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[Odanan]

HeroForHire, on 14 February 2014 - 01:54 AM, said:

Jade Falcon warriors normally piloting Summoners, Hellbringers, and Kit Foxes; Ghost Bears in Firemoths, Executioners, Grizzlies, and Kodiaks; Clan Wolf favoring Timber Wolves and Dire Wolves, for example.

Clan Wolf favors the Gargoyle, the Warhawk and the Ice Ferret too.

Smoke Jaguar favors the Direwolf, the Stormcrow, and the Mist Lynx.

[a gaijin]

Odanan, on 14 February 2014 - 03:47 AM, said:

Clan Wolf favors the Gargoyle, the Warhawk and the Ice Ferret too.

Smoke Jaguar favors the Direwolf, the Stormcrow, and the Mist Lynx.

I was just providing a short list as an example. Thanks for fleshing it out a bit

[Odanan]

Well, let's do this right. Assignment tables for the 4 starting Clans, 3050:

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Wolf

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Smoke Jaguar

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Ghost Bear

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Jade Falcon

Edited by Odanan, 14 February 2014 - 04:38 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

Odanan, on 14 February 2014 - 04:35 AM, said:

Well, let's do this right. Assignment tables for the 4 starting Clans, 3050:

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Wolf

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Smoke Jaguar

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Ghost Bear

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Jade Falcon

I am sorry, but your charts just do not add up... in just about every way.

Clan Wolf Assaults:

Warhawk A - 10

Warhawk B - 10

Warhawk C - 5

Warhawk - 24?

And how is that greater than the Gargoyle's 215? I mean:

1-215 Gargoyle 215%

902-925 Warhawk 24%

What does this even mean?

Edited by Nathan K, 14 February 2014 - 07:40 AM.

[Odanan]

Nathan K, on 14 February 2014 - 07:39 AM, said:

I am sorry, but your charts just do not add up... in just about every way.

Clan Wolf Assaults:

Warhawk A - 10

Warhawk B - 10

Warhawk C - 5

Warhawk - 24?

And how is that greater than the Gargoyle's 215? I mean:

1-215 Gargoyle 215%

902-925 Warhawk 24%

What does this even mean?

It means for the Clan Wolf, in 3050, for every 1000 Assault Omnimechs, they have 215 Gargoyles, Primary Configuration. (the "Primary" is missing is the sheets)

Edited by Odanan, 14 February 2014 - 08:11 AM.

[Uncle Totty]

Odanan, on 14 February 2014 - 08:05 AM, said:

It means for the Clan Wolf, in 3050, for every 1000 Assault Omnimechs, they have 215 Gargoyles, Primary Configuration. (the "Primary" is missing is the sheets)

So, out of 1,000 Assault Omni Mechs, only 49 are Warhawks overall. Got it. What this tells me is that the Warhawk is not favored among Clan Wolf.

Edited by Nathan K, 14 February 2014 - 10:30 AM.

[Odanan]

Nathan K, on 14 February 2014 - 09:58 AM, said:

So only 49 Warhawks overall (out of 1,000), got it. What this tells me is that the Warhawk is not favored among Clan Wolf.

Yeah, that surprises me too. I'm compiling the info in one text document for easier visualization, like this:

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Ghost Bear
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Light
- Koshi: 148
- Dasher: 445
- Uller: 110
- Puma: 222

Medium
- Fenris: 139
- Dragonfly: 366
- Black Hawk: 92
- Ryoken: 273

Heavy
- Loki: 154
- Vulture: 463
- Thor: 153
- Mad Cat: 155

Assault
- Man o'War: 250
- Naga: 26
- Kingfisher: 125
- Masakari: 125
- Daishi: 66
- Gladiator: 333

Although the other Clans don't favor the Kingfisher at all, it looks like it is more common than expected.

[Odanan]

Full list:
(an I'm going to off-topic?)
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Ghost Bear
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Light
- Koshi: 148
- Dasher: 445
- Uller: 110
- Puma: 222

Medium
- Fenris: 139
- Dragonfly: 366
- Black Hawk: 92
- Ryoken: 273

Heavy
- Loki: 154
- Vulture: 463
- Thor: 153
- Mad Cat: 155

Assault
- Man o'War: 250
- Naga: 26
- Kingfisher: 125
- Masakari: 125
- Daishi: 66
- Gladiator: 333

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Smoke Jaguar
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Light
- Koshi: 396
- Dasher: 99
- Hankyu: 132
- Uller: 100
- Puma: 198

Medium
- Fenris: 110
- Dragonfly: 110
- Black Hawk: 73
- Ryoken: 441
- Shadow Cat: 147

Heavy
- Loki: 171
- Cauldron Born: 70
- Vulture: 341
- Thor: 171
- Mad Cat: 172

Assault
- Man o'War: 202
- Naga: 19
- Kingfisher: 100
- Masakari: 269
- Daishi: 268
- Gladiator: 67

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Jade Falcon
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Light
- Koshi: 112
- Dasher: 84
- Uller: 477
- Puma: 168

Medium
- Fenris: 183
- Dragonfly: 183
- Black Hawk: 110
- Ryoken: 364

Heavy
- Loki: 265
- Vulture: 180
- Thor: 360
- Mad Cat: 120

Assault
- Man o'War: 476
- Masakari: 60
- Daishi: 90
- Gladiator: 240

-----------
Clan Wolf
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Light
- Koshi: 206
- Dasher: 155
- Uller: 154
- Puma: 410

Medium
- Fenris: 290
- Dragonfly: 144
- Black Hawk: 145
- Ryoken: 288

Heavy
- Loki: 102
- Vulture: 155
- Thor: 103
- Mad Cat: 565

Assault
- Man o'War: 479
- Naga: 97
- Masakari: 49
- Daishi: 180
- Gladiator: 120

Edited by Odanan, 22 February 2014 - 04:59 AM.

[Strum Wealh]

An interjection:

I was able to get the Phoenix Mechs' original colorings from the MWO Facebook page, and have thusly updated the opening post.

Still, does anyone have links to the original concept art for the Clan 'Mechs (that is, not the orange/gray/green Clan Pack colors or a player repaint, but the original art that was on the Clan pack page when it was first released)?

[a gaijin]

Odanan, on 14 February 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

{Inner Sphere mech names}

Why are you not calling them by their proper Clan names? In all honesty, except for "Vulture" all the IS names for mechs... suck.

[Odanan]

HeroForHire, on 18 February 2014 - 04:18 PM, said:

Why are you not calling them by their proper Clan names? In all honesty, except for "Vulture" all the IS names for mechs... suck.

Ahhh come on! I really try to use the Clan names (after all, the real names), but the IS names are much cooler.

[Uncle Totty]

Odanan, on 18 February 2014 - 05:43 PM, said:

Ahhh come on! I really try to use the Clan names (after all, the real names), but the IS names are much cooler.

Read my sig.

[a gaijin]

Odanan, on 18 February 2014 - 05:43 PM, said:

Ahhh come on! I really try to use the Clan names (after all, the real names), but the IS names are much cooler.

Some of the "Japanese" names such as "Daishi" aren't even real Japanese. Every time I've asked a Japanese person here in Japan what "Daishi" means they're like "What language is that? It's not Japanese. All you silly round-eye people always making up words " (yes, I've really been told that).

No, the I.S. names are not cooler at all. Honest to God the only I.S. name that's even close to better is "Vulture."
The rest if the I.S. names for Clan mechs are, unfortunately, lame.

I can't wait for the Clan mechs to be released. I'm tired of running around in these slow, heat-inefficient Inner Sphere scrap heaps

[Tyrnea Smurf]

OK here is what I found on a google search of "Daishi", discounting the battletech reference returns.


http://www.answers.com/topic/daishi-1
Oxford Dictionary of Buddhism: daishi
Home > Library > Religion & Spirituality > Buddhism Dictionary
(Japanese). In Japanese Buddhism, an honorific, usually granted posthumously, meaning ‘great master’.


http://en.wikipedia....wiki/K%C5%ABkai
Kūkai (空海), also known posthumously as Kōbō-Daishi (弘法大師 The Grand Master Who Propagated the Buddhist Teaching?), 774–835, was a Japanese monk, civil servant, scholar, poet, and artist, founder of the Shingon or "True Word" school of Buddhism. Shingon followers usually refer to him by the honorific titles of O-Daishi-sama (お大師様?) and Henjō-Kongō (遍照金剛?).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daishi
21014 Daishi (1988 TS1) is a main-belt asteroid discovered on October 13, 1988 by T. Seki at Geisei.


http://www.encyclope...101-Daishi.html
Daishi
The Concise Oxford Dictionary of World Religions | 1997 | JOHN BOWKER | 139 words | Copyright
Daishi ({Capellan}., ‘great master’). Buddhist title of respect for a buddha or high official. It is used especially of Kūkai.


From what I found its most certainly a Japanese word, and not some bullhocky from "round-eyed" people making it up as we go along.

[Bagheera]

Tyrnea Smurf, on 19 February 2014 - 12:27 AM, said:

<Knowledge>

Thank you for saving me the trouble, I probably would have made some sarcastic remark about it too. Your way was much better.

[Odanan]

Well, we don't know what will be the Japanese in 1000 years...

[Damocles]

Also, many people mispronounce it as "dashie"

http://www.pronounce...i_pronunciation

Edited by Damocles, 20 February 2014 - 10:28 AM.

[Bagheera]

Damocles, on 20 February 2014 - 10:27 AM, said:

Also, many people mispronounce it as &quot;dashie&quot;

http://www.pronounce...i_pronunciation

I thought I'd give the benefit of the doubt on that one, but yeah that used to dive me crazy when I heard someone say "dashy" instead of "dah-i-shi"

Edited by Bagheera, 20 February 2014 - 11:18 AM.

[5th Fedcom Rat]

Odanan, on 14 February 2014 - 04:35 AM, said:

Well, let's do this right. Assignment tables for the 4 starting Clans, 3050:

Spoiler

Wolf

Spoiler

Smoke Jaguar

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Ghost Bear

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Jade Falcon

These are very interesting... where are they taken from (original source) may I ask?

It looks pretty darn consistent with my understanding of Clan mech distribution, albeit with a couple of eyebrow raisers like how popular the Stormcrow is among all the Clans (especially Wolf) and the prevalence of the Gaygoyle and Gladiator over the Warhawk in the Jade Falcon table. Warhawk was supposed to be distributed thinly but evenly throughout the Clans, but used most by the JFs so not sure why their usage seems so low.

Edited by 5th Fedcom Rat, 20 February 2014 - 11:42 AM.

[Odanan]

Some of this info comes from Strategic Operations, pp. 328-335, and some was compiled by a member of the MUL team. These tables are based on official sources but not official themselves.

See more here.