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[Darksteps]

Why doesn't anyone ever go for leg shots? All I ever see people aiming at are torsos and arms. Take out the legs, prone the mech, and stomp him into the ground.

Edited by Darksteps, 25 August 2012 - 07:31 PM.

[Saber Avalon]

In this forum, it'd be a breach of NDA to explain. There are reasons though.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Because while you're firing at my legs, I'll be firing at your CT... we'll see who dies faster. I know I for one, will still have all my weapons if you're shooting at my legs, and I don't underarmor my legs either, never have, never will underarmor... just one of those things you don't do... of course if you do find some poor sod who IS under armoring their legs, go for it.

Edited by Jade Kitsune, 25 August 2012 - 07:40 PM.

[OneThousandNoms]

Maybe it's also because it's not logical to go for the legs? That's like saying 'why don't you go for headshots?' in common FPS games, except it's even less tactically viable. It provides less of a target, the legs generally have near the thickest armour, and it doesn't even guarantee a kill. I just find it a bit silly to leg an enemy on purpose. Much better to just punch through torso armour.

That's just my opinion, though.

[tyrone dunkirk]

I dunno, I would think that it would take more time to knock out both legs ( which in most MW games are heavily armored, much like the CT ) than just the CT. It'd be like shooting the CT twice, I guess.

[Vermaxx]

Most MW games didn't cripple a mech when the leg blew off, just slowed it down. Yeah, that is an amazing hinderance, unless you blew the leg off an assault mech and it in turn blew the mech off your mech.

F it. This game works the same way. Torsos are faster kills.

[Freeride Forever]

Get yourself a Founder pack & a mech above a light & see if you don't get your legs taken out or at least targeted sometimes. You've watched a few videos? Big ******* deal. Legs are harder to hit. Sometimes it's a viable option, sometimes not. It depends on several factors that probably can't or shouldn't be discussed here. All I can say is I've been a victim of it once or twice. It was my own fault for letting it happen.

[zathras]

Torso = Center Mass = Larger Target than Legs = Quicker Kill = Profit.

[wanderer]

Darksteps, on 25 August 2012 - 07:30 PM, said:

Why doesn't anyone ever go for leg shots? All I ever see people aiming at are torsos and arms. Take out the legs, prone the mech, and stomp him into the ground.

They're assuming people were sensible enough to properly armor their legs. Most games without some kind of silly "no legging" code mean people design their giant robots with enough armor to make it sensible to shoot out something that kills a 'Mech rather than merely slows it down- in other words, they're going to gun for the torso or head. Which, BTW I would assume MWO will NOT be ( a silly place where nobody shoots people in the legs because GREAT DISHONOR TO LEGGERS), regardless of what's happening in the beta now.

[SnakeShady]

I think legging can be a useful stragy if it renedered the mech unable to move, if no, fogetaboutit!

[Lykaon]

Saber Avalon, on 25 August 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

In this forum, it'd be a breach of NDA to explain. There are reasons though.

No need to breach any NDA.It's real simple.

Mechs may have the same armor values on legs as they can have on R/L torso location.However side torso location must split armor values front and rear.This of course means that Legs have heavyer armor than a single facing of a side torso.

Also,Side torsos frequently carry substantial amounts of a mech's weapon payload (Hunchback 4G for example) Destroying a side torso can disable more of a mech's potential threat than hitting a leg.

Last but not least XL engines occupy three critical slots in side torsos.any 3 engine hits "kills" a mech. A one legged mech isn't "killed" and engineless Mech is.

[xDark]

People do go for leg shots. It just depends on the situation whether it's better to kill a 'Mech by legging it or by blowing a hole in its engine. Most of the time the latter is more efficient.

[Tote]

As i recall form MW3,, if you did leg a mech,, it was indeed a kill, so it's not THAT bad of a tactic,, if you can get a good snipe in and take that section out, constantly, with some high powered weapons,, it'll do you good, but I'm inclined to agree with a lot of the guys here,, go for the torso, or better yet,, rear torso,, if you can get behind them shoot them in the back. much easier,

as for this game,, I dunno yet.

[Kiril007]

i can follow him!! one leg down (and supposing the mech cant turn fast 360 body alone) and go shoot on his back!

[SakuranoSenshi]

Lykaon, on 25 August 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

No need to breach any NDA.It's real simple.

Mechs may have the same armor values on legs as they can have on R/L torso location.However side torso location must split armor values front and rear.This of course means that Legs have heavyer armor than a single facing of a side torso.

Also,Side torsos frequently carry substantial amounts of a mech's weapon payload (Hunchback 4G for example) Destroying a side torso can disable more of a mech's potential threat than hitting a leg.

Last but not least XL engines occupy three critical slots in side torsos.any 3 engine hits "kills" a mech. A one legged mech isn't "killed" and engineless Mech is.

Technically, you do indeed breach NDA talking about this. PGI have not publicly detailed armour values and the like, for one. Anyway, point is that as the man says, there's no good reason to shoot legs unless all you want to do is slow someone down (and they're still harder to hit than the torso and arms taken as one large area).

[Darksteps]

Those of you who think the armor value on the legs is the same as other body parts are not familiar with how little armor is on the legs. And legs are easy to hit unless you're the impatient type who plays CoD and just like to hold the mouse button down. If you take out a leg and prone the mech then that mech will fall down, then you just pick him apart, especially if he falls forward. Then the mech's back is showing and no way to defend it, the back has less armor than the front. Even if you don't kill that mech, at least he's out of the fight and you can deal with his mates.

The only time you would really want to focus on the CT is when you're using a weapon that will generate more heat than the mech can flush off and get the reactor to overheat and shutdown. The CT is supposed to have more armor than both legs put together. Plus, I don't know if they're designing into the game, critical hits, like actuators which if destroyed could slow down or take down the mech.

The game is in beta and maybe they haven't gotten far enough with their design to blow a leg off, but in every other version of MW, taking the leg off was smarter than trying to target the CT or any other body part.

Edited by Darksteps, 26 August 2012 - 08:05 AM.

[Steel Prophet]

Darksteps, on 26 August 2012 - 07:59 AM, said:

Those of you who think the armor value on the legs is the same as other body parts are not familiar with how little armor is on the legs. And legs are easy to hit unless you're the impatient type who plays CoD and just like to hold the mouse button down. If you take out a leg and prone the mech then that mech will fall down, then you just pick him apart, especially if he falls forward. Then the mech's back is showing and no way to defend it, the back has less armor than the front. Even if you don't kill that mech, at least he's out of the fight and you can deal with his mates.

The only time you would really want to focus on the CT is when you're using a weapon that will generate more heat than the mech can flush off and get the reactor to overheat and shutdown. The CT is supposed to have more armor than both legs put together. Plus, I don't know if they're designing into the game, critical hits, like actuators which if destroyed could slow down or take down the mech.

The game is in beta and maybe they haven't gotten far enough with their design to blow a leg off, but in every other version of MW, taking the leg off was smarter than trying to target the CT or any other body part.

First thing first: When I look at the TT values the legs on almost any mech are (almost) as heavily armored as the torsi are. Awesome 8Q has more armor in each leg than in its front center torso. Think about it.

Second: Legs usual don't carry weapons. So when you fire for the upper body you might destroy at least some weapons on your opponent (you mentioned critical hits right?). I prefer a Mech that can still run but has no guns over a mech that limps but can still bring its full weapon arsenal into the fight. But maybe that's just me...

Finally: The only version of MW where shooting for the legs is smarter than in the body is the version, in which people strip the armor off of their legs because it is "dishonorable" to shoot legs.

Just my 3 C-Bills

Edited by Steel Prophet, 26 August 2012 - 08:31 AM.

[JFlash49]

simple. legs are harder it when the mech is moving about

[Banekane]

it is all about aim most will aim for what counts or makes a easy target only way i see aiming at the legs is a feasable option is if the legs have a mounted weapon or posible ammo storage and get a % for a crit strike

Edit- to clarify its about observing the opponent see what he has as weaponry if he is all laser then aiming for the legs is pointless but if you see them use 60% or mor balistics and missles/rockets then aiming for legs is a decent option to go for if you think you can get some hits there

Edited by Banekane, 26 August 2012 - 09:17 AM.

[Darksteps]

Legs are easy to hit moving or not, mechs legs don't move very fast. If you're using any kind of laser once you find the player's lag, it's actually quite easy. As easy as poking a player's tiny little head in BF3 or really any FPS. But the legs are bigger than the head.

If the armor is the same in the legs as the Torso, then a lot has changed since I played the TT version 25 years ago. And if shooting the legs are dishonorable then the people who felt that way are idiots. Also, unless they put crits into the game, shooting the CT would be pointless unless it's just a matter of eating up all of the HPs for it.

Back in the day you could put ammo in the legs, but even without leg ammo, the legs were always easy to take out compared to the upper parts of the body. When I used to play MW2 tourneys, that was the main target. Knock a leg off and watch it fall. If it falls forward, it's torso cannot turn backwards because the mech's weight is locking it in place.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree... until the game goes gold and we'll find out for sure.