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#21 Revage

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:09 PM

View PostWithSilentWings, on 02 October 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

Clearly you haven't seen the Mechwarrior 2 Mercs intro!


The Mech 2 Mercs into was pretty sweet, and Mech 2 was a good game, but Mech 2 Ghostbear's Legacy was the best one so far. An Executioner mech custom made for under-water combat? A mech battle in space on the backs of space ships, where you have to blow the reactor of the opposing ship by entering the pipes? Yeah.. the glory days. Oh, and the intro of a Kodiak ripping the arm off a Vulture, can't forget that.

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Posted 02 October 2012 - 08:39 PM

View PostRevage, on 02 October 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:


Oh, and the intro of a Kodiak ripping the arm off a Vulture, can't forget that.


Ripping the arm off was unforgettable for about as long as it took to witness the follow-up DFA. :)

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 01:13 AM

Why should it present a merc unit? The gamestory is build around the refusal war. I guess the decal shown is a cluster insignia of a Wolf or Jade Falcon unit.

Edited by Thorn Hallis, 03 October 2012 - 01:13 AM.


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Posted 03 October 2012 - 01:33 AM

I'm just here for the robots and explosions. D:

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Posted 03 October 2012 - 02:35 AM

View Post1ceTr0n, on 01 October 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

His computers down, his leg and arm are damaged = he's in bad shape. It's got a lock me = the enemy mech is gonna kill him in his damaged state

What so hard about this?



*Whoosh* right over your head.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:44 AM

A keshik or even a Galaxy can have it's own unit insignia, I could say that some clusters would have a symbol to identify with. Nothing new or weird about that. Yes I heard the contractions too. No, Clanners do sometimes use contractions when stressed beyond relief. It's why they try so hard to avoid them in Polite Speach. They consciously choose to not use contractions to display purity and precision in their speach. And then they run around creating a whole new bunch of shortcuts in their language. Kind of a silly thing for humans to do, QuiAff?

Every new generation thinks their way of speaking is new and cool and not shared by their elders. I don't speak Jive, Rap or Gangsta, but I can guess the English interpretation if I hear enough of it. Amusingly, the first middleschool kid that sneered the word "Word" at me got a week's detention in school. Why? "Attitude, man, I didn't like his so I gave him mine."

GC

#27 Alex Wolfe

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:55 AM

Face it guys, there wasn't a speck of Clanner chatter there. Let's not rationalize it "Star Wars parsec-style", making up merc units, blaming it on "pilot stress", giving the pilot freeborn heritage or whatever :P . Nary an "aff" in sight there.

Occam's razor says it's most likely whoever was in charge of that part of script had no idea about BattleTech, only watched Top Gun once then wrote whatever he felt like military pilots would be saying.

Some proper Clanspeak only started appearing with Ghost Bears' Legacy, then went full speed in MW3 (which was as atmospheric sound-wise as they get). Before that... I guess whoever was in charge didn't care too much.

Edited by Alex Wolfe, 05 October 2012 - 11:59 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:15 AM

View PostJeremiah Mint, on 01 October 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

Clanners don't (erm, 'do not') use contractions. One of those goofy little things that I can't stand about them.

they don't like contractions but they do love shortening 2 words and making them a new word quiaff?

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:30 AM

View PostAlex Wolfe, on 05 October 2012 - 11:55 AM, said:

Face it guys, there wasn't a speck of Clanner chatter there. Let's not rationalize it "Star Wars parsec-style", making up merc units, blaming it on "pilot stress", giving the pilot freeborn heritage or whatever :lol: . Nary an "aff" in sight there.

Occam's razor says it's most likely whoever was in charge of that part of script had no idea about BattleTech, only watched Top Gun once then wrote whatever he felt like military pilots would be saying.

Some proper Clanspeak only started appearing with Ghost Bears' Legacy, then went full speed in MW3 (which was as atmospheric sound-wise as they get). Before that... I guess whoever was in charge didn't care too much.




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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:37 AM

View PostOrzorn, on 02 October 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

Its still the best damn intro that any of the games have had. It oozes awesomesauce.

Great with fries.


Mechwarrior 2 Mercs is better

:lol:



Edited by mwhighlander, 11 October 2012 - 07:39 AM.


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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:42 AM

Haha, I don't know about all that. I do remember how EPIC this cutscene was for the time. I thought it was so awesome and the graphics were so amazing. Now a days, it's a little cheesy but I still get those good nostalgia vibes from it. :-)

View PostStormwolf, on 11 October 2012 - 07:30 AM, said:





Dude, 2 LPLAS, 2 MPLAS, and 2 LRM20 on a what, 65 ton mech? I don't think MWO would even allow you a build like that o_O I might be wrong though. Still, DFA for the win! Not like a, what 100 ton, Kodiak needs to DFA . . .

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Posted 11 October 2012 - 07:55 AM

Mech 2 is still the standard for mech games. And already MWO has a million times more customization than that butchered garbage MS gave us.

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:46 AM

The contraction thing is one of those many quirks to understand you must understand their roots. The clans are also full of symbolisms which make these quirks even stranger without understanding allot of the in-depth BattleTech fluff. The people of the clans are built from the people of the Star League Defense Force who were loyal to General Aleksander Kerensky. And they respect and honor the Star League with great reverence and it was who they were and what they came from. The common language of the Star League was known as “Star League Standard English”. Unfortunately I do not remember the source, but I will try to remember how the story goes with contractions; An InnerSphere bondsman was asking his bondholder why everyone cringed and glared at him with looks of disgusts when he would talk, and his bondholder explained to him that it was his use of contractions that was causing these responses. He went on to explain that in the clans they greatly revere the Star League and everything about it, including the language (Star League Standard English). And that they look upon contractions as “butchering up the language as the houses did to the remnants of the Star League and Inner Sphere”.
So it is a respect to their heritage at the same time a representation of how they detest the way the house lords went to war destroying the Inner Sphere. It is best to think of it like this: In clan society it is not so much as that you can not say contractions as you should not say them, it is similar to the Christion taboo of “taking the lords name in vain”, while forbidden it still slips out now and then during times of distress.
Now at the time of the Refusal War there were many buzzwords that could easily resemble contractions but these words were created to convey the most meaning with little effort, which can be very effective in times of battle. Plus there is the fact that society always strays from its original values and goals, and clan society was about 250 years old at the time of the refusal war.
So is it a goof? Honestly I lean towards Activision making a goof with the intro, as Activision did pay attention to allot of the other little details here and there to the game and seemed to do their best to strive for canonicity the best they could. But it is still very controversial given the circumstances as the pilot was in a state of panic. And there is allot of BattleTech material demonstrating a clan warrior doing something they and their society find unethical or taboo ranging from the use of contractions to the use of alcohol and narcotics all the way to battlefield ethics.
I am sure sarna.net has a clan terminology section by now, but I have a nice list of just about every known clan term used at http://www.starleagu...terminology.php. And for allot of you new comers, or those who are interested for more information upon the clans you may want to look at http://www.starleagu...outtheclans.php, all but the bottom sections like Zellbrigen, Grand Melee, ToP, and Enhancing the Clan experience pertain to cannon information upon the clans. And for you new guys: NO! “Har Jel” is not some fancy 31’s century hair styling gel in which clanners achieve their stylish good looks with. HarJel is found on one of Clan Diamond Shark’s worlds, it is in a gel-like state until it is electrified then it hardens. It is used, control an Elemental’s bleeding wound, and even sealing back up gaping holes in their armor suits. It is also used on other units such as space vessels and underwater vessels to quickly seal up hull breaches.

The Insignias on the TimberWolves have alwayse puzzled me from the beginning, I also thought there were some sub-faction logo (Galaxy, Trinary, Star, ect). As the Timberwolf on the box-art of MW2:31CC had the 4’th Sriker Cluster insignia on the missile rack, which was a cluster in Clan Wolf, so they got it spot-on there.
Even more puzzling, the pilot of the first TW you see in the intro was referred to as “trainee” and “cadet” by the pilot of the other TW that was dropping all the C-bombs. As a cadet you are allowed to wear a uniform with the clan’s colors on it but not the clans insignia, as the same with the battlemechs the trainees and cadets use. After learning more of the official BattleTech storyline, Clan Jade Falcon had an accelerated training program during the Trial of Refusal in which they plopped cadets into a BattleMech and had them fighting in battles against Clan Wolf for their initial Trial of Position achieving their entry rank based upon their performance in battle. So it is very likely that the pilots of these two TimberWolves could have been members of Clan Jade Falcon and not some merc group.


But all in all I still remember when I was a kid spending what seemed to be hours starting at the box art to MW2:31CC in the store, not knowing much about MechWarrior, let alone BattleTech. I had it on my christmas list that year and I remember getting it and installing it and being blown away by the intro video, and it just wouldn’t stop blowing me away I made my first drop and the first thing I hear is the Mechs computer start talking to me giving me stats “Planet Colmar. Ambient temperature 34.65 degrees. Local time is 01-34-16 GST. All systems nominal”, and it continued talking giving damage info and mission status updates throughout the drop. And then there was the factor of controlling a giant robot blowing the {Scrap} out of things, which is on an coolness factor of all its own measuring somewhere in the 60 to 50 Mega Fonzies range.

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:16 AM

View PostNova2, on 19 January 2014 - 01:46 AM, said:

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Well i always thought that the Timberwolves were of Clan Wolf: They are iconic Wolf 'Mechs while the Summoner is an iconic Falcon 'Mech..

My opinion is they just put on the TW an original generic logo so the player would not be influentiated in his Clan choice. Who knows? I would like to ask to the original video artist.

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 12:29 PM

The only thing I found funny in the MW2 intro was the damaged Timber Wolf.

"His Gauss is coming! His Gauss is coming!" Five seconds later, *BOOM!!!* I don't know why, but that part always cracked me up as a kid.

Edited by Will9761, 19 January 2014 - 12:31 PM.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:25 PM

View PostWill9761, on 19 January 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

The only thing I found funny in the MW2 intro was the damaged Timber Wolf.

"His Gauss is coming! His Gauss is coming!" Five seconds later, *BOOM!!!* I don't know why, but that part always cracked me up as a kid.

Did he not say "He's got a lock on me?" ;)

Or maybe you were just parafrasing the situation? ;)

The whole intro is great. My favourite parts are the beginning, when you see the first TW stomp in the dark canyon like a boss, with that unknown logo on its side, and the moment when he detects the jumping Summoner and oneshots it. Well, i also love when he turns to face the second Summoner and fires his mighty machine guns :P

Weird and hilarious, but dark and cool at same time.

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 01:31 PM

View Post1ceTr0n, on 01 October 2012 - 11:18 PM, said:

Wow, some of you guys take this WAY too serious...

Maybe you don't take it seriously enough...

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 02:15 PM

View PostCyclonerM, on 19 January 2014 - 01:25 PM, said:

Did he not say "He's got a lock on me?" ;)

Or maybe you were just parafrasing the situation? ;)

The whole intro is great. My favourite parts are the beginning, when you see the first TW stomp in the dark canyon like a boss, with that unknown logo on its side, and the moment when he detects the jumping Summoner and oneshots it. Well, i also love when he turns to face the second Summoner and fires his mighty machine guns :P

Weird and hilarious, but dark and cool at same time.

When I watched the video, he said his gauss is coming. But yeah, those are some pretty funny moments.

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 03:15 PM

The TimberWolf was originally designed and built by Clan Wolf, but clan merchants did trade and sell these mechs to the other clans. So the clans pretty much had access to what all the other clans designed for equipment, had for resources, and develpoed in technologies. But the TimberWolf is pretty much the “flag-ship” BattleMech of Clan Wolf, not only was it a good design but it also had “Wolf” in its name which was big selling point to pilots in Clan Wolf.
Now interesting enough the Dire Wolf was designed by Clan wolf and manufactured by the Smoke Jaguars, they challenged Clan Wolf to a trial for the right to produce the chassis and the Jaguars won the trial.
If you look into it even their prized genetic materials from their Master Codex have been bartered with and traded between clans.
At the time of the Refusal war I am sure that the merchans of Clan Wolf and Jade Falcon did little commerce with each other, if any. So there would still have been plenty in stockpile for CJF to use at this time.

I did always get the feeling myself from the intro that the two Summoners were CJF and the TimberWolves were CW, despite the unknown insignia on the TimberWolves and no markings on the Summoners. That is another thing often overlooked in the intro, everyone debates the mystery insignia, but nobody seems to question the fact that the two Summoners have no insignia. It is almost like Activision had a good layout and storyboard for an epic intro movie to the game, but the little details were not quite hashed out and hastily thrown in at the last minute. It seems the more you learn about BattleTech the less sense the details in the opening scene makes.
Also the cinematic to the CJF intro shows two TimberWolves with CJF insignias on them guarding the Clan Hall, as well as a TimberWolf in their ending movie. While the Clan Wolf movies show just one TimberWolf in the beginning with a Mad Dog, and the same thing with their ending movie but with just about half the other chassis included in the game. And they all have a camo scheme to them, not a bare metal look like the mechs in the intro.


How much do you want to bet if we did ask the video artists and developers at Activision they would say “Oh that skull insignia, yea... Johnny was doodling on a piece of paper one day and we saw this cool looking skull logo that we just had to add it into the game.”?
It could also be an insignia from something else unrelated to BattleTech, the 90s was the era of easter-eggs in videogames after all. There are a lot of ways you can go with the origins of that insignia but after 20 years if it was an actual insignia from something I would think someone would have found it and pointed it out by now.
The most puzzling thing about it I would have to say is that it only appears on the two TimberWolves in the intro of the game, nowhere else, and is not found anywhere in BattleTech. Not to mention what is with the black stripe on the paint-job under the insignia? The TimberWolves appear to have more of a paint-job than the summoners which look more or less bare-metal. To me the black stripe almost gives it more of a pirate feel than a mercenary feel to the logo. And Mechs seen in the movies later on have camo scemes to them.


While I admit even on the original video the audio is not the best clarity, I always made out "It's got a lock on me! It's got a lock on me!". As for being a shot from a gauss rifle, no. You can tell that it is a hazy slow disappating smoke trail from a missile, not a fast appearing and disappearing vapor-trail from a gauss, and the vapor trails to gauss shots weren't added in until MW3 and later.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:20 AM

View PostNova2, on 19 January 2014 - 03:15 PM, said:

While I admit even on the original video the audio is not the best clarity, I always made out "It's got a lock on me! It's got a lock on me!". As for being a shot from a gauss rifle, no. You can tell that it is a hazy slow disappating smoke trail from a missile, not a fast appearing and disappearing vapor-trail from a gauss, and the vapor trails to gauss shots weren't added in until MW3 and later.

May some kind native english speaker please write down the whole radio chats? There are some words i do not get , the audio is not great indeed.

EDIT: Nvm, i found it:
HQ: This is HQ to any available units. We have mechs down at nav gamma. Bravo cadet reports 4 summoners on site. Bandits are hostile; repeat bandits are hostile.
alpha: HQ, this is alpha assault. I'm on my way, bearing 0-2-5.
computer: ETA 34 seconds.
bravo: Alpha assault this is bravo cadet, I've got bandits all over me! G-get down here!
alpha: Sit tight bravo 3, I've got visual.
bravo: Hip actuator's out. Targeting system is damaged, I'm in bad shape.
computer: Enemy detected.
bravo: Behind me, two of'em! Beyond the rise.
alpha: Roger, I've got them.
computer: Targeting.
bravo: It's got a lock on me! It's got a-
computer: Targeting.
computer: Warning, ammunition level critical.
computer: Weapon depleted.
HQ: Alpha assault, this is HQ. What is your situation?

HQ: Alpha assault, this is HQ. What is your situation? Please comply.


If you want my opinion they are not Clan warriors. They throw contractions everywhere, even in a relatively quiet situation. Bravo cadet also sounds too scared to be a true arrogant Clan cadet.


Well i am pretty sure it is a Gauss rifle.. A single missile cannot destroy a fresh 'Mech in one shot, not even a Thunderbolt!

Edited by CyclonerM, 20 January 2014 - 05:27 AM.






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