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#21 Stormwolf

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:13 PM

View PostCoffiNail, on 14 March 2012 - 09:26 AM, said:

Wrong. It is Phelan Kell's DI computer that IDs it as a Mad Cat. Because it is not sure which chassis it is. Focht just reviewed the data and went with the name the DI had. Focht was not standing in some base on The Rock to recieve the information then and there. It was transmitted to him.


Ahem, dude it's in the same book:

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Focht smiled indulgently. "Aside from the data being unique, the fact that it was broadcast is remarkable. Each 'Mech has a battle recorder that keeps track of everything from sensor inputs to a complete diagnostics record for the 'Mech. After a battle, providing the recorder remains intact, the action may be reviewed. When plugged into a simulator, for example, pilots can see exactly what happened in the battle, including all their monitors and instruments."
The Precentor Martial pressed his hands together. "Kell's broadcast was a desperate move, because sending the data out on such a widebeam meant his enemies as well as his friends could get it. Granted the transmission quality was bad, but that is more due to the electromagnetic properties of Sisyphus's Lament than any problem with the equipment at that point."
Something dreadful tugged at the corners of her consciousness, but the Primus could not identify it. "So, Morgan Kell's whelp does not have his father's nerves of steel and panicked ..."
Focht raised a hand to stop her. "Phelan may not be his fattier, but that battle tape shows no lack of nerve. He identified the forces he faced as unusual in the extreme, and realized he would not escape that encounter. His broadcast was a message from the dead—a warning to those who survived."
The Precentor Martial clapped his hands once. "Computer, project the holographic reconstruction of the primary BattleMech from the Kell tape, clarified and at one-tenth scale."
In silent compliance, the computer materialized a holographic image of the Catapult/Marauder ******* that had broken the Locust and destroyed Phelan Kell's Wolfhound. Even at only a meter in height, the machine's image retained all its menace. It feels so malevolent. A shiver ran down Myndo's spine and she fought to keep revulsion from her face.
The Precentor Martial, however, was not looking in her direction. He slowly circled the projection like a wolf stalking prey, his gaze flicking from point to point seeking out flaws in the design. When he found none, a smile crept onto his lips and he nodded with admiration and respect.
"Primus, I have taken to calling this model the Mad Cat. As with the Catapult 'Mech, the machine boasts two longrange missile pods, one on each side of the forward-thrust torso. It walks on bird's legs, which gives it a hopping-bobbing gait, though this pilot seems to have been able to conquer that tendency. Quite an achievement, with the low gravity on the asteroid. In addition to the standard Catapult features, two Marauder-type weapons pods have been added. They have large lasers over medium lasers. Two more medium lasers, one on each side of the torso and two machine guns mounted in the center torso, round out the weapons selection. Yes, a most impressive machine."


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Posted 14 March 2012 - 12:20 PM

imagine if they did put in the maurader, and when the clans invaded, our targeting computers would bounce from "Designation MAD..CAT...MAD...CAT"

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 07:00 PM

View PostStormwolf, on 14 March 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:


Ahem, dude it's in the same book:

Yeah it is but it is Phelan's Computer that identifies the Mad Cat, not Focht. Focht just because he says "Primus, I have taken to calling this model the Mad Cat." means nothing it was Phelan Kell's DI Comp that IDs it as the Mad Cat. Focht just brings the term forward.

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Posted 14 March 2012 - 10:59 PM

CoffiNail is wrong here; Phelan (and/or his battle computer) actually never came up with a name for the thing, since he was too worried about trying to bring it down (and then figuring out why he couldn't). Focht was the one that actually came up with the term Mad Cat. As far as the other 'Mechs go, here's a list of Clan names and IS designations (pulled out of one of my MechWarrior books), with the origins of the IS designations in those cases where I know them

Clan - IS
Adder - Puma. Named due to the fierce bite produced by its dual ER PPCs, allowing to take down prey much larger than itself
Bane - Kraken
Back Python - Viper. While I haven't seen any canon material explaining this name, it's easy to figure out by looking at the configuration; it is very quick and packs an extremely accurate close-range bite.
Conjurer - Hellhound
Dire Wolf - Daishi. Translated as Great Death, a name given it by the Yakuza on Edo due to its massive firepower
Ebon Jaguar - Cauldron-Born. Named after the nigh-invincible zombies of Irish myth, due to its unusually heavy armor protection
Executioner - Gladiator.
Fire Moth - Dasher. It got this name for obvious reasons - its MASC gives it extreme speed in short bursts
Gargoyle - Man O'War. It got this name simply because of its overall effectiveness on the battlefield
Glass Spider - Galahad
Hellbringer - Loki. Named by Jerrard Cranston after the Norse god of trickery for its "utterly mad configuration"
Horned Owl - Peregrine
Howler - Baboon
Ice Ferret - Fenris. Technically, this should be Fenrir - named after the giant wolf of Norse lore, said to be the harbinger of Ragnarok. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything explaining exactly why the 'Mech got that name, though.
Incubus - Vixen
Kit Fox - Uller. This 'Mech was named after the Norse god of archery, due to its long-range configuration
Mad Dog - Vulture or Hagetaka. As stated by others, it got this name due to the tactics used by its pilots: watching for weakened targets (or using its LRMs to make them), and swiftly destroying them with its pulse lasers
Mist Linx - Koshi. Translating as "little death", this name is rather appropriate for the well-armed 'Mech
Huntsman - Nobori-nin. This 'Mech got its name (Banner-bearer) due to the projection on its back
Nova - Black Hawk
Stone Rhino - Behemoth. As said above, it got this name because it was based off of Amaris's original Behemoth design - the name just stuck among the Inner Sphere
Stormcrow - Ryoken
Summoner - Thor. As stated earlier, Victor Steiner-Davion gave it this name because it wields thunder in one hand, lightning in the other.
Timber Wolf - Mad Cat. As has already been thoroughly explained, it got this name because it resembled the ******* child of a Marauder and a Catapult.
Vapor Eagle - Goshawk
Viper - Dragonfly. The Viper got its IS designation because of its ability to swiftly flit all over the battlefield
Warhawk - Masakari. The name translates as "axe", and it's easy to see why this very powerful 'Mech got that name

Edited by GDL Irishwarrior, 17 March 2012 - 02:57 PM.


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Posted 15 March 2012 - 03:35 AM

View PostMaddKatter, on 14 March 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

is the madcat going to be in mwo?


Of course not. They'll only implement the important clan mechs, like the Piranha, Tresher or Vixen. :D

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 06:54 AM

View PostNamwons, on 14 March 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:

imagine if they did put in the maurader, and when the clans invaded, our targeting computers would bounce from "Designation MAD..CAT...MAD...CAT"

I would swear myself a Piranha fan forever if I saw that little detail.

View PostGDL Irishwarrior, on 14 March 2012 - 10:59 PM, said:

Ice Ferret - Fenris. Technically, this should be Fenrir - named after the giant wolf of Norse lore, said to be the harbinger of Ragnarok. Unfortunately, I haven't seen anything explaining exactly why the 'Mech got that name, though.

They're both right - Fenris and Fenrir don't mean precisely the same thing, but they're alternate names for the god in question. Fenrir means "the fen-dweller", while Fenris is a contraction of Fenrisulf (the fen wolf).That's how Norse works, it's a wonderful language for poetry because any one word or concept might have half a dozen different metaphors you can use: "ship" might appear as saegenga ("sea goer"), or merehus ("sea house") or ythmearh ("wave horse").

I'd guess it got its name from Lyran troops fighting Clan Wolf - the primary configuration has a Beagle Probe, so it was probably used to hunt down hidden units.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 10:36 AM

View PostCoffiNail, on 14 March 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Yeah it is but it is Phelan's Computer that identifies the Mad Cat, not Focht. Focht just because he says "Primus, I have taken to calling this model the Mad Cat." means nothing it was Phelan Kell's DI Comp that IDs it as the Mad Cat. Focht just brings the term forward.


Here's the part from Lethal Heritage:

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Phelan frowned heavily as the computer sharpened and tried to label the image of the new 'Mech. Confused, the computer identified the 'Mech first as a Catapult, then almost immediately reclassified it as a Marauder. It's got that hunched-over torso with the bird legs common to both designs, all right. And it's got the Catapult's wing-mounted LRM launchers, but it also has the Marauder's weapon pods. And I've never seen that flat gray color scheme before, either. Who and what the hell is it?


There is also a part that concerns two Hellbringers


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Opposite Tang's position, two more strange-looking 'Mechs entered the battlefield. Phelan's computer again vacillated in assigning a label to the new machines. It's calling them Warhammers because of the chassis type, but the addition of Marauder-type arms instead of the particle projection cannons is giving it fits. Both 'Mechs moved in on the trapped Rifleman.


The computer never calls it Mad Cat, it can only reclassify what it sees. Otherwise we would have also had Hellbringers named Mad Wars or War Mads.

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:17 PM

Anyone argueing that Focht came up with the Mad Cat name is correct. After reading these books about half a dozen times in the last 20 or so years I think I know who has it correct. Gah I actually sound kinda arrogant. Sorry :P

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:00 PM

not only is there the IS designation, the clan designtions can also change from clan to clan depending on the variant. this is what happens when games switch from owner to owner and allow many different writers to add books to the lore

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:18 PM

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the clan designtions can also change from clan to clan depending on the variant. this is what happens when games switch from owner to owner and allow many different writers to add books to the lore


Or is it just what happens when the same machine is used in two relatively separated societies (normal Clan Warriors normaly wouldn't interact with members of other clans if not one the battlefield, only the Khans would meet in the great conclave) which find different names for it ? It don't see a problem or plothole here.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:21 AM

View Posttrajan331, on 15 March 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Anyone argueing that Focht came up with the Mad Cat name is correct. After reading these books about half a dozen times in the last 20 or so years I think I know who has it correct. Gah I actually sound kinda arrogant. Sorry ;)

Yes, you sound very arrogant.

No Focht did not come up with the term, Phelan Kell's DI Computer came up with the term, Focht just ran with it. He did NOT make it up though, he decided to use the name the DI Computer gave. Phelan's capture happened before Focht decided to tell Waterly that he was calling this new mech a Mad Cat, DUE to reviewing Phelan Kell's Battlerom of the battle and seeing the Wolfhounds Computer labeled it as a Mad Cat

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 09:50 AM

Mixture of a marauder and a catapult "Mad Cat". Completely baffled IS for a while, something with more firepower than a Marauder yet incredibly faster

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 10:35 AM

View PostCoffiNail, on 17 March 2012 - 05:21 AM, said:

Yes, you sound very arrogant.

No Focht did not come up with the term, Phelan Kell's DI Computer came up with the term, Focht just ran with it. He did NOT make it up though, he decided to use the name the DI Computer gave. Phelan's capture happened before Focht decided to tell Waterly that he was calling this new mech a Mad Cat, DUE to reviewing Phelan Kell's Battlerom of the battle and seeing the Wolfhounds Computer labeled it as a Mad Cat


He saw the battlerom, but the computer never labeled it as Mad Cat, I posted the part from the book in my previous post.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 05:58 PM

Stormwolf is again correct. He did post the passage. The passage is correct. In the chapter in which Phelan first encounters the clans in no where in that passage did he refer to Vlads mech as a Mad Cat. I will retype it if I have to but, not until then. I even followed up to see if he refered to it as a Mad Cat in the chapter in which he first met Ulric. No, not there. Nothing from either passage states that the computer came up with this designation. Not apologizing for being arrogant this time but, I have to back up Stormwolf on this.

Edited by trajan331, 18 March 2012 - 06:00 PM.


#35 Calon Farstar

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:47 PM

I allways figured that the first IS warrior to knock one down probably got to name it... I imagine every unit out there would have its own nicknames for each mech type they were fighting.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 02:00 PM

View PostKarel Spaten, on 15 March 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

I would swear myself a Piranha fan forever if I saw that little detail.



ditto. PGI make this happen

#37 Derek Icelord

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:10 AM

Gee, with most of the posts arguing about who coined the name "Mad Cat"...

Should I print up "Team Kell" and "Team Focht" shirts? I could probably retire off that :D

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:24 AM

Nahh I brought the question to the Battletech forums, I am on the Focht side now due to the explanations.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:48 AM

You are all wrong, it was Fredrick Steiner! :D

From Sarna.net on Asastaius Focht in "Notes":
  • It was he who named the Timber Wolf "Mad Cat" after he studied the battle footage of Phelan's encounter with Clan Wolf. He also pointed out that it would be impossible for ComStar to replicate the 'Mech when Myndo Waterly suggested that their armorers modify their Catapults to that configuration.
http://www.sarna.net...nastasius_Focht

That, and after rereading both passages in the book Phelan's computer was going schitzo and and having trouble identifying the mech, but at no point did he or his computer give it a name. That happened in the scene mentioned above ala Focht (erm... I mean Fredrick). If I recall correctly Phelen even goes on to use the mech's Clan name exclusively (Timber Wolf) at later points in the books.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 04:55 AM

Actually it was me. I'm Michael Stackpole in disguise. :D





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