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[Karl Streiger]

Problem with TimeLines in BattleTech for every rule there is a exception.

When i can prove you one canon example of a Mech that should not appeared in a "canon" source at this time - there is no problem with the Uziel right?

Here we are Devastator DVS-2
MUL listened this BattleMech at 3048 - but indeed the Mech was used by General Otto in 3044 on Bourgogne.
Considering the DVS-1 for 3036 and the DVS-3 just a field modification for the DVS-2 - we should already have our Devastator in game right?

Given the last development of XTROs there is no guaranttee that there is no room for example a XTRO-WarOF39 - showing the

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Based on the original prototype of the Uziel

for example a 3039 Prototype of the UZL-3S

Spoiler

Uziel UZL-1X

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-F-F-A
Production Year: 3039
Cost: 11.855.750 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1.190

Chassis: Foundation E50 Standard
Power Plant: GM 250 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h (108,0 km/h)
Jump Jets: Rawlings 50
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Maximillian 100 Standard Armor
Armament:
1 ER Large Laser
1 Medium Laser
1 SRM-4
1 Autocannon/2
2 Small Lasers
Manufacturer: Defiance Industries
Primary Factory: Furillo
Communications System: Neil 6000-g
Targeting and Tracking System: RCA Instatrac Mark XXII

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Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Standard 83 points 5,00
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 250 6,50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8 (10)
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT 2,00
Heat Sinks: Single Heat Sink 14 4,00
Heat Sink Locations: 2 LL, 2 RL
Gyro: Standard 3,00
Cockpit: Standard 3,00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Standard Armor AV - 136 8,50

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 16 20
Center Torso (rear) 5
L/R Torso 12 15
L/R Torso (rear) 4
L/R Arm 8 13
L/R Leg 12 19

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Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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SRM-4 CT 3 1 2,00
Supercharger CT - 1 1,00
Small Laser RT 1 1 0,50
Small Laser LT 1 1 0,50
Autocannon/2 RA 1 1 6,00
Medium Laser RA 3 1 1,00
ER Large Laser LA 12 2 5,00
@SRM-4 (25) RT - 1 1,00
@AC/2 (45) RT - 1 1,00
Free Critical Slots: 25

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 5 Points: 12
6/3j 2 2 1 0 2 1 Structure: 2
Special Abilities: SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

or a prototype for something strange

Spoiler

Uziel UZL-2X

Mass: 50 tons
Tech Base: Inner Sphere
Chassis Config: Biped
Rules Level: Era Specific
Era: Succession Wars
Tech Rating/Era Availability: E/X-F-F-A
Production Year: 3044
Cost: 12.071.000 C-Bills
Battle Value: 1.525

Chassis: Foundation E50 Standard
Power Plant: GM 250 Fusion XL Engine
Walking Speed: 54,0 km/h
Maximum Speed: 86,4 km/h (108,0 km/h)
Jump Jets: Rawlings 50
Jump Capacity: 120 meters
Armor: Maximillian 100 Ferro-Fibrous
Armament:
2 Binary Laser Cannons
Manufacturer: Defiance Industries
Primary Factory: Furillo
Communications System: Neil 6000-g
Targeting and Tracking System: RCA Instatrac Mark XXII

================================================================================
Equipment Type Rating Mass
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Internal Structure: Standard 83 points 5,00
Engine: XL Fusion Engine 250 6,50
Walking MP: 5
Running MP: 8 (10)
Jumping MP: 4 Standard
Jump Jet Locations: 2 LT, 2 RT 2,00
Heat Sinks: Double Heat Sink 14(28) 4,00
Heat Sink Locations: 1 LT, 1 RT, 1 LA, 1 RA
Gyro: Standard 3,00
Cockpit: Standard 3,00
Actuators: L: SH+UA+LA R: SH+UA+LA
Armor: Ferro-Fibrous AV - 134 7,50
Armor Locations: 1 HD, 1 CT, 2 LT, 2 RT, 2 LA, 2 RA, 2 LL, 2 RL

Internal Armor
Structure Factor
Head 3 9
Center Torso 16 20
Center Torso (rear) 5
L/R Torso 12 15
L/R Torso (rear) 4
L/R Arm 8 12
L/R Leg 12 19

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Equipment Location Heat Critical Mass
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Supercharger CT - 1 1,00
Binary Laser Cannon RA 16 4 9,00
Binary Laser Cannon LA 16 4 9,00
Free Critical Slots: 4

BattleForce Statistics
MV S (+0) M (+2) L (+4) E (+6) Wt. Ov Armor: 4 Points: 15
6/3j 3 3 0 0 2 0 Structure: 2
Special Abilities: ENE, SRCH, ES, SEAL, SOA

Edited by Karl Streiger, 25 March 2015 - 12:13 AM.

[AkoolPopTart]

Whats with petitioning everything? Why not request it? You'll get the same result without giving off the impression that your some sort of **** head.

Im for the uziel when its time for the uziel

[Christopher Hamilton]

object on timeline
object on good looking

even a comguard raijin or a bushwhacker looks better... and they also are beyound timeline.

[Juodas Varnas]

Christopher Hamilton, on 28 March 2015 - 09:40 AM, said:

object on timeline
object on good looking

even a comguard raijin or a bushwhacker looks better... and they also are beyound timeline.

Well "good looking" is kind of subjective, wouldn't you agree?
I mean, it's not beautiful, but it does have some strange charm to it.

Though, it IS out of timeline, so yeah.
I'd much rather get an Argus, WHEN the time comes.

Edited by Juodas Varnas, 24 January 2016 - 06:02 AM.

[Ragtag soldier]

the uziel would look like a mess once they adapted it for MWO's required "puffy blocks" art style. that thing's all curves man, you see a lot of curves in the armor on these 'mechs?

[Windscape]

Well, PGI kind of ruined the timeline by starting CW over, so they might as well screw the 1:1 time line and put all sorts of things out. If you can determine your fate in CW, why make every thing else follow the lore?

Id like to see the Belial, a Uizel with 2 gauss rifles, but is that possible? Unlikely...

[m]

Windscape, on 02 May 2015 - 07:11 PM, said:

Well, PGI kind of ruined the timeline by starting CW over, so they might as well screw the 1:1 time line and put all sorts of things out. If you can determine your fate in CW, why make every thing else follow the lore?

Community Warfare is in Beta.

Edited by m, 03 May 2015 - 08:53 AM.

[Black Ivan]

Will be in production during Fedcom Civil War, so no. Just much to early.

[TheArisen]

I voted yes but I'd want it to come when timeline appropriate.

Plus there are mechs I'd be much more excited for such as the Nightstar http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Nightstar or the Assassin or Lynx.

[Vetal]

I'd like to have bushwaker and albatross, especially concerning the fact that 2016 is the year of their release.

[metalxxx]

Hello. UZIEL is the great old mech. i vote YES !!! IS LEGENDARY MECH in MECHWARRIORS pc in old versions..

[ice trey]

No Uziel unless the devs are going to jump the setting at least one decade forward.

You might as well argue for Apache Helicopters in your World War 2 game.

[The Shredder]

Pillager... Exterminator... Thug... I'd vote yes for these. They're not only actually available for the time period, but they're also Star League 'Mechs. (With names like those, how did that mighty empire ever fall? Oh yeah... Atlas.)

Hoplite... Mercury... Hermes... Clint... Assassin... Crusader

BUT, to play a bit of Devil's Advocate here... the Uziel appeared in Mechwarrior 4, first. Then a TRO. While I haven't made it through all the novels yet, I don't recall it ever being piloted in any of them. So the only real link it has is in a TRO, since all Mechwarrior games are considered apocryphal. (Several designs from MW3 were exclusive to that game as well.) Since the date for the Mauler got changed a few times, and then a "new" old 'Mech was created to give the Mauler the ability to show up in the fourth Succession War, it wouldn't be difficult to say that there wasn't an early prototype version or some such, or that it had a limited run before the factory was destroyed. But it couldn't be an omnimech. Considering that being an Omnimech is really what sets the Uziel apart... Just not seeing the appeal. An IS omnimech, with a fixed engine, endo steel, FF armor AND IS weapons? OUCH. You'd be able to build a nice... MG boat. Okay, I was trying to support the Uziel, but my own ramblings sort of highlight some very real concerns as to how it could possibly work.

Hatamoto Chi, Grand Dragon, Kracken... Plenty of REALLY cool designs left to choose from. And since the timeline is supposed to have advanced (I think) we're coming close to having the Bushwhacker be available... or is possibly available... I forget the whole Somerset Striker's loophole for that one. (I like how it looks. I'm sure I'd suck driving it.)

I do want to point out how the new 'Mechs coming out are all slimmer, and have a ton of hardpoints. I still like to drive my Yen-Lo-Wang and Dragon 1N. Still do fine. Then I get these new 'Mechs with so many HPs, and the builder in me wants to fill them all... I remember when we were making do with less. Then the clanners had to show up and ruin it for everybody.

I digress. No Uziel.

[Dun Grizzly]

I voted "yes", still, Devs are following some timeline in here and imho it gives great flavour to the game. Let us respect their work and wait patiently for all the greatness to apear in the right moment.

[HANGMAN1962]

on time line its 3052 for the 2nd yr in a row! lols[battle of tukied cw holiday event is 3052 and we've had that event 2 times allready! lmao]

[Nightshade24]

Windscape, on 02 May 2015 - 07:11 PM, said:

Well, PGI kind of ruined the timeline by starting CW over, so they might as well screw the 1:1 time line and put all sorts of things out. If you can determine your fate in CW, why make every thing else follow the lore?

Id like to see the Belial, a Uizel with 2 gauss rifles, but is that possible? Unlikely...

nope. and Belial isn't canon as you know...

Well, Twin gauss is possible I think BUT you sacrafice nearly everything... I mean twin AC 20 cicadas do exist... why not twin Gauss Uziel?

[Windscape]

maybe there is a acnnon variant w/ light guass rifles... because MechAssault screwed up a lot of things

[Omaha]

Ahh yes MechAssult..... SO many things done wrong, yet so many things done right. Take for instance the destructible buildings, and wait for it................. "Mech Explosions!" Ahaha had to, yeah I always like when the stuff just blew up. Many people may not agree. But I think it's better then rag dolls anyway. I played with explosions, and not dolls when i was a kid, dunno bout you guys. =P

[Windscape]

who doesn't play MWO and love to blow stuff up

I enjoyed the game for what it is

[Omaha]

Lol, same here I love MWO, I just like to tease the development team about mechs blowing up every chance I get =P (P.S. Why do I get the feeling that Paul ups my Gauss Rifle explosion chance, any chance he gets lmfao)

Anyways I voted yes this mech needs to be in the game, why? So I can blow it up of course!

Edited by Omaha, 27 February 2016 - 05:04 PM.