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[Ian MacLeary]

mwhighlander, on 13 March 2012 - 09:59 PM, said:

Ok, good reasoning, but here's another downside of melee: It by nature implies point blank and usually limited movement while making that swing to "chop" my or any other 'mech to pieces. In doing so you both become an easier target while if you're in front of your buddies leading the charge you have now effectively blocked the LoS for anyone directly behind you. Again, even if they include melee (weapons, *shudder*) into this title which I doubt.

At least two forms of movement-based melee attacks - charging and DFA - are hinted at in the pilot skill trees. Admittedly those were mockups and not to be taken as final. The devs have also said they'd like to include melee if they can make it work in a reasonable fashion.

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But Hell I'm not stopping people from picking melee at this point. By all means take the axe/sword/giant pipe into battle with you! I'd rather have my enemy bring a knife to a gun fight. I can debate this all day and say how "wrong" you are, but I'll never tell you to "shutup" about it. Everyone has their different opinions, with their own validity.

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I'll bring a knife *and* a gun. That way I can shoot you and then stab you when I run out of bullets. (That's the generic "you", not you personally. Unless you're the guy on the other end of the gun/knife.)

[Shiro]

if i hear 65t the first Mechs that come into my mind are Crusader & Thunderbolt ...

if i had to choose from the three listed, i would say Jagermech. Yeah it's ugly like hell, yeah it has no armor at all but i like the 4 AC's a lot.

[Ro Agato]

verybad, on 13 March 2012 - 12:08 PM, said:

Definately Jagermech. It's an Iconic Davion style mech (they love their ACs). It's a Sniper mech, something that's not yet in the game, it's got a lot of history, and it's something that I think would look really cool under FD's redesign. It's got the most history, and would be a different mech to play or fight against than what's already in the game.

The Axman is just tacky, don't like melee weapons on mechs unless it's just an Ibream ripped oput of a ruined building.

The Bombardier is an uglier missile mech than the Catapult at the same tonnage, and the Catapult fullfills that role beter in any case. The Bomb is lose lose.

I agree with verybad.


Best choice : J a g e r M e c h


So, if you are going to rush two Jagermechs defending their position, be sure, you are easy Target.
I am going to tell you: two of this supporter in your second line, gonna disturbed your enemies rush and push actions.
disturbed enemies aim... let me think: Sounds good!


Whatcha gonna do when they "rhythm" comes kicken you!:

"dakaka dakaka dakaka dakaka" peng
"dakaka dakaka dakaka dakaka""dakaka dakaka dakaka dakaka""dakaka dakaka dakaka dakaka" PENG

"dakaka dakaka dakaka dakaka" peng
"dakaka dakaka dakaka dakaka""dakaka dakaka dakaka dakaka""dakaka dakaka dakaka dakaka" PENG

vote:
J. A. G. E. R. M. E. C. H.

Edited by Ro Agato, 13 March 2012 - 10:55 PM.

[osito]

I voted jagermech. The axeman is a good mech but until the allow full melee it is useless. The bombardier while a good mech we already have a missile boat,also it has no energy weapons as back up. once ammo is gone you have to evacuate or your screwed. I would prefer though for a 65 toner a t-bolt or a crusader.

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Ian MacLeary, on 13 March 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

At least two forms of movement-based melee attacks - charging and DFA - are hinted at in the pilot skill trees. Admittedly those were mockups and not to be taken as final. The devs have also said they'd like to include melee if they can make it work in a reasonable fashion.

There was a reason I put (weapons) in parenthesis, DFA and ramming have been said to be in the game and I couldn't be happier about that decision.

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I'll bring a knife *and* a gun. That way I can shoot you and then stab you when I run out of bullets. (That's the generic "you", not you personally. Unless you're the guy on the other end of the gun/knife.)

But then why not two guns?

[Elizander]

Jager. I hope that it fires like a machinegun.

[Karyudo ds]

mwhighlander, on 13 March 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

But then why not two guns?

Why not two guns, three knives, a tactical bazooka and a hand grenade. You have to be prepared. We're comparing apples to oranges here while commanders will be raining down kiwi artillery!

[Polymorphyne]

AXMAN!

[80sGlamRockSensation David Bowie]

Karyudo-ds, on 13 March 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Why not two guns, three knives, a tactical bazooka and a hand grenade. You have to be prepared. We're comparing apples to oranges here while commanders will be raining down kiwi artillery!

B/c you only have two arms?

And oh good, just Kiwi artillery, if it was pomegranate I'd be worried. I'm pretty sure I'm allergic to that stuff..

[Hardcover]

I would go with Bombardier (oh, the possibilities of indirect fire!), but if the selection was opened up, my favorite 65-tonner would have to be the Thunderbolt. It has a fair decent mix of speed, firepower, and survivability. Granted, it also isn't particularly outstanding in any of those categories, but you can't have everything, I suppose.

[Wyzak]

Axman, for visual appeal if nothing else. But oh please don't go down the Mektek path and remove all the hardpoints from the side with the Ax. You'll have a 65 ton mech with a cosmetic axe and nowhere to put any weapons so you dump all the extra weight into heat sinks.or ammo.

[verybad]

Wyzak, on 13 March 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

Axman, for visual appeal if nothing else. But oh please don't go down the Mektek path and remove all the hardpoints from the side with the Ax. You'll have a 65 ton mech with a cosmetic axe and nowhere to put any weapons so you dump all the extra weight into heat sinks.or ammo.

Umm, we didn't put the Axman in MW4...The only unit with melee weapons we put in were Battlearmor, because we didn't have access to the animation code, and BA were small enough to just call it clawing when they got extremely close to their target, in reality it's just modified energy weapon code though.

Please don't blame something you imagined as being done wrong by us however.

And the Axman has no visual appeal (well actually it's not that bad WITHOUT the axe), I'd have fought tooth and nail against it's inclusiun as I've always felt that melee weapons on mechs was incredibly stupid. It's just ridiculous.

Edited by verybad, 14 March 2012 - 12:04 AM.

[pursang]

verybad, on 13 March 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Umm, we didn't put the Axman in MW4...The only unit with melee weapons we put in were Battlearmor, because we didn't have access to the animation code, and BA were small enough to just call it clawing when they got extremely close to their target, in reality it's just modified energy weapon code though.

Please don't blame something you imagined as being done wrong by us however.

And the Axman has no visual appeal (well actually it's not that bad WITHOUT the axe), I'd have fought tooth and nail against it's inclusiun as I've always felt that melee weapons on mechs was incredibly stupid. It's just ridiculous.

You're rediculous! YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE AWESOME!

*Ahem*

Axman all the way.

[Azantia]

mwhighlander, on 13 March 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

I really cannot understand why so many people want the Axeman. If you want an AC/20 pick either a 'mech that can take a bigger beating (Atlas) or one with more speed (Hunchback). Even if melee is even in the game, can you honestly see yourself running at a lance of coordinated 'mechs and even get a swing off before you're turned into fodder? No, will never happen. Smart players will keep their distance and laugh at you and your horrible 'mech decision. But then again, I do love getting free kills... maybe you'd stand a chance in Urban Combat. Until then, its a waste of tonnage and looks completely asinine.

As for the Bombardier, the Catapult already has this role and is better at it. Plus, it doesn't look nearly as good. As many others have said rather just have an Archer or Catapult.

The Jaggermech on the other hand would fill a role that we don't have yet. Long range fire support with a LOT of autocannons.

Jaggermech all the way.

No, Im actually thinking of the "hardpoints" system that they talked about as part of the mechlab, and to me the Axman makes sense that it has a more balanced loadout (Having designs that have lasers,+ Autocannons or Missiles) as opposed to the under-armored Autocannon laden Jagermech or the Cata-dier (Bombardier) which is basically the same as a Catapult?

As i said, I would take Thunderbolt over anything, and I would take a Crusader before any of these three as well. The Exterminator is a good mech, but we have a few years before we can even THINK of acquiring one as mercs / I.S. house units.

[pursang]

Azantia, on 14 March 2012 - 01:07 AM, said:

No, Im actually thinking of the "hardpoints" system that they talked about as part of the mechlab, and to me the Axman makes sense that it has a more balanced loadout (Having designs that have lasers,+ Autocannons or Missiles) as opposed to the under-armored Autocannon laden Jagermech or the Cata-dier (Bombardier) which is basically the same as a Catapult?

As i said, I would take Thunderbolt over anything, and I would take a Crusader before any of these three as well. The Exterminator is a good mech, but we have a few years before we can even THINK of acquiring one as mercs / I.S. house units.

Ugh, an Exterminator would be AMAZING. Null Signature System + Chameleon Light Polarization Shield on a platform designed for headhunting? YES PLOX!

[SnowDragon]

I always prefered 55 tonners over 65s in the meduim lines. There's just no equal to the good old Bushwacker.

[Azantia]

no equal to a Bushwacker? Come on now : Shadow Hawk, Griffin, Grim Reaper, Lynx, Wolverine, Dervish, Gladiator (55 Ton I.S. version clanners) the 55 Ton bracket has alot of really really great mechs to contend against there Snow....

55 Ton is my preferred weight class. Bushwacker is good, but is hardly without equals.

Edited by Azantia, 14 March 2012 - 01:19 AM.

[SnowDragon]

Alright, so I might be biased It's quick, and can pack a right punch. I just like the look as well

[Nighthound]

This is rather easy ....

The Bombardier is a realy bad design ... come on just 6 shots per launcher? .... and we have the Catapult!

If i wanted a medium up close in your face kinda Mech I would go for a Centurion (AH with AC/20 or the YLW (yes i know it's a unique refit) with hatchet and AC/20 so basicaly the same Mech) or a Hunchie. The only thing good to say about the Axeman is the rediscovered StarLeague Tech.

We don't have a direkt-long-range-(and I mean LONG range .... nothing can shoot as far as an ER-MG)-fire-Mech jet so ... here we go *clicklastoption*

[ethnic minority]

In anticipation of our beloved Jagermech winning the poll, I motion we move onto discussion as to how we will pronounce 'Jagermech':
Yay-ger Mech?
Jagger Mech?
Mech Jagger?
Autocannon McDouchesplode?