Clanners ?

[Bryan Kerensky]

Dragonlord, on 26 August 2012 - 05:29 AM, said:

Is that the $30 Veteran pack, or is it the $60 elite you are talking about?
Difficult at best to determine, and might confuse some people.

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I would also like to offer the OP, or anyone else who consider buying the founders pack, some friendly advice on the subject.
I do this because I want to help you decide what you want to do.


If you consider buying a founders pack, I recommend you take the time to read some of the Information on the packs and make an informed decision, and not just buy blindly to get into beta.

This is a real beta and not a preview of how the game will be when released.
Do not expect the game to be feature complete, bug free and expect performance issues and crashes.

Many have blindly bought the founders pack only for the beta access thinking they will see a "pre-release Demo" and not an actual beta, and get so disappointed they come to the forums and rage over how this game is buggy and whatnot and make blatant uninformed statements about how the game will fail.

All feedback is welcome, both positive and negative, but you will get far better responses if you are constructive with your feedback, and not post threads that just boils down to "This game sux", or you will just get the community telling you "Its Beta".

Before you post feedback, take the time to read the stickies(Pinned) and other information around the forums, as in all likelihood the things you want to bring up has been explained already.
Dont let that discourage you from adding your opinion on things though, as long as you are constructive about it.

I'm not trying to discourage you from buying the packs, just trying to help you understand what you are getting when buying the packs.

Hope you will take this advice in the spirit it is offered, and that you find it helpful.

Thank you for correcting me. Your advice is correct.

[Redshift2k5]

w0qj, on 26 August 2012 - 07:25 AM, said:

+1.
I'm also waiting for PvE (Player vs Computer) option.
This is my reason for not buying the Founders Package yet.

==>We would like MWO developers to chip on this one, would there be a PvE on the roadmap sometime in the future?


There are MW players out there who enjoys PvE, and dislike PvP.
The hardcore MWO PvP players would always rule the roost, and newer MWO playwers would regularly get their mech wiped out quickly by these seasoned PvP MWO players.


Sure, one can persist and slowly get better by constantly fighting (and consistently losing).

My idea of having fun and relax with a MechWarrior game?
No.

Yes, they are thinking about PVE. It is not being worked on currently but they're 'conceptualizing' how it could work.

Th big problem with PVE is that it doesn't encourage you to buy stuff; This is why single player games are sold as a full-priced title and not a micropayment title.

You said newer MWO playwers would regularly get their mech wiped out quickly by these seasoned PvP MWO players.
Any PVP game worth it's bits sorts players by their skill and experience. The seasoned PVP pros will fight other seasoned PVP pros, and new players will fight other players of equal skill/experience. They need to keep new players happy and interested, and that means they can't just let every new player be curbstomped by "pros" in every match, or they won't stick around.

Edited by Redshift2k5, 27 August 2012 - 04:11 AM.

[Da Ugh 1701]

I suggest the $60 option. I built a new system (even though my old would've worked) and the new games coming out wouldn't have played well on my old, and it was over 5 yrs old and I bought Legendary as I wanted to support this fun game. it has a few bugs, but this is BETA and is being worked on. I don't regret the either purchase.